Would really like to hear how it could be improved please??
Richard,
I welcome your thread on this topic / subject. Also I would ask everyone with thoughts on same to attend Sunday's 18th of January Owners meeting set down for 1 p/m at Penrith. It is extremely important for the industry to understand and express there views in a professional manner. As such I look forward to following everyone's views as expressed under this thread.
I cannot believe that trainers/owners cannot enter horses for specific races - I would not race under such restrictions. Have I got that right? Whoever pays the horse's bills has to be able to determine its program via his nominated trainer
Greg Sugars was a Champion harness racing person
The last race at Newcastle tomorrow is probably a good example of owner and trainers frustration with the system. In an effort to make up a race, the "untouchables" in the handicappers dept have decided to allow the mares concession plus junior drivers allowance to create a C2-C4 race. But look at the field C1-C5.
Race 8 GARRARDS HORSE & HOUND PACE 5:32 PMC2 To C4. PBD/C. Prizemoney: $5,100 2030 METRES TRIFECTA, QUINELLA, EXACTA, 4TH LEG QUADRELLA, FIRST4 MOBILE START Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver Class Hcp 1 26s73 BLACK BELT
C J Harmey
Grace Grant (C)
C1 M0 FR1 2 83349 DARK DEFENDER
Polly Downing (C)
C2 M0 FR2 3 45s67 ULTIMATE TRUMP
Madelene Bond (C,cl)
C4 M0 FR3 4 72252 GLASSCUTTERSPIRIT
Brad Elder (C,cl)
C4 M0 FR4 5 94131 BLIZZARD OF OZZ
Adam Francis
C3 M0 FR5 6 1719s SECOND MAJOR
Lauren Panella (C)
C3 M0 FR6 7 5571s HIT FOR SIX
Jackson McDonald (C,cl)
C5 M0 FR7 8 65353 HOLLYS FANTASY
Martin Howell
C5 M0 FR8
I don't think that you will get many owners and trainers who are happy with the fact that when you nominate your horse/horses for a race at the moment all you can do is nominate for a C0 and better or C2 and better as it has been changed to in the last few weeks, it's just a one in all in. Where it is most annoying is on half mile tracks. Almost everyone wants to draw the front on these tracks. If you have a C1 class horse that you nominated for a CO and better you didn't know if you looking at drawing one or ten. What you have lost is the ability to place your horse.
You hear people say (and have said it yourself) why would you nominate for a race that is two or three hours traveling time away on a half mile track when they will put you in whatever race suits them. When the races were programmed CO-C1, C1-C2 or C2-C3 trainers had the option nominating for the harder class with the general expectation that on a half mile track the horse will at least draw in close. If you have two C2 class horses you would nominate one for the C1 front and the other for the C2 front, as it is there is always a chance both your horses could end up in the same race even thou the authority say "we try to separate horses from the same trainer". Why nominate for somewhere that will cost you about $200 in fuel alone when you don't know if you will end up racing against yourself. Most trainer/drivers want to drive their own horses after all they are the one doing all the hard work each and every day.
The people who supply the horses that make up the industry are not given any say in what race their horse starts in. This is simply not right and would not happen anywhere else. Imagine going to Woolies to buy your groceries and having some faceless person inform you that can't buy that chicken today, you have to buy fish because we have a lot of it to sell, you would take your money a shop somewhere else. That is what owners are doing they are leaving the industry through frustration.
No matter how you cut it handicappers are not horse trainers they are handicappers and they should be drawing up the fields from horses that the trainers nominate for each race. For years the authority has been tweaking with the industry to improve it (as they should). But administrators should administer and trainers who train the horses should be in charge of what grade/class of race their horses are nominated in.
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well said
Re: owners meeting 18th of january.........who is running this event this is the first time i have heard of this meeting. great idea for the owners to be heard. Due to work commitments and length of travel I wont be attending. Im sure there is a data base of owners so this could be advertised more. Maybe a survey form / comment form could be sent out so we can comment if we are unavailable to attend these meetings. I know there is any quick fix but however Goulburn Race 1 on the 5/1/2015 had an interesting runner in it !!! no better than C1 ? c3 mare with concession C2 any comments ??
It has been advertised over the past 3-4 weeks in Trottguide. The NSW Owners association is running the meeting. Personally I think it is a a very good idea. This will give all owners a chance to listen as well as contribute with there thoughts. In fact it should be an annual event for all participants to attend and contribute in a professional manner. Hopefully a large number can attend so as to show our Administrators that our industry Owners are very important and furthermore should be given credit for what they contribute day in day out to our sport.
Rob, I hope there is a great turnout, as something must be done for owners/trainers in placing their horses but I bet you hear that turnover is the lifeblood of the sport and from what I hear it will be stated that with this new system and the reduction of odds on runners has seen the para Tab down a bit but fixed odds and Corporates up $5 million. I can't back these figures up but a reliable source.Originally Posted by Rob Nalder
It would be good to see a great roll up. What changes HRNSW have made has improved the Handicaping System big time from what was 1st offered. (in my opinion). I do hear talk about turn over as being critcal to our future, however without going to far into my feelings the number 1 issue is Ownership of Racing & Breeding stock. Without Owners nothing works. So we need Owners to provide Stock for Punters to bet on, then tackle the 2nd issue of Turn Over. It will be very interesting to see the roll up, hopefully you & heaps of other Owners attend to place your views and thoughts before the Owners Ass, so as to follow up against with HRNSW.
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