NZ Broodmare Sale

[Messenger]

If you post such misleading rubbish as you have on this matter, then I will pull you up every time.
If you are going to give your opinion try to make it an informed one.
As i have said a couple of times I wouldn't comment on a thread about Australian breeding because I only have a superficial knowledge of the maternal families involved.
I suggest you take the same approach to threads about New Zealand breeding

You sound upset Viv
I notice you have still not once addressed anything I have posted but don't now as we can beg to differ
Misleading rubbish - which points were wrong again LOL
I will give you an example of misleading rubbish

"Here's a wee quiz for you.
What is the best bred mare in the up coming sale.
Not the best producer, just the best bred mare in the sale.
I am genuinely interested in your opinion so I would appreciate a reply"

When Greg called you out about this stunt/question of yours
Who will judge the best bred mare Viv as it is only an individual's opinion and the opinion's all vary ?

You tried to claim
Exactly the point I was trying to make Greg....

If you were only trying to make that point you would have just said that instead of asking such a detailed question - at best I will say you were trying to set me up

You will have to earn my trust from here on in Viv

Like I have already said, I could not have qualified my opinions anymore ie I am only an amateur/enthusiast and Fiona to whom I was replying did not seem to have your problem

And guess what I will comment on anything I feel inclined to and I am sure TeeCee will let me know if I am out of line so don't you worry your pretty little head about it

[Bonnie]

It did surprise me a touch as one of the main people behind the concept is Noel Kennard who would be one of the most computer literate people you could ever meet. I am sure they will take all the comments about the sale on board as they seem to want to make it an annual event.

If Noël Kennard has the computer skills it is disappointing that he did not create an on line catalogue. Traditionally, mare dispersal sales do not generate high prices. If he was looking for a cheaper option than printing and distributing catalogues , the internet gets the message across worldwide. Maybe next time.

[Viv Strangman]

If Noël Kennard has the computer skills it is disappointing that he did not create an on line catalogue. Traditionally, mare dispersal sales do not generate high prices. If he was looking for a cheaper option than printing and distributing catalogues , the internet gets the message across worldwide. Maybe next time.

Anne,
Noel runs his own harness racing site in New Zealand and has done so for years.He is the owner of Monkey Bones and The Prez and runs the Go Harness Racing Syndicates so he is very computer literate

[Messenger]

Results
http://media.wix.com/ugd/c3fe71_96e3...b7b2a7bfe7.pdf
Maybe it will catch on next year
20 of 90 lots sold
Zenola's Princess went for $10k which was more than 25% of the whole sale's turnover

[Science of breeding]

Not sure how anyone can say 'jury is still out' on American Ideal as sire...look at these facts, and then go read his foal numbers and compare with other sires .....

American Ideal, in 2013/2014 became the sire of THE BEST 3 YR COLT IN AUST (Bling It On), THE SECOND BEST 3 YR FILLY IN NZ (Ideal Belle), AND THE TOP 2YR OLD IN USA-Canada IN 2013 AND NOW IN 2014 AT 3 HE BEING THE MEADOWLANDS PACE WINNER IN WORLD RECORD (HE'S WATCHING-1.46.4).

In Sept 2014 the winner (Sunfirebluechip) of the $200,000 4 yr Canadian classic Prix de Tete. Right now he is probably the best 4 yr old male pacer in Nth America and is also by American Ideal.

In addition 2 of the older FFA male pacers in 2014 in USA are by same sire AI; being Heston Blue Chip (prior 3 yr old of his year in Nth America and winner of over $1.75 million) and Big Town Hero (this latter AI pacer who earlier won this year in 1.47.3 - on five fur track- in Sept 2014 won the top class $200,000 FFA pace as 6 yr old, winning the Jim Ewart Memorial in 1.48.2 - equaling the track record- where he defeated Sweet Lou and Foiled Again etc).

I ask where are all the hundreds of Art Major foals now racing in FFA ranks anywhere in world. My guess is by end of age 4 most Art Major's have bowed one of their front tendons (like sire Artsplace did as racehorse) and are retired or racing with much medical support. I would be interested in feedback of anyone else with an Art Major tendon bow experience.

[Messenger]

David,you're probably right and I could have said the jury is very nearly satisfied (I was of course referring to his Southern Hemi credentials)

For those who are interested in comparing American Ideal to Art Major, like David, here is a smorgasbord for you

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Offspr...arnings&AD=ASC
http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Offspr...arnings&AD=ASC

http://stars.ustrotting.com/stallion.cfm?stallion_id=55
http://stars.ustrotting.com/stallion...tallion_id=169

http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/r...orse_id=561051
http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/r...orse_id=518040

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/i...&Arg=SireStats
http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/i...&Arg=SireStats

EDIT
The HRA links only give the home page you will have to look them up yourself and then click on 'Progeny of this Sire' tab

I will try attaching snips but it is likely to be blurry

[Messenger]

I am selling Lot 1 in mixed section - Miss Patriot, be interested to see what your thoughts are on her breeding? Not going to yearling sales next year so trying this sale.

Fiona you might be very happy after last night if you have kept MP, maybe as a future broodmare she can surpass her mum

[figgy1]

Hi Kevin, We did sell her to a good trainer and am wishing them all the success for the future with her......lets hope she is half as good as her 3/4 blood relation The Orange Agent!! I am sure there are a few people out there kicking themselves for maybe not taking a punt on buying her but time will tell I guess...... we do have a lovely Betterthancheddar colt from the same mare who will be for sale if anyone is interested?? We also have a beaut 2 year old Live or Die filly who we are a bit excited about from the same mare, we are keeping her and she is out in the paddock until about August, she went to a workout and jogged around 3 seconds under qualifiying.....so keep an eye out for "Sweet Life"..