Originally Posted by
dizzy
kevin cammibest is actually inbred not linebred as the duplications are in the third generation.
[vvv] for mine he's linebred to most happy fella and harold j, tightly/closely linebred it is true, but inbred? No.
his sire & dam are from different maternal families therefore it is impossible for him to be inbred in the true genetic sense of the term.
i've long believed it is irresponsible of the breeding industry to adopt terminology that is at odds with genetic realities because all that does is serve to further cloud an already difficult to determine picture. For starters, dna does not recognise the human imposed deliniations of 3rd and closer removes as opposed to 4th and further removes or any other such arrangement of numbers.
those aspects were instead created by humans to allow fellow humans to simplify and duly pigeon hole various aspects of breeding that have genetic truths which are much, much more involved and complicated.
the mantra from the tb pedigree scholars is inbreeding on the sire line is rarely successful (though they are less dogmatic about it since northern dancer came along)
[vvv] they've had their individual and collective heads shoved up their arses for years. The overwhelming success of linebreeding to meadow skipper alone puts paid to those who subscribe to that theory.
unless there is an equally strong representation of females from an unrelated line which is what cammibest demonstrates.
[vvv]...a fact which puts paid to him being inbred in the true genetic sense of the term.
pub blitz is inbred to tyler b through a son and daughter which is preferable to through 2 sons. Big band sound is a 7/8 brother to tylerb which makes pub blitz even more in/linebred. Fortitude hanover has breath of spring in his pedigree which is harold j full sister, something tesio was big on, and possibly more significant then the in/line breeding to mhf.
[vvv] interestingly bred horse.
harvey's grinfromeartoear/presidential ball example "not enough" dam is by presidential ball out of the dam of cammibest so is a actually a 3/4 relation to cammibest as pb and cambest are both by cam fella and she is inbred to mhf. "not enough "also has the full brother and sister harold j and breath of spring 4x 4 as well as another strain of b of s. Which would be the tesio enthusiasts key to her success.
[vvv] like black caviar, post their success there is always someone who will point to this aspect or that aspect of a horse's pedigree as being 'the key' to it all. If such things were in fact so self evident all along, one wonders why the pedigree boffins and breeding consultants do not apply their analysis, identify such horses, put their $ where their mouths are and snap up these future champions.
Harveys other example is "monkey on my wheel" by mach three who has demonstrated quite a lotof success with mares by sons of cam fella in north america and here. Mach three may be out of your reach but he has a full brother standing in nz extreme three who wasn't as good a racehorse and is still largely unproven as a sire but it's reasonable to assume would do best with the same lines that his brother has.
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