cobalt

[Pena]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...squalification

I wonder who wrote this???

[The Form Student]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia...squalification

I wonder who wrote this???

It was issued by the HRNSW stewards?

It seems that the stewards, have got someone that has not totally exceeded the TCO2 levels, on other charges to assist with their case, tubing close to a race within 48 hours, unlicensed persons administering the TCO2, and not maintain proper treatment records! (well!......no records)............but not for exceeding the thresholds! This is interesting.

The stewards are leaving open the findings, and don't really care whether the trainer or someone else the trainer engaged, to stomach tube the horses within 48 hours of the race? I am not sure they have the evidence to prove who it was, or also whether they can prove they were tubed within 48 hours of the race! I don't know the answer to the question, that if you tube a horse within 72 hours of a race with TCO2, whether it is still in their system to the levels recorded?

[Pena]

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1....1719/abstract

You have to pay $6 to view the report for 48 hours. The summary does tell you the basics however. A nano gram per ml or ug/ml is the same a microgram per litre.

[Messenger]

I hope NSW are going to continue to be trailblazers in transparency. I dont think we have not had any test results after 1/7/14

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1....1719/abstract

You have to pay $6 to view the report for 48 hours. The summary does tell you the basics however. A nano gram per ml or ug/ml is the same a microgram per litre.

I am more interested in seeing the latest test results Jack

[Race For Fun]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=25104

[Pena]

Ignorance is bliss I suppose Messenger

[teecee]

Who said ignorance is bliss.
A nano gram per ml or ug/ml is the same a microgram per litre.


1000nanograms (ng)= 1 microgram (ug)
1000mls = 1 litre.

[Mister JayKO]

Without going through the figures in a statistical fashion <10 looks the norm.


> 10-15 my observation would be that there is some additive involved


> 20 definitely intervention - not natural


Intrigued to see some consistent stables and "Superstars" in >20 category


Should be concerning for everyone.

[Pena]

Stu, I totally disagree that it is of any concern. There are totally legitimate, totally legal supplements that will give an elevated Cobalt level. HRNSW's own testing that they have produced in court says as much. The question is the withholding period and if you regularly inject your horses with a product like Vam (that is totally legal) you can get elevated results above the 200. HRNSW only did this for 5 days on 5 horses and were able to get above the 200. As I stated in a deleted post as I layed it on a bit thick about the Chief Steward, the HKJC recommend a non race day limit of 2000 so the toxicity of the cobalt is quite frankly just trying to vilify Cobalt and justify the tough stance.
Therefore there is no doubt that it is difficult to get over the 200 level if you treat the horse outside the 24 hour window, however the testing done by HRNSW has only been done for a small sample for a small period of time who really knows what the truth is.

[Race For Fun]

Stu, I totally disagree that it is of any concern. There are totally legitimate, totally legal supplements that will give an elevated Cobalt level. HRNSW's own testing that they have produced in court says as much. The question is the withholding period and if you regularly inject your horses with a product like Vam (that is totally legal) you can get elevated results above the 200. HRNSW only did this for 5 days on 5 horses and were able to get above the 200. As I stated in a deleted post as I layed it on a bit thick about the Chief Steward, the HKJC recommend a non race day limit of 2000 so the toxicity of the cobalt is quite frankly just trying to vilify Cobalt and justify the tough stance.
Therefore there is no doubt that it is difficult to get over the 200 level if you treat the horse outside the 24 hour window, however the testing done by HRNSW has only been done for a small sample for a small period of time who really knows what the truth is.

Lots of treatments are legal it is a matter of when they are given and if recommended dose rates are exceeded, this is where the problem lies. If cobalt does not give a horse a "boost" I am pretty sure people wouldn't be giving horses excess amounts. Hard to say some people are not using more cobalt than other people when many horses levels are <5 compared to others over 20 or 30 and some over 100.

I'm with you Stu.