Very well said Jamie and i totally agree with you.
Very well said Jamie and i totally agree with you.
Have whoever you want on but don't ever have yourself on
Be careful what you wish for. If threshold levels were introduced for legal medications, this would play into the hands of the biochemist. A little bit of this, a little bit of that (commonly know as stacking) until all the little bits potentiate each other to have a huge effect on the outcome of races.
Agree with what tangles said. Greg 1 nano gram is unlikely to have had an effect on the horses performance during the race but how is anyone to know that it wasn't part of a pre race stacking protocol designed to improve performance and avoid detection in conventional post race testing that went wrong? Because Barry said so? I think we all know that isn't even close to a viable defence. I don't know how karloo mick came to return a positive swab, I don't know if what's been suggested as the explanation is even viable but right now Barry has crossed the existing line in the sand and must be dealt with accordingly, thus he is disqualified.
Yes testing capabilities have improved enormously but then so have the protocols designed to thwart them. As written earlier ketamine does have differing effects used in different ways and in combination with other drugs. My only personal experience with it is that 20mls of it allowed one of mine to walk around perfectly soundly turning his fractured pastern into a bag of marbles whilst awaiting euthanasia.
In years gone by karloo mick has been reported to be effected by dust and allergies in various media reports, improved vastly by beach training at Vic Frosts was one, treated by vet Christine Smith for allergies was another,and ketamine is known to be a bronchodilator. So who really knows if Barry is a legitimate combatant or innocent victim of the much needed assault on the use of PEDS. Either way the ability to detect 1nannogram serves as a deterent to those tempted to cross the line and the line currently stands at zero. To Barry I am sorry if you are a victim and good riddance to you if you are not.
Yes testing capabilities have improved enormously but then so have the protocols designed to thwart them
Very true
Dot, there's a huge difference between mls and mgs. If I remember it correctly Ketamine comes in a dosage strength of 10mg/ml...so 20mls over 28hrs means that your horse received 200mg of Ketamine or thereabouts and I still reckon that weight would've sent it to the great racetrack in the sky.
By way of a yardstick, 100mg of Ketamine is enough to stop a 4 tonne African Elephant in its tracks. At a guess a good sized horse weighs in at around 1/10th of that, somewhere in the vicinity of 350-400kg.
VVV would you mind advising where you obtained your veterinary degree? Would you prefer it if I said approximately 20mls of ketamine, I was somewhat distressed at the time. I don't recall the concentration on the bottle and it was actually prescribed and dispensed by a small animal vet which perhaps had some bearing on the event. It did not cause the horses death, that was most certainly caused by an equine vet and 120 odd mls, with another 60 mls on standby, of the "green dream"
Do you think the drugs may have been pharmacologically active if we swabbed him?