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[trish]

yeehaa yipee lets get rid of all the drug cheats and cheer the stewards for cleaning the industry up. by the way they are going we will be left with a bunch of losing trainers and punters that go to a pub on afternoon or evening having a bet . who the hell wants to back a bunch of whinging losing trainers or a bunch of trolls jealous on others success. they risk life and limb to get the success. the trots are the red hots. the good old saying goes if ya cant beat em join em. why would i want to feed losing trainers? or harbour them for that matter? they keep the industry running 1. product , 2. winners for the punters, 3. returns for the owners, 4. a good image for outsiders looking in.

for christ sake look at it from a punters perspective they want to back winners and not people they havent heard of that rarely get winners, let alone they safety issues to all the whingers that are bagging all the trainers and industry. lets face the facts whingers dont have a go or are not good enough and want the competition gone so they can take over. it doesnt work like that. horses are expensive to keep in training & and returns with losing trainers , well thats a no brainer - why should people spend their hard earned on losers? losers should just go and find another hobby, and it will be cheaper for the people that spend money on horses for losers to waste. p.s - if i still owned horses id want my horses running places and not winning so they didnt get up in grades, so it would be a pleasure for cheats to keep winning so my horses racing life would be preserved.

Gee Dougie . If you take the cheating out you still get winners , and winners in every race . Fact is that form may even stand up . So are you saying you don't mind trainers being cruel ?

[Greg Hando]

yeehaa yipee lets get rid of all the drug cheats and cheer the stewards for cleaning the industry up. by the way they are going we will be left with a bunch of losing trainers and punters that go to a pub on afternoon or evening having a bet . who the hell wants to back a bunch of whinging losing trainers or a bunch of trolls jealous on others success. they risk life and limb to get the success. the trots are the red hots. the good old saying goes if ya cant beat em join em. why would i want to feed losing trainers? or harbour them for that matter? they keep the industry running 1. product , 2. winners for the punters, 3. returns for the owners, 4. a good image for outsiders looking in.

for christ sake look at it from a punters perspective they want to back winners and not people they havent heard of that rarely get winners, let alone they safety issues to all the whingers that are bagging all the trainers and industry. lets face the facts whingers dont have a go or are not good enough and want the competition gone so they can take over. it doesnt work like that. horses are expensive to keep in training & and returns with losing trainers , well thats a no brainer - why should people spend their hard earned on losers? losers should just go and find another hobby, and it will be cheaper for the people that spend money on horses for losers to waste. p.s - if i still owned horses id want my horses running places and not winning so they didnt get up in grades, so it would be a pleasure for cheats to keep winning so my horses racing life would be preserved.

These losers as you say keep the game going and we get rid of the supposed good trainers with pos swabs then it evens up the playing field and those co called losers will win races perhaps you should be the one leaving the game instead of having a go at the battlers that keep our game afloat.

[cityboy]

good suggestion, as for leaving the game yes i left the game in 2010 and been doing it on and off since year 2000, just looking expressions of interest on what sort of work is out there, my findings are there isnt any money for trainers to be paying staff unless you a massive stable then they would work the c$%^&& out of you 6-7 days a week for the minimum wage so i havent been persuaded to make a return. as for trainers being left after all the (cheaters) being outed , i dont know hwre the horses are going to come from as as far as the owners i know wouldnt support other trainers but would just give the game away. the only possibility would be breeders having no option but to send their horses to trainers on deals. its to strengthening the industry its weakening. remember the days of going to the trots to follow the money a get a tip, or someone buying a horse a getting a thrill out of winning? now its more of a prizemoney sport and people arnt prepared to risk money , its too precious to invest in whats left.

[Messenger]

good suggestion, as for leaving the game yes i left the game in 2010 and been doing it on and off since year 2000, just looking expressions of interest on what sort of work is out there, my findings are there isnt any money for trainers to be paying staff unless you a massive stable then they would work the c$%^&& out of you 6-7 days a week for the minimum wage so i havent been persuaded to make a return. as for trainers being left after all the (cheaters) being outed , i dont know hwre the horses are going to come from as as far as the owners i know wouldnt support other trainers but would just give the game away. the only possibility would be breeders having no option but to send their horses to trainers on deals. its to strengthening the industry its weakening. remember the days of going to the trots to follow the money a get a tip, or someone buying a horse a getting a thrill out of winning? now its more of a prizemoney sport and people arnt prepared to risk money , its too precious to invest in whats left.

I am not sure you are putting enough thought into some of these post Dougie.
Do you think the emboldened part has changed?!

I understand that there may be less people prepared to take the risk of buying a horse but what does "its too precious to invest in whats left" mean?

[trish]

I don't think Harness gets much newspaper attention, but I did read somewhere that it is harmful and can kill horses in some circumstances. I'm not sure at what level this would occur. IMO its nasty stuff. But so is Meth, so is EPO, so is electrocution & the same question could be asked. I wonder if any case has ever been forwarded to the RSPCA before ?

[cityboy]

people take epo for most of their lives to keep healthy ,as for meth, i wouldnt think trainers would give their horses more than one dose before it races (once a week). iv seen people take meth most days for years i suppose you guys should be giving them some sort of attention. i so i wouldn't think its all that abusive compared to what has gone on in the past. all the trainers are doing is raising hemoglobin levels for them to have more endurance.

[trish]

people take epo for most of their lives to keep healthy ,as for meth, i wouldnt think trainers would give their horses more than one dose before it races (once a week). iv seen people take meth most days for years i suppose you guys should be giving them some sort of attention. i so i wouldn't think its all that abusive compared to what has gone on in the past. all the trainers are doing is raising hemoglobin levels for them to have more endurance.

For starters Dougie , people who take EPO have depleted bloods levels and are not healthy . Giving it to a healthy , normal body is dangerous . No ifs no buts .
Meth doesn't do anything for haemoglobin levels but it does kill people every year , Is that ok is it ?

[cityboy]

not saying epo is cruelty, people that give horses meth are just butcher trainers, though punters want to see trainers regularly getting winners , if these trainers where outed you will be left with a bunch that share the winners round and opens up other forms of `race fixing` or `honestly bad drives from time to time . if they where smart you wouldnt need drugs to fix a race just trust from the happy family that would be left. = a new bunch to whinge about

[aussiebreno]

George,

If you do land a job as a foreman will you take it onto yourself to drug the horses up? Will you knock back jobs at honest stables? I wouldn't have thought someone with A grade trainers aspirations should be advocating cheating.

[cityboy]

George,

If you do land a job as a foreman will you take it onto yourself to drug the horses up? Will you knock back jobs at honest stables? I wouldn't have thought someone with A grade trainers aspirations should be advocating cheating.

MY ARGUMENT IS NOT ABOUT `DRUGGING` IN PARTICULAR BUT `CHEATS` I FOR ONE AS ABOVE MENTIONED IF I WAS AN OWNER I WOULDNT MIND RUNNING PLACINGS TO CHEATS AS IT WOULD PRESERVE THE HORSES PRIZEMONEY EARNINGS (EXCEPT FOR 2 & 3YO) IN THOSE CASES ON MOST CIRCUMSTANCES YOU WOULD NEED A EXCEPTION HORSE ANYWAY. I PERSONALLY WOULDNT DRUG MY HORSES BECAUSE OF THE SEVERE PENALTIES IN PLACE THOUGH I UNDERSTAND IF OTHER TRAINERS DID. THOUGH NOT TALKING MYSELF UP THOUGH IVE SEEN A LOT OF GOOD TRAINERS AND A LOT OF BAD TRAINERS, AND THERES NOT MUCH PROFIT TO BE MADE ITS JUST THE SPORT I WAS COMPETITIVE AT. I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL OUTSIDE JOBS AND I CANT ESCAPE THE b%$#T THAT GOES ON TURNING FULLTIME TO CASUAL JOBS, WHINGING SO OTHERS CAN GET THE SHIFTS ETC - ITS NEVER ENDING.