Master Kiesey 4days racing in a row @ age of 13

[Danno]

Just been reminded by someone that in some places in world..little brown jug, Hambletonian, etc, 3yos have to go 2, sometimes 3, 1.55 or less mile races in space of couple hours.

We used to race them twice a day four days in a row on the east coast show circuit years ago, just to educate them!

I raced a horse ( Caridance) twice in the one night at Taree in the mid eighties...he had his legs taken turning for home in the first one and backed up an hour and a half later and won.

a thrteen year old going around 4 days in a row is not a good look, but I believe in letting the horse show you....if you keep backing him up when he's telling you not to, then your a goose, I remember in those days a bloke around here had an 11 year old pacer on a hard mark, he raced him four days in a row, the horse got better with every run and won on the fourth night.

Let the horse show you and change tack if he/she tells you your on the wrong track, there is no set criteria that suits all horses.

Cheers,

Dan

[djgood]

Dad used to do the same in the late 60`s early 70`s used to follow show circuit horses would race 2 sometimes 3 times in a day then again next day afterwards off to the next show used to go all the way to rockhampton and sell the locals fit read to go horses
when i got my drivers licence he wished the circuit was still going he said thats where you learn to be a good and tough driver

We used to race them twice a day four days in a row on the east coast show circuit years ago, just to educate them!

I raced a horse ( Caridance) twice in the one night at Taree in the mid eighties...he had his legs taken turning for home in the first one and backed up an hour and a half later and won.

a thrteen year old going around 4 days in a row is not a good look, but I believe in letting the horse show you....if you keep backing him up when he's telling you not to, then your a goose, I remember in those days a bloke around here had an 11 year old pacer on a hard mark, he raced him four days in a row, the horse got better with every run and won on the fourth night.

Let the horse show you and change tack if he/she tells you your on the wrong track, there is no set criteria that suits all horses.

Cheers,

Dan

[eliteblood]

During November 1969, Lucky Creed won eight races for the month including three races in five days. In December he won another six races in the space of 15 days.

[broncobrad]

Dad used to do the same in the late 60`s early 70`s used to follow show circuit horses would race 2 sometimes 3 times in a day then again next day afterwards off to the next show used to go all the way to rockhampton and sell the locals fit read to go horses
when i got my drivers licence he wished the circuit was still going he said thats where you learn to be a good and tough driver

David, up further north back in the 70s they used to have 4 or 5 races every Saturday arvo at Charters Towers, most horses raced at least twice. You can imagine how hot it was. That night, you would even find some of those poor horses getting carted back to the Townsville Showgrounds for another start that night. Most of these horses had extremely limited ability, as the old saying went, the further north the horse went the weaker the quality of horse was required. It was usually a Brisbane pacer that would take out the Townsville Cup each year. Back then as a very young bloke I thought it was wrong, the older I have got the more disgusted I am over what I used to see. Racing in Far North Qld is long dead now, but that one dark chapter is one that needed to be closed.


The thread began about Mr Keisey, such a gallant old warhorse, but what the hell does he have to do to find a paddock...turn 26??? History is littered with grand old horses at incredible ages still performing and winning admirably, some becoming immortal for their exploits. These days not so often. He may well be 13 and fulfilling all the ticks from vets and stewards, but when does someone say he is thirteen years old with a wonderful record...lets give him the kudos he deserves and retire him, instead of "how much more blood can we get from a stone". Disgusted!

[Richard prior]

Hi Paul, Still don't agree with racing the horses so often but each to their own. If the guys getting results and the horses are okay and cleared by the vets, Good on him. Some horses seem to thrive on it, I remember a pretty smart mare named Nidya loved backing up after a few days off and often raced twice a week.

[teecee]

RACE 7 - E B COCHRAN TROTTERS CUP (GROUP 2) (2240 MS)
Both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach, which had competed the previous night at Ballarat, were examined by the on-course veterinarian and cleared to start.

Master Kiesey pulled hard during the running when occupying a position on the peg line. Master Kiesey then gave ground inside the final 400m to be beaten 51m. Master Kiesey was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Master Kiesey was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the gelding giving ground over the final stages Master Kiesey was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Apple Beach tired inside the final 400m to be beaten approximately 70m. Apple Beach was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Apple Beach was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the mare giving ground over the final stages Apple Beach was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Brian Kiesey, trainer of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach was advised in future to restrict such nominations and acceptances for horses to races more of their own class. A post-race veterinary examination of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach revealed no abnormalities nor any obvious affects from recent racing.

[Maorisidol]

RACE 7 - E B COCHRAN TROTTERS CUP (GROUP 2) (2240 MS)
Both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach, which had competed the previous night at Ballarat, were examined by the on-course veterinarian and cleared to start.

Master Kiesey pulled hard during the running when occupying a position on the peg line. Master Kiesey then gave ground inside the final 400m to be beaten 51m. Master Kiesey was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Master Kiesey was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the gelding giving ground over the final stages Master Kiesey was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Apple Beach tired inside the final 400m to be beaten approximately 70m. Apple Beach was continued on its last chance to race truly. In arriving at this course of action stewards considered that Apple Beach was racing significantly out of its class, the time recorded for the last half mile (57.3 seconds) and that other than for the mare giving ground over the final stages Apple Beach was not entirely uncompetitive and therefore in the opinion of the stewards did not warrant being stood down given this performance.
Brian Kiesey, trainer of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach was advised in future to restrict such nominations and acceptances for horses to races more of their own class. A post-race veterinary examination of both Master Kiesey and Apple Beach revealed no abnormalities nor any obvious affects from recent racing.

Good thing I think that Trainer was advised not to nominate so far out of class, good thing they did that I reckon,
However,
Why in hell were they accepted and chosen to be put in the race by those who selected the horses in the race?????????????
A T1 against the likes of My High Expectations etc, that's crazy shouldn't have been chosen to be in the race!

[Adaptor]

Well... despite what everyone thinks.....HE WON at Horsham !

[wholelotasound]

Who Cares !!! its a disgrace that he has been racing so much at his grand age. Needs to be a age limit and start limit on race horses. otherwise harness racing will be the next to be targeted for animal cruelty. Imagine how many miles that poor horses legs have done.

[Maorisidol]

Who Cares !!! its a disgrace that he has been racing so much at his grand age. Needs to be a age limit and start limit on race horses. otherwise harness racing will be the next to be targeted for animal cruelty. Imagine how many miles that poor horses legs have done.

I hear where you are coming from Ben, but do you think if the horses legs were that fatigued and if his age was a physical debilitating issue, that that would show in his performances on the track? That doesnt seem to be the case...
Fatigue does not allow a human or an animal to perform a task or a skill at its best.
Fatigue will cause a poor performance and on a racetrack such as the trots, a fatigued horse should run near last every start if it was truly overtrained with its body in a negative state where injuries are rife and crippling.
Master Kiesey seems to be fine and healthy, rather than be fatigued and running last, he won!