Trotters Only in Here...

[Adaptor]

I would be happy to have a pacer go at that rate. Quite a feat !

[brent_L]

Ouch !
Star Gun disqualified after the all-clear had been given."Chairman of the meeting erred significantly".

RACE 3 Ballarat –BOB FREEMAN MEMORIAL MONTE (1710 SS)
Star Gun underwent a pre-race veterinary examination after having started the previous evening. This gelding was subsequently cleared to start.
Star Gun was slow out and will remain outside the standing start draw.
Hakuna Sunset galloped with approximately 800m to travel.
Bill Pepperell tired to be beaten 64m at the finish of the race and a warning was issued.
Telern Tiger tired badly to be beaten in excess of 190m. A post-race veterinary examination of this mare failed to reveal any apparent abnormalities and as a result of the poor performance Telern Tiger has been stood down from racing until the completion of a satisfactory trial.
Subsequent to the all-clear being given it was established that Star Gun had galloped just prior to the winning post and acting in accordance with the provisions of AR331 Star Gun was subsequently disqualified from the event however due to the all-clear already being given the original judge’s numbers stood for betting purposes in accordance with the provisions of AR15(1)(ab). In determining this matter stewards took into account the mandatory requirements of the particular rules and that the Chairman of the race meeting had erred significantly by failing to review the replays appropriately.
I remember watching that live and at the time thinking to myself that the galloper was still going to finish 3rd no matter what. I'm glad the tri/1st4 punters got paid out but we really don't need stewards 'erring significantly' do we.

[Adaptor]

Looks like the seasons first 2yo Trot will be at Bendigo


BNC06031510 SS 2YO TROTTERS HANDICAP $6,275 2YO,2T0 Only. ,1650 RBD
NO CONCESSION CLAIMS

There were 6 2yo trotters in a trial at Bendigo Last Sunday: with Sundon's Courage, Chris Angove winning in 2.11 from a stand over the 1650m distance

http://www.harness.org.au/trial-results-full.cfm?trialId=13219

[Messenger]

6 out of the 8 races at Bendigo tonight are trots!

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=BN260215&fromstate=vic

[Maorisidol]

6 out of the 8 races at Bendigo tonight are trots!

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=BN260215&fromstate=vic

How good is that Kev!!!

Are you excited??????

[Messenger]

How good is that Kev!!!

Are you excited??????
Excited is not the word

[Messenger]

I am worried I might be a vindictive b#$%^@* as I was happy to see Dean Braun's stuff up in the 1st Semi at Bendigo

[Messenger]

Maori Time and Duchess Ella got within a second of the Bendigo Tk Rec last night

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN260215&ms=vic#BNC26021503

The trotting mile record for Bendigo is 1.55.5

[Messenger]

Ash, this is what trotting has to eliminate

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX270215&ms=vic#MXM27021510

3 out of 8 finishing 150m+ behind the winner

[Maorisidol]

Ash, this is what trotting has to eliminate

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX270215&ms=vic#MXM27021510

3 out of 8 finishing 150m+ behind the winner

Yeah not good, but only 8 runners, 12 runners wouldnt have looked so bad and at the end of the day they ARE trotters.
They have galloped for 50 years and will gallop for another 50 years...
You would have to think the average punter knows this, or anyone having first bet on our industry would either be told the diff between pacers and trotters or to be aware they are "different". Look at the dogs, hot favs or any dog, fall over as much as any trotter gallops.

[Race For Fun]

Yeah not good, but only 8 runners, 12 runners wouldnt have looked so bad and at the end of the day they ARE trotters.
They have galloped for 50 years and will gallop for another 50 years...


And that is what makes them so attractive to people who think that trotters are so nice.

"He is trotting good so at home, If I can just get him around the first turn."

Once they get you in they have got you.

[Richard prior]

Yeah not good, but only 8 runners, 12 runners wouldnt have looked so bad and at the end of the day they ARE trotters.
They have galloped for 50 years and will gallop for another 50 years...
You would have to think the average punter knows this, or anyone having first bet on our industry would either be told the diff between pacers and trotters or to be aware they are "different". Look at the dogs, hot favs or any dog, fall over as much as any trotter gallops.

Exactly right Ash but they are getting a lot better and not breaking as often, The breed here has come a long way in a very short space of time and should continue to improve in the next few years and hopefully bomb proof in 50 years.

[Messenger]

I took an interest in the trot at Stawell today and as usual looked up the breeding of the winner after.
Congratulations to Ararat trainer Michael McGrath on what I think is his first winner for the season but more so congratulations to the whole McGrath clan of the last 50+ years.
T & Mrs N bought Queen Ling 1961 and bred Napoleon Miss 1974. Then WT & EK bred Can't Find It 1980 from her and then MT & KF being from up this way of course sent her to Maori's Idol to produce good mare Rani Rose 1997 the dam of their winner today Our Rose Bud 2008

These are the families - horse and human, that we need to keep harness racing strong
Won again next start in the Tontine at Ararat (home) tonight and paid $22
I remember reading in the local paper after the first win that Michael said it would win much better races
(of course I did not have anything on it)

[Messenger]

The last at Ballarat today. These times must be wrong. I am thinking the lead time would be 46.7 not 36.7 - they cannot have gone 591m in that time but how have they got the Gross Time wrong too, what they have posted would mean they have smashed the Tk record

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA040315&ms=vic#BAC04031507

[Messenger]

I cannot believe I am having to keep this thread alive Ash

I really paid again today for ignoring the trot.
On course at Stawell sitting near me was a dad with 2 young ones on school holidays in tow.
Dad disappears for a minute, then returns in driving kit.
I check the fields and find out his only drive is in the trot.
It is a 9yo mare who has not won for 5yrs but she has run 2 placings in her last 4 - a good 'interest' bet
But what do I do?
I decide that if I skip the trot I can zip down to the hardware store, pick up a few things and still be back in plenty of time for the 5th.
Congratulations Peter Sanderson, I bet the billy-lids were pretty proud of dad.

[Troodles]

Dick Lee still trains and drives - currently Dora Pepperel (trotter) and Reeds May (pacer) but my favourite must be Rufus Youngblood (and Downsouth Clare, Hampden's Pride, Rhodonite, Glenfield Girl etc etc). And he has been heavily involved with the Square Trotters and Redwood Day/Carnival.

[Maorisidol]

Dick Lee still trains and drives - currently Dora Pepperel (trotter) and Reeds May (pacer) but my favourite must be Rufus Youngblood (and Downsouth Clare, Hampden's Pride, Rhodonite, Glenfield Girl etc etc). And he has been heavily involved with the Square Trotters and Redwood Day/Carnival.

Hey Troodles, welcome to the forum and particularly this Trotters thread!
I was a big fan of Hampdens Pride, from memory a gun from the mobile start...

[Maorisidol]

Congrats to the Welsh clan for winning the Ararat Trotters Cup with Wildenstein hanging on well to win. A great beginner from the SS he pinged out and led all the way with a well rated drive by Clinton around the small 800m track.

Also congrats to Trainer David Garbutt and the (i reckon) newer and improved Sunset Invasion who won the Warragul Trotters Cup Easter Sunday.
The Boss Man disappointing, going in the opposite direction of Sunset Invasion, down, not up!

[Messenger]

I took a couple of photos for your trotting lovers Ash. I will drip feed you the clues. Many will get it after the 2nd pic

[Messenger]

Rightio, a little zoom will help many guess where this is leading

[Maorisidol]

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These 2 blokes would be from Marnoo i reckon Kevo...

[Messenger]

The little history shed in the main street of Marnoo

[Adaptor]

Kevin...Exactly where is this in Marnoo?
My first school posting after Teacher's College was Banyena...not quite a suburb of Marnoo :)
The local Healy champs were just getting going...I think Lester Dalton had Instigator and Jeff Reading had Dunmunkle Rose.

[Messenger]

Hi Noel, it is in the median strip in the Main Street. Did a tour around a few country towns this week, sadly half are semi ghost towns and Marnoo probably falls into that category. The pub is still open so they are alive but the oval looks like it no longer supports cricket or football. I didn't check if they still had a school - essential for a town to survive

[doncht]

Thanks Noel! https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

[Messenger]

Thanks Noel! https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

You're welcome ;)

[Richard prior]

you're welcome ;)
lmfao

[Maorisidol]

Well done Dave Murphy on getting a well deserved win with Vote Pedro. But what was John Meade thinking on challenging the leader that aggressively? Maorisfavouritesun is a good horse but was never gonna get the lead.
And quite an amazing Monte win in the last race by Vics Cheval, if you havent seen it watch the replay here http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=JR170415&ms=vic#JRC17041511
Celtic Rose wins VSTA Trotters Cup Final showing how she has improved about 10 lengths under C Alfords training/driving. Shes a whole new animal.
Nice win by Kyvalley Blur in the EB Cochran Trotters Cup, good to see him back to his best. Kind of top run by The Boss Man, but i say that as there were quite a few either unlucky or bad/disappointing runs too...
Stoned I Am ran a shocker after a raved about trial and massive drop in Fixed-Odds, Sunset Invasion looked perfectly placed and plodded and Bruneleschi locked wheels and lost lengths and momentum. However top run Our Overanova!
Big day At Coolamon tomorrow Sunday 19th, less than a full card of Squaregaiters like previous years and most races small fields, so doesnt look like a good trend there...
COOLAMON ABANDONED...

[djgood]

Coolamon was a failure from the start , not a good track and too hard to get to for the prize money offered , hopefully they will wake up and run it in a more appropriate place possibly somewhere near where people actually train trotters

[Maorisidol]

Coolamon was a failure from the start , not a good track and too hard to get to for the prize money offered , hopefully they will wake up and run it in a more appropriate place possibly somewhere near where people actually train trotters

Yes good call David, its been a good intention but based on what you said seems to have too many pitfalls.
Would be great to see it thrive like the Maryborough carnival which last year actually grew to 3 days!
Coolamon did get support from a lot of Vic trainers but obviously a change of track and location is needed as is evident by this years numbers.
Hopefully either another track or whoever can make an executive decision, can announce a change for next year.
However i applaud Coolamon on being courageous enough to start such a day!

[jake80]

Found our experience at Coolamon really good, first ever meeting was great! And been there since then. Is the problem the percentage of prize money paid to the winner, as standard race stakes have improved in VIC in recent years? Sometimes the programming is not in sync with VIC feature racing, and that could cause a problem with nominations, I know that has been the case with our nominations over the years. And when checked this year for 25th April meeting - what no Coolamon? Didn't realise the date changed. The change of dates meant no nom this year. Good on Cololamon for trying and the Fitzpatricks from NSW supporting the meeting, if moved to different track closer to Sydney metro will VIC trainers still support? I don't think so, and then how would there be enough trotters to support a whole meeting?

[aussiebreno]

Found our experience at Coolamon really good, first ever meeting was great! And been there since then. Is the problem the percentage of prize money paid to the winner, as standard race stakes have improved in VIC in recent years? Sometimes the programming is not in sync with VIC feature racing, and that could cause a problem with nominations, I know that has been the case with our nominations over the years. And when checked this year for 25th April meeting - what no Coolamon? Didn't realise the date changed. The change of dates meant no nom this year. Good on Cololamon for trying and the Fitzpatricks from NSW supporting the meeting, if moved to different track closer to Sydney metro will VIC trainers still support? I don't think so, and then how would there be enough trotters to support a whole meeting?
+1

A lot of criticism of Coolamon but Sydney wouldn't change much. What's the trotters population there and how many would travel from Vic.
No doubt if it was too change to Sydney more money would be thrown at it and it would be incomparable.

[Toohard]

458

These 2 blokes would be from Marnoo i reckon Kevo...

Finally found it... Same 2 blokes...different venue

[Messenger]

Outstanding find Paul

[djgood]

Goulburn would be the perfect venue, on freeway with easier access for both vic trainers and nsw trainers , better track , and other than Blake who can take 10 or so trotters the rest of us have 2/3 and it's not financially viable to head to coolamon there would be enough trotters in Sydney to cover the day only a small fraction nominated , an all trotters day was held previously at Fairfield with only a small vic contingent , this is nsw event so really should cater for Nsw


Found our experience at Coolamon really good, first ever meeting was great! And been there since then. Is the problem the percentage of prize money paid to the winner, as standard race stakes have improved in VIC in recent years? Sometimes the programming is not in sync with VIC feature racing, and that could cause a problem with nominations, I know that has been the case with our nominations over the years. And when checked this year for 25th April meeting - what no Coolamon? Didn't realise the date changed. The change of dates meant no nom this year. Good on Cololamon for trying and the Fitzpatricks from NSW supporting the meeting, if moved to different track closer to Sydney metro will VIC trainers still support? I don't think so, and then how would there be enough trotters to support a whole meeting?

[aussiebreno]

Actually, the idea behind the meeting is to grow trotting in NSW; so why is there a Coolamon V closer to Sydney argument anyway.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vqgSO8_cRio/hqdefault.jpg

[djgood]

So there's the reason to move it closer to Sydney
How many at coolamon and surrounds have got trotters since it started?
While majority of Sydney trainers stay at home s
Sydney and Newcastle have healthy trotting numbers let it grow in Sydney then expand out



Actually, the idea behind the meeting is to grow trotting in NSW; so why is there a Coolamon V closer to Sydney argument anyway.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vqgSO8_cRio/hqdefault.jpg

[Beltane]

My wife and I arranged to attend the Coolamon meeting of Sunday, 19th April (having previously visited in 2012), and to make a trip of it, decided to also attend the Temora Air Musuem's Flying Day on the Saturday.

Being keen followers, we downloaded the fields for the Sunday, and saw that 3 of the races were now for pacers as well as the Blake Fitzpatrick media release about the event. A bit strange I thought that there was now pacers on the card! We spent the weekend at nearby Cootamundra, and on the Sunday, bought the country edition of the Sunday Telegraph and therein was the fields for Coolamon. Hopped into the car and drove the 90 odd kilometres to Coolamon and arrived an hour before the first race.

Coming to the gates, there was no one on duty. Sinking feeling as we drove into the grounds and the showground was totally deserted. After a number of expletives, we just drove away very, very disappointed.

Moral of the story: give Coolamon a wide berth in future, and carry a device in future to look up the Internet to confirm the show is not abandonded.

PS. Totally recommend the world class Temora Aircraft Musuem as it was the weekend's saving grace!

[Messenger]

How can a $20k race be a Gp3 or visa versa How can a Gp3 race only be worth $20k?

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MX240415&fromstate=vic#3

[Maorisidol]

Stent-great win in the 2015 Rowe Cup -The Dominant squaregaiter of NZ/Aus
The Boss Man gets his mojo back and wins easy in the Coulter Crown, Brunelleschi in my opinion disappointing.
Illawong Helios continues to win and tonite ran an impressive 1:57.6 over the 1720MS at Melton by leading all the way.

[teecee]

SUNDON Departed..


http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/68059962/super-sire-sundons-legacy-to-live-on

[Richard prior]

SUNDON Departed..


http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/68059962/super-sire-sundons-legacy-to-live-on
A truly sad day for the trotting fraternity.

[Messenger]

29 is however a fantastic age. Thoughts are with the Gibson family. Animals find there way into our hearts and their deaths can seriously hurt - I just had a distraught neighbour come to see if I had a shoe box, you can guess the rest.

[Maorisidol]

RIP Sundon!

[Maorisidol]

1:54.8 today at Menangle by My Valerie who sat back quietly until she was released at about the 400m mark by Trainer/Driver Blake Fitzpatrick. The race was set up with a blistering first quarter by Astral Traveller crossing to lead from barrier 6 before being immediately challenged by Bad Habbott who got to the first quarter in 26.6!!! As Bad Habbott has been making a bad habit of lately, he capitulated to run about 40m from the winner while Astral held on well to be 5th 25m closer to the winner than Bad Habbott.
Now i get to mention the runner up, Arboe. Previous to today she had had 2 starts 2300SS for 2 super impressive wins. Today she had her first mobile race and first race over the mile, drew the pole, got off pegs to the death seat and stayed there until about the last 50m when Valerie proved too quick to win by 5m. But what a run by Arboe, in the death only beaten 5m running 1:54.8 and these are T2-T4 trotters, both these girls have got bright futures!!!

[Messenger]

Good to have you back Ash

[Maorisidol]

Good to have you back Ash

cheers thnx Kev!

[Maorisidol]

teecee...(or anyone else) do you have any knowledge of how Blitzthemcalder is travelling and/or plans for being back racing?????

[squaregaiter]

teecee...(or anyone else) do you have any knowledge of how Blitzthemcalder is travelling and/or plans for being back racing?????
you may find he has gone to the very good stable of Adam Kelly with a few others

[mightymo]

you may find he has gone to the very good stable of Adam Kelly with a few others

I could be wrong, but I heard he had been retired to stud

[Maorisidol]

Thnx Bruce and Harvey!
Last i read, he was off to NZ...

[squaregaiter]

Thnx Bruce and Harvey!
Last i read, he was off to NZ...


well with what Harvey is saying that would make sense I guess, I know others have gone to the Kelly stable

[Richard prior]

How would Blitz be looked upon by the Trotting Breeders?? He was exceptional on the track and comes from a fantastic family but is by the Pacing stallion Metropolitan.

[squaregaiter]

For those having a bob on the Abrahams tonight worth keeping in mine that only 3 horses are not Vicbred and one other who is a Vicbred has won only $53 in prizemoney, the reason I make this comment is that in 2 weeks time is the Vicbred Platinum Series ( total $60,000) for those Vicbred horses that haven't won more than $10k at Acceptance Time ! the first prize tonight is $9923

[squaregaiter]

Maryborough Redwood Facebook site maybe of interest to those who love this gait
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maryborough-Harness-Racing-Club-Function-Complex/1377048852608317
break stories fairly quickly as can be seen and has some good giveaways as well

[Messenger]

Doubling up a little here as I have posted it in breeding thread but Bacardi Lindy is on fire having sired the winner of 4 of the last 7 trots races in Vic

[squaregaiter]

Nice to see that Kyvalley Blur (US) is again hitting his straps and while he still has some races to make up to that of several of his ½ brothers (Valvec, winner of 40 races and US$ 660K and Twocarlane, winner of 28 and $US 440k) he is doing the family proud where the mare Duo Car Val is the dam of 50% blacktype winners.

[Maorisidol]

Nice to see that Kyvalley Blur (US) is again hitting his straps and while he still has some races to make up to that of several of his ½ brothers (Valvec, winner of 40 races and US$ 660K and Twocarlane, winner of 28 and $US 440k) he is doing the family proud where the mare Duo Car Val is the dam of 50% blacktype winners.


Yes, credit to Brent Lilley for getting him back to his best, shame to see My High Expectations below his best.

[doncht]

Indeed! Super job on Brent here! https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

[Maorisidol]

Congrats to Globe Derby park for a great program of trotters races Saturday night.
Very competitive races with a nice 2yo feature race and the SA Derby.
However to be a little "irish" they have the Victorian Square Trotters Association...PACE!!!! could've planned that a better bit you'd think?

[Messenger]

Congrats to Globe Derby park for a great program of trotters races Saturday night.
Very competitive races with a nice 2yo feature race and the SA Derby.
However to be a little "irish" they have the Victorian Square Trotters Association...PACE!!!! could've planned that a better bit you'd think?
Is that a second shot at us Irish or a legit typo Ash :D

[squaregaiter]

Congrats to Globe Derby park for a great program of trotters races Saturday night.
Very competitive races with a nice 2yo feature race and the SA Derby.
However to be a little "irish" they have the Victorian Square Trotters Association...PACE!!!! could've planned that a better bit you'd think?


TOTALLY agree with you Ash, very disappointing, the 2yo race should bring a quinella up for Barcardi Lindy barring mishaps albeit a big ask for the favorite who is a Dec foal traveling to SA and racing then coming back to Maryborough on Thurs to race again !

[Maorisidol]

Is that a second shot at us Irish or a legit typo Ash :D

oops, yep thats a legit typo written a little too late at the end of a week on a Fri nite! To be sure!

[Messenger]

I just watched a Trot from Addington Ash and all I could think about was the fact that a certain Newcastle driver who uses a pink sulky SHOULD be driving the looker Lucky Fortune

The attached pic is the only one I could find I am afraid (another example of a marketing op gone begging)

I know that you Trotting enthusiasts will already know him but for others you will be able to watch the video of todays race here in a couple of hours (the only area in which NZ site trails Oz)
http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/050932rs.htm

Here is a excerpt from a Harnesslink article from 2yrs ago

If the late developing son of Brylin Boyz can deliver in the $100,000 2yo Ruby Trot he will be the most successful Jewels starter in a family steeped in Jewels history.Lucky Fortune's five-win dam, the now 14yo Howz Lucky (by Sundon) has left six foals so far - four of them have competed in Jewels Finals, while the fifth is just a yearling.Her second foal Madisonz Luck (by Armbro Invasion) was runner-up behind Kylie Ree in the 2yo Ruby Trot at Cambridge in 2010, and then finished sixth in the 3yo Ruby trot at Ashburton in 2011.

Howz Lucky's first foal - Brylin Boyz 6yo gelding, Lanez Luck finished 10th in the 3yo Ruby Trot at Cambridge in 2010. Third foal 4yo Monarchy mare, Rosemaryz Luck has only had eight starts and is yet to race in a Jewels Final, while fourth foal Mollyz Luck (by Monarchy) finished ninth in last year's 2yo Ruby Trot at Cambridge.Lucky Fortune is the fifth foal. Howz lucky also has a yearling colt by The Pres named Primz Luck. Howz Lucky was served by The Pres last September.

Neal paid $12,000 for Lucky Fortune at the Yearling Sales from Matamata breeders Mrs R.G. Tims and B.R. Tims. "I liked his build. I could see through the chestnut and silver mane and tail. He was a strong looking yearling."I know we have left his Jewels run late but he's just needed time, and because of that he's now a well gaited, sensible horse. I have no idea how good he is yet because he's getting stronger all the time.He has a really nice racing disposition and the Ashburton track should suit him. I'm sure he will go well," Cambridge-based Neal said. Lucky Fortune finished second on debut at Cambridge on May 16 and then won by five lengths when second favourite at Manawatu three days later.Both Lucky Fortune and Three Jewels will be based at Lynn Neal's family farm in Ashburton.


http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Previews-for-this-week-s-Harness-Jewels-106087

[squaregaiter]

The Redwood Carnival begins this year over the weekend of Fri 30th July with the Redwood race run on Sunday 2nd Aug. The run up to the Redwood is now on in full earnest as this Thurs see's the young ones race in heats for $10k and then those qualified into the $50k final of the Vicbred Platinum Series on May 23rd. The noms are heavy for the Fillies heats and clearly there will be divisions for those however the colts & geldings are a little short in numbers but certainly not in quality where you have some good winners and a few unraced that will certainly make their present felt and shake up the run to the finals on the 23rd May then followed by the time honoured Tatlow 5th June, the following week the heats of the Empire Stallions Vicbred series final of $60k and then onto the Redwood so it is full on for the 2yo 's for the next couple of months.
To keep up with the latest on the Redwood, Maryborough Harness Racing Club have started a new Facebook page and is well worth a look as it is updated daily
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maryborough-Harness-Racing-Club-Function-Complex/1377048852608317

[Messenger]

Stoned I Am (Tr) going around in the United Petroleum Pace at YV tomorrow
If you really think about it - it is strange that a trotter can go around in a Pace race but a pacer cannot go around in a Trot

[squaregaiter]

If you really think about it - it is strange that a trotter can go around in a Pace race but a pacer cannot go around in a Trot[/QUOTE]


Not really strange at all, as the pacers have the aid of hobbles and generally go faster ( several seconds) therefore if they were to race in trotting races then their advantage would see them winning trotting races when the discipline was based on the squaregaiter

[Messenger]

You are not telling me something I do not know there Bruce
First of all I was coming from a literal language point of view ie trotter in a pace race but pacer not allowed in a trot race
But you raise an interesting thought - what about a free-legged pacer

[squaregaiter]

what about a free-legged pacer[/QUOTE]

sure to be 100's of them around to make up fields

[aussiebreno]

You are not telling me something I do not know there Bruce
First of all I was coming from a literal language point of view ie trotter in a pace race but pacer not allowed in a trot race
But you raise an interesting thought - what about a free-legged pacerA few pacers have won the NZ Trotting Cup.

[Messenger]

A few pacers have won the NZ Trotting Cup.

Good one Brenno, I will give up on semantics LOL

[Messenger]

My new bedtime story book

[squaregaiter]

A few pacers have won the NZ Trotting Cup.


Thanks for that info, there's is no harm in learning something new everyday in life's highway ...can you tell me the names of those " free legged pacers" that have won the NZ Trotters Cup I would like to learn more about them please

[Messenger]

Thanks for that info, there's is no harm in learning something new everyday in life's highway ...can you tell me the names of those " free legged pacers" that have won the NZ Trotters Cup I would like to learn more about them please

Brenno was making the point that just like a race named 'pace' does not have to be for pacers, a race named 'trot' does not have to be for trotters. Bruce, the NZ Trotting Cup is lately best known for Terror To Love winning it 3 times

[squaregaiter]

Brenno was making the point that just like a race named 'pace' does not have to be for pacers, a race named 'trot' does not have to be for trotters. Bruce, the NZ Trotting Cup is lately best known for Terror To Love winning it 3 times


Kevin seems like a lot of semantics creeping in here, however, I do apologize, I have only ever seen TOL race in harness however after 45 years around the game I must take closer notice

[Richard prior]

Hi Bruce, Can't help with Free Legged Pacers but Trotters have won it 3 times and mares have won it 3 times, If you punch New Zealand Trotting Cup into Google, Wikipedia has a link that will show you the past winners.

[squaregaiter]

Hi Bruce, Can't help with Free Legged Pacers but Trotters have won it 3 times and mares have won it 3 times, If you punch New Zealand Trotting Cup into Google, Wikipedia has a link that will show you the past winners.


Thanks for that Richard, but the original post by Kevin, referred to "free legged pacer" that is the only thing I replied to, not pacers winning trotting races
lets finish this posting as it is like little old men running games around a circle and for me there is far more important things to support and promote the trotter than this small talk

[aussiebreno]

This thread starting to hurt my brain :confused:

Step 1) Kev says trotters go in races named Pace (eg Stoned I Am), but pacers can't go in race called trot.

Step 2) I say pacers go in NZ Trotting Cup.

Step 3) Bruce replies directly to my post asking which free legged pacers have won the NZ Trotting Cup.

Not sure why Bruce asked that, not once did anyone mention anything about a free legged pacer wining NZ Trotting Cup or that Terror to Love was free legged??

[Messenger]

Thanks for that Richard, but the original post by Kevin, referred to "free legged pacer" that is the only thing I replied to, not pacers winning trotting races
lets finish this posting as it is like little old men running games around a circle and for me there is far more important things to support and promote the trotter than this small talk

I apologize for derailing this thread but I thought it was quirky that the race Stoned I Am (Tr) was in was called the '.......Pace'. We have to have small talk on the forum Bruce or else how would I keep it ticking over ;)

You are right, Terror To Love always wears harness, what Brenno was pointing out was that the New Zealand Trotting Cup is actually a pacing race (so Kevin should not take names so literally LOL)

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/major_races/major_race1.htm

Have a good day everybody

[aussiebreno]

Nice honour roll there Kev!

Back to the trotters for this forum and for Stoned I Am. Good field at Cranbourne this week.

[Messenger]

Maryborough have let the team down - surely they could have settled for a 6 race program rather than have the last race a pace :p

[Maorisidol]

Maryborough have let the team down - surely they could have settled for a 6 race program rather than have the last race a pace :p

gotta give the pacers a go sometimes Kev!

[squaregaiter]

After a couple of runs against the best of the 3yo boys in NZ, My Arya came back to Cranbourne with vengeance last night against her own sex and one can only wonder who out there will trouble Stents little half sister on this trip over here.

[Maorisidol]

After a couple of runs against the best of the 3yo boys in NZ, My Arya came back to Cranbourne with vengeance last night against her own sex and one can only wonder who out there will trouble Stents little half sister on this trip over here.

Who will trouble her? Not too many fillies of her age group anyway and theres plenty of Australian Dollars for her to plunder if she stays around...
NSW OAKS 23rd May 30K
NSW DERBY 30th May 30K
VIC OAKS 5th June 60K
VIC HOLMFIELD 13th June 30K
VIC DERBY 2nd AUG 75K
BREEDERS CROWN 20th AUG heats FINAL 30th AUG

Obviously outside the fillies only events she will run into the likes of Eljaykay Phoenix who races at Menangle this Tues arvo (i guess in preparation for the NSW Derby) so she will be seriously tested in those events...

[Adaptor]

Some interesting Victorian trotting starters at Menangle this Tuesday.
Among them is the Warragul track record holder Morning Fawlty, formerly trained by Bill and Simone Walker, now in the care of Jarrod Alchin.

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=ME190515

[Maorisidol]

Some interesting Victorian trotting starters at Menangle this Tuesday.
Among them is the Warragul track record holder Morning Fawlty, formerly trained by Bill and Simone Walker, now in the care of Jarrod Alchin.

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=ME190515

LJK Phoenix had a bad day, didnt like being restrained at the start- galloped, got quite lost in the straight-galloped. To b harsh may i throw this up, i think i saw a classic example of a Vic driver getting lost on the big track, i think he went a bit too early, got to the front too early based on the ground he lost at the start (hence he was a bit tired) lost his mojo got swamped about the 200-100m mark galloped-unplaced.
Morning Fawlty led, faultered in the straight to race rough, pretty much paced as he "lost it" under pressure-unplaced. very similar to his recent Vic performances.

[Messenger]

You prompted me to look up the Menangle track specifications Ash. Pretty pathetic when they cannot supply all the info for one of the country's leading tracks

http://www.harness.org.au/menangle/menangle.cfm

[Maorisidol]

You prompted me to look up the Menangle track specifications Ash. Pretty pathetic when they cannot supply all the info for one of the country's leading tracks

http://www.harness.org.au/menangle/menangle.cfm

scroll down lower...

Circumference: 1400.00 metres
Length of Home Straight: 350.00 metres

[Messenger]

scroll down lower...

Circumference: 1400.00 metres
Length of Home Straight: 350.00 metres

I saw that Ash but surely they know what the surface is and the radius of the turns - yeah I am picky :(

[Maorisidol]

I saw that Ash but surely they know what the surface is and the radius of the turns - yeah I am picky :(

home straight 350
assume backstraight 350
=700
1400m track leaves 700 for 2 turns, 350 each turn???

[Messenger]

home straight 350
assume backstraight 350
=700
1400m track leaves 700 for 2 turns, 350 each turn???

Now convert that too a radius measure for me ;)

I suppose if the turns are semi-circles
350 = pi x R
so Radius must be 111

ps They do not know what the surface is either (told you I was picky)

[aussiebreno]

4 weeks ago Sydney-siders were all up in arms about the Coolamons trotters day having smallish fields. The change in day didn't help Coolamon, but those within a stones throw of Bondi still offered up their opinion that the meeting should move to Menangle.

We've got a 9 horse Gp 1 (4 Vics 1 Kiwi), a 6 horse FFA and then only 2 trainers plus 3 Victorians pretty much making up a G3. What are these peoples thoughts on this?

[squaregaiter]

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"Harness Breeders (Vic) have just confirmed their continued sponsorship of the Harness Breeders (Vic) Humbletonian Day -Thursday 16th July, 2015 - a day for horses who have never won a race. In addition to the $250 extra prize money added by HB(Vic) our club also provides a Geoff Durn framed winning photo to the winning connections. Seven of the winning horses on the day receive their $7000 VicBred Bonus the other winner receives $5000 VicBred Bonus making this one of the most popular days racing in Victoria for the year."

[Richard prior]

^^^ This is a fantastic incentive for the battlers Bruce, It should be a great day.

[squaregaiter]

Some really nice Trotting races at Melton tonight with the Final of the HARAS DES TROTTEURS SWEETHEART and while it has a few scratching it possibly was always going to be a "3 horse race" with the flying Bacardi Lindy mare going to take some tossing, that is followed by the $50k Vicbred Final for C&G and you have what is described as "the best 2yo trotter in Aust" and another the "most professional" but the field is far more open that but come what may, and barring mishaps from the youngster, should be a fantastic race and that is followed by the $50k Vic Fillies final and that is similar with a few of them looking for a big night.


While talking about 2yo's the Heat 3 for the 2yo's at Menangle is out and some lovely types in there that should make for a GREAT race and provide us with just what the caliber and standard we can look forward to over the next few seasons.


Of interest the much publicised $60+ yearling that was sold through the sales via pre trainer Ricky Alchin is having its first start for its new owner/trainer and its metal will be put to the test with some nice bred youngster being halves to My Valerie & Vincennes without going back to the close family of others......a race I cant wait to watch

[Maorisidol]

Some really nice Trotting races at Melton tonight with the Final of the HARAS DES TROTTEURS SWEETHEART and while it has a few scratching it possibly was always going to be a "3 horse race" with the flying Bacardi Lindy mare going to take some tossing, that is followed by the $50k Vicbred Final for C&G and you have what is described as "the best 2yo trotter in Aust" and another the "most professional" but the field is far more open that but come what may, and barring mishaps from the youngster, should be a fantastic race and that is followed by the $50k Vic Fillies final and that is similar with a few of them looking for a big night.


While talking about 2yo's the Heat 3 for the 2yo's at Menangle is out and some lovely types in there that should make for a GREAT race and provide us with just what the caliber and standard we can look forward to over the next few seasons.


Of interest the much publicised $60+ yearling that was sold through the sales via pre trainer Ricky Alchin is having its first start for its new owner/trainer and its metal will be put to the test with some nice bred youngster being halves to My Valerie & Vincennes without going back to the close family of others......a race I cant wait to watch

Yes Bruce great nite tonite both in Vic and NSW.
edit... i wrote this below before the races started, but then the races started so didnt finish the preview, so lets have a review based on that...
pre race
"From the pole and based on his manners Sundons Courage has to b very hard to beat assuming he leads. Charlie Runkle very nearly ran down SC last week so that being his first race start can only improve with experience and should have every chance to win tonite, and of course drawn inside the back row Cruisin Around needs to go away with the mobile so we can see exactly who is currently the best male 2YO, and i emphasise "currently" at this early point of the season.
Theres no stand-out in the fillies at the moment but a few consistent performers a few with potential as they develop and a regally bred Maori trained by Mr Maori Bryan Healy."

Well a reverse fortune in manners-Sundons Courage stuffed the mobile start and Cruisin went out ok, Charlie sat quietly and was too good, definitely lived up to his first start and then some. Huge run from Sundons Courage to me i think hes numero uno.
Princess Phoenix too good in the fillies-but another huge run from Jay Bee Flex, watchout when she doesnt gallop.
Barefoot Sally huge, Hana LIndy has a win in weaker class coming real soon!

Cant wait to see the Trotters Oaks at Menangle, cant wait to see Claudy etc battle.

[Messenger]

As you know Ash, I do not follow the trotters to the extent that I should but I can see from doing a little research on My Tribeca ITA, that we are looking at some serious breeding potential here

ps Apart from My Tribeca's run I loved Blake Fitzpatrick's drive - great to see a move like that when it was obvious that they were about to crawl

[Maorisidol]

As you know Ash, I do not follow the trotters to the extent that I should but I can see from doing a little research on My Tribeca ITA, that we are looking at some serious breeding potential here

ps Apart from My Tribeca's run I loved Blake Fitzpatrick's drive - great to see a move like that when it was obvious that they were about to crawl

Yes quite true Kev, with a French dad and an Italian mum that can only bring some good new genetics to the pool in Australia once she goes to stud.
It was a good move by Blake to catch them napping, but just showed My Aryas superiority in the end over that field. However My Tribeca was certainly reeling her in at the end, was a shame she got so far back, she must have given Arya at least 30m headstart at the 800m??? Tribeca will be an interesting thing to watch develop, question is will we see her in Victoria??? hopefully yes!!!

How good is stablemate of Tribeca, Arboe? 5 starts 4 wins one 2nd. 1:55.5 last nite running freely out in front while Claudys Princess was stacked 3 wide for the first half of the trip, so top run by her to finish 9.4m from the winner in a 27.7 last qtr where Claudy was actually making ground.
Spidergirl also a similar run to Claudy and was first up but nevertheless wasnt exactly anything to tell us yet that the "old" Spidergirl will be back yet.
Interesting to see a good run hugging the pegs and flying home late with her best run yet in Australia to Ballyronan who is actually a FULL sister to winner Arboe!

Congrats to Darren Hancock Trainer Driver of ex pacer On Thunder Road who continues to race and win at FFA level, great effort.

[Messenger]

Yes quite true Kev, with a French dad and an Italian mum that can only bring some good new genetics to the pool in Australia once she goes to stud.
It was a good move by Blake to catch them napping, but just showed My Aryas superiority in the end over that field. However My Tribeca was certainly reeling her in at the end, was a shame she got so far back, she must have given Arya at least 30m headstart at the 800m??? Tribeca will be an interesting thing to watch develop, question is will we see her in Victoria??? hopefully yes!!!

How good is stablemate of Tribeca, Arboe? 5 starts 4 wins one 2nd. 1:55.5 last nite running freely out in front while Claudys Princess was stacked 3 wide for the first half of the trip, so top run by her to finish 9.4m from the winner in a 27.7 last qtr where Claudy was actually making ground.
Spidergirl also a similar run to Claudy and was first up but nevertheless wasnt exactly anything to tell us yet that the "old" Spidergirl will be back yet.
Interesting to see a good run hugging the pegs and flying home late with her best run yet in Australia to Ballyronan who is actually a FULL sister to winner Arboe!

Congrats to Darren Hancock Trainer Driver of ex pacer On Thunder Road who continues to race and win at FFA level, great effort.

The decision on gait esp changing - would one of our experts fill me in on how it might come about

[HaroldParker]

From a punting perspective, there's far too many Trotting races on these cards.

[Messenger]

Shoosh Bob, even I know not to say that in the trotting thread ;)

[Maorisidol]

From a punting perspective, there's far too many Trotting races on these cards.

And from your perspective why is that Bob? Dont they have a lot of squaregaiters in the USA where you spend/spent a lot of time???

[teecee]

4 weeks ago Sydney-siders were all up in arms about the Coolamons trotters day having smallish fields. The change in day didn't help Coolamon, but those within a stones throw of Bondi still offered up their opinion that the meeting should move to Menangle.

We've got a 9 horse Gp 1 (4 Vics 1 Kiwi), a 6 horse FFA and then only 2 trainers plus 3 Victorians pretty much making up a G3. What are these peoples thoughts on this?


Silence is golden.....
or is that deafening...

[aussiebreno]

Silence is golden.....
or is that deafening...
A whole two 3yo boys from NSW in the Derby this week.

Although credit where credit is due, a 12 horse Gp3 this week. And only 7 of them are ODS. Maybe the travel or state of the track wouldn't be such an issue if you knew your horse would get around the whole way!

[djgood]

Silence is golden.....
or is that deafening...

Put on trotters race for other classes and they would have got fields , I guess

[Maorisidol]

A whole two 3yo boys from NSW in the Derby this week.

Although credit where credit is due, a 12 horse Gp3 this week. And only 7 of them are ODS. Maybe the travel or state of the track wouldn't be such an issue if you knew your horse would get around the whole way!

Surprising not more Vics in the Derby and any 5 of the 7 could win.
The Bulli Trotters Cup very competitive should be a great race over the 3009m

[HaroldParker]

They do mate but not saturation and 4 of 9/10 races Trotting is just too many.

[doncht]

I think there's just nothing that we can do here about trotting? https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

[Messenger]

The Win pool for the Race 4 trot at Horsham today held only $7,618
Being a handicap it was of course a Stand but no wonder the punters had little confidence in betting - 9 of the 13 starters were ODS
Not silly, the punters made one of the other 4 runners fav but they picked the wrong one

[Adaptor]

It's the forty-fourth running of the Bendigo Trotters' Cup this coming Saturday Night.

First run in 1971.
Noteables:
Scotch Notch is the only dual winner

Drivers with 3 winners:
Kerryn Manning has driven 3 winners

Drivers with 2 winners:
Ted Demmler, Brian Gath, David Semmens, Stuart Rothacker, Graeme Lang, Gavin Lang, Chris Lang, Lance Justice and Noel Shinn

Bendigo District winners:
Hilton Adios, True Roman, Trinket, Cons Poem, Kwik Kiwi, Larry Do, Past Judgement, Poets Corner, Aleppo Sunrise,


1971 Ava Forbes K.Murray 1
1972 Corop Mc Elwyn G. Gath 2
1973 Miracle Time J.Shelley 3
1974 Just Money D.Dove 4
1975 Tarport Wyn T.Demmler 5
1976 Tuffarin T.Demmler 6
1977 Date changed
1978 Weeona Dancer R.Cunningham 7
1979 Hilton Adios S.Rothacker 8
1980 Stormy Morn K.Innes 9
1981 Marksway R.Ford 10
1982 Scotch Notch G.A .Lang 11
1983 Scotch Notch G.A. Lang 12
1984 Wongala Supreme R.Conroy 13
1985 Casino Lyn B.Gath 14
1986 True Roman G.Lang 15
1987 Trinket S.Rothacker 16
1988 Lord Alias I.Jones 17
1989 Glenfield Girl I.R.Lee 18
1990 Kinchem G.Gonroy 19
1991 Cons Poem D.Semmens 20
1992 Beau Bradie B.Gath 21
1993 Kwik Kiwi M.Wishart 22
1994 Knight Pistol B.Blenheim 23
1995 Lenin L.Justice 24
1996 Larry Do E.Rothacker 25
1997 Kyvalley Prince G. Lang 26
1998 Past Judgement K.G.Whelan 27
1999 Poets Corner D.Semmens 28
2000 Gate Keeper N.Shinn 29
2001 Lester Scot C.W.Lang 30
2002 Scherger Man N.Shinn 31
2003 Mands Ralph G.Campbell 32
2004 Skye Rocket M.E.Hayes 33
2005 Broke As Usual K.Manning 34
2006 Backa Beyond A.Xiriha 35
2007-1 A Touch of Flair D.Douglas 36
2007-2 Split Image C. Alford 37
2008 Date changed
2009 Ella Powell L.Justice 38
2010 Thepowerofhealing N.Jack 39
2011 Danny Cash K.Manning 40
2012 Aleppo Sunrise C.W.Lang 41
2013 Earl Harbour K.Manning 42
2014 Brunelleschi A.Tubbs 43
2015 ???????????

[Messenger]

or 44th Noel?

[Messenger]

The decision on gait esp changing - would one of our experts fill me in on how it might come about

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Pacing-Bred-But-Trotting-Up-A-Storm

Thanks Greg Hayes

[Adaptor]

Yup...sorry....can't count..44 will do.

[Maorisidol]

It's the forty-fourth running of the Bendigo Trotters' Cup this coming Saturday Night.

First run in 1971.
Noteables:
Scotch Notch is the only dual winner

Drivers with 3 winners:
Kerryn Manning has driven 3 winners

Drivers with 2 winners:
Ted Demmler, Brian Gath, David Semmens, Stuart Rothacker, Graeme Lang, Gavin Lang, Chris Lang, Lance Justice and Noel Shinn

Bendigo District winners:
Hilton Adios, True Roman, Trinket, Cons Poem, Kwik Kiwi, Larry Do, Past Judgement, Poets Corner, Aleppo Sunrise,


1971 Ava Forbes K.Murray 1
1972 Corop Mc Elwyn G. Gath 2
1973 Miracle Time J.Shelley 3
1974 Just Money D.Dove 4
1975 Tarport Wyn T.Demmler 5
1976 Tuffarin T.Demmler 6
1977 Date changed
1978 Weeona Dancer R.Cunningham 7
1979 Hilton Adios S.Rothacker 8
1980 Stormy Morn K.Innes 9
1981 Marksway R.Ford 10
1982 Scotch Notch G.A .Lang 11
1983 Scotch Notch G.A. Lang 12
1984 Wongala Supreme R.Conroy 13
1985 Casino Lyn B.Gath 14
1986 True Roman G.Lang 15
1987 Trinket S.Rothacker 16
1988 Lord Alias I.Jones 17
1989 Glenfield Girl I.R.Lee 18
1990 Kinchem G.Gonroy 19
1991 Cons Poem D.Semmens 20
1992 Beau Bradie B.Gath 21
1993 Kwik Kiwi M.Wishart 22
1994 Knight Pistol B.Blenheim 23
1995 Lenin L.Justice 24
1996 Larry Do E.Rothacker 25
1997 Kyvalley Prince G. Lang 26
1998 Past Judgement K.G.Whelan 27
1999 Poets Corner D.Semmens 28
2000 Gate Keeper N.Shinn 29
2001 Lester Scot C.W.Lang 30
2002 Scherger Man N.Shinn 31
2003 Mands Ralph G.Campbell 32
2004 Skye Rocket M.E.Hayes 33
2005 Broke As Usual K.Manning 34
2006 Backa Beyond A.Xiriha 35
2007-1 A Touch of Flair D.Douglas 36
2007-2 Split Image C. Alford 37
2008 Date changed
2009 Ella Powell L.Justice 38
2010 Thepowerofhealing N.Jack 39
2011 Danny Cash K.Manning 40
2012 Aleppo Sunrise C.W.Lang 41
2013 Earl Harbour K.Manning 42
2014 Brunelleschi A.Tubbs 43
2015 ???????????

Looks like quite a good race actually with NSW visitor Vincennes looking very dangerous. Elegant Image is first up from a spell since Feb and from 30m has a task especially that Vincennes is fitter and only on 10m.
In the 3yo race Gus An Maori is first up since Dec and recently trialled winning well running his last 800 in 58.06.

However the night before at Melton in maybe one of the best clashes we will see, another NSW visitor the very impressive Arboe comes down to tackle the great Claudys Princess who in this their 2nd clash has again quite a poor draw in comparison.

If Arboe gets the lead from barrier 2 she will be very hard to run down again-meanwhile lets all barrack for Spidergirl in the same race to get her mojo back!
Then we have the Oaks with hot fav My Arya drawing the pole, looks like the winner although My Tribeca was massive last start and if closer in this race, could actually turn the tables.
In the 2yo War Dan Destroyer by rights should win and Charlie Runkle wont be far away
a great weekend squaregaiting!

[Maorisidol]

Looks like quite a good race actually with NSW visitor Vincennes looking very dangerous. Elegant Image is first up from a spell since Feb and from 30m has a task especially that Vincennes is fitter and only on 10m.
In the 3yo race Gus An Maori is first up since Dec and recently trialled winning well running his last 800 in 58.06.

However the night before at Melton in maybe one of the best clashes we will see, another NSW visitor the very impressive Arboe comes down to tackle the great Claudys Princess who in this their 2nd clash has again quite a poor draw in comparison.

If Arboe gets the lead from barrier 2 she will be very hard to run down again-meanwhile lets all barrack for Spidergirl in the same race to get her mojo back!
Then we have the Oaks with hot fav My Arya drawing the pole, looks like the winner although My Tribeca was massive last start and if closer in this race, could actually turn the tables.
In the 2yo War Dan Destroyer by rights should win and Charlie Runkle wont be far away
a great weekend squaregaiting!

So Vincennes simply too good in Bendigo Cup. Elegant Image-shocker. Unico Crown 2nd in great form, loves SS.
Gus An Maori won 3yo simply too good. Hopefully he can continue winning and live up to his InterDom winning mums talent, would be great to see Bryan Healy have another great trotter entertain us.
Arboe certainly showed us she can do her thing in Vic not just on the big Menangle track, she certainly can run. However in most of her races she has led and won or been in the death seat up the front. Having only had 6 starts i am looking forward for example at Melton, (or anywhere but Menangle) where she draws on the back row of the mobile and Claudys Princess is on the front row, so she has to come around the field.
With Arboe running her last 800 in sections of 28.5 and 27.5 shows why Claudy had trouble making ground!
In the Oaks hot fav My Arya led and won, however Amarula and Little Miss Zigzag were both out late after being held up and made very fast ground on the winner. Looking forward to when My Arya doesnt lead and Amarula and Little Miss Zigzag get a clear run.
Hot fav in the 2yo War Dan Destroyer gallopped at the start and was 127m from the winner Kyvalley Tinman who was a top run from the death seat giving Brent Lilley his 5th training success for the night and Anthony Butt his 4th winner for the night, top effort.
Charlie Runkle the standout for me, lost at least 50m after the start and only went down by 3.4m in 3rd place.

[squaregaiter]

So Vincennes simply too good in Bendigo Cup. Elegant Image-shocker. Unico Crown 2nd in great form, loves SS.
Gus An Maori won 3yo simply too good. Hopefully he can continue winning and live up to his InterDom winning mums talent, would be great to see Bryan Healy have another great trotter entertain us.
Arboe certainly showed us she can do her thing in Vic not just on the big Menangle track, she certainly can run. However in most of her races she has led and won or been in the death seat up the front. Having only had 6 starts i am looking forward for example at Melton, (or anywhere but Menangle) where she draws on the back row of the mobile and Claudys Princess is on the front row, so she has to come around the field.
With Arboe running her last 800 in sections of 28.5 and 27.5 shows why Claudy had trouble making ground!
In the Oaks hot fav My Arya led and won, however Amarula and Little Miss Zigzag were both out late after being held up and made very fast ground on the winner. Looking forward to when My Arya doesnt lead and Amarula and Little Miss Zigzag get a clear run.
Hot fav in the 2yo War Dan Destroyer gallopped at the start and was 127m from the winner Kyvalley Tinman who was a top run from the death seat giving Brent Lilley his 5th training success for the night and Anthony Butt his 4th winner for the night, top effort.
Charlie Runkle the standout for me, lost at least 50m after the start and only went down by 3.4m in 3rd place.




Good summary of the meetings Ash J
I was delighted to see the stewards were "on the ball" and had to look at the replay before declaring all clear in regard to Charlie and their conclusion that he did not make ground lololol on the field when he galloped oloololol…….that sure makes for a crossing your T’s and dotting your I’s ololloolololol
Look forward to a good race when Charlie, Sundons, Kyvalley & War Dan ( not necessary in that order) come off the front
As for the outstanding results of Brent Lilley, IMHO I think it will only improve for him because since he moved into his own property some 12 months ago and set it up from absolute scratch, and as he wanted, with 1000m oval track, 1000m straight track, pool and paddocks that keep all the horses happy, his results have over the past months have begun reaping the rewards from some of all his & his hard working team have put in.
Next of the 2yo's step out at Ballarat this week and if breeding/ families has anything to do with it then the unraced Keayang Yankee if she does everything right will be the interesting runner for me

[Maorisidol]

Good summary of the meetings Ash J
I was delighted to see the stewards were "on the ball" and had to look at the replay before declaring all clear in regard to Charlie and their conclusion that he did not make ground lololol on the field when he galloped oloololol…….that sure makes for a crossing your T’s and dotting your I’s ololloolololol
Look forward to a good race when Charlie, Sundons, Kyvalley & War Dan ( not necessary in that order) come off the front
As for the outstanding results of Brent Lilley, IMHO I think it will only improve for him because since he moved into his own property some 12 months ago and set it up from absolute scratch, and as he wanted, with 1000m oval track, 1000m straight track, pool and paddocks that keep all the horses happy, his results have over the past months have begun reaping the rewards from some of all his & his hard working team have put in.
Next of the 2yo's step out at Ballarat this week and if breeding/ families has anything to do with it then the unraced Keayang Yankee if she does everything right will be the interesting runner for me


Cheers Bruce, yes the Ballarat 2yo race will be interesting to see how the Keayang and the Maori horse go and further develop. They are both by Muscles Yankee and both come from the strong Maori maternal family, so are very closely related.
However both will have their work cut out with Melpark Merinda who covered a little extra ground early in her first race only being beaten by little Blitz, Calder Knight by a neck. I have no doubt she would have won with a little more luck early in that race. She has gate speed and if leads will be very hard to get past. Crown Dream has 2 half siblings Our Dreamlover and Royal Dream who both have loads of ability, this is his first mobile start after galloping at his first SS race so he hasnt had a chance to show he may have ability similar to his big brother and sister.

[Adaptor]

Two from the Maori Miss tribe on the one night.
The very promising Gus An Maori and Vincennes

Vincennes, traIned in Sydney by Blake Fitzpatrick for Pat Driscoll's Yabby Dams Farm stable won the Bendigo Bank Bendigo Trotters Cup last night, missing out the long standing track record held by A Touch of Flair by one tenth of a second. The five year old, by French stallion Ganymede from Showmethemaori, a member of the amazing Maori Miss tribe won its 15th race from only 39 starts driven by champion Kiwi driver Anthony Butt.


For results and video of the Bendigo Bank Bendigo Trotters Cup, click here: http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN060615&ms=vic#BNC06061508

[squaregaiter]

We may have seen the best 2yo filly in Victoria last night in Keayang Yankee with a awesome display that left no doubt as to how much better class she was than the rest of the field. After giving them 80 mts she still had the audacity to break 30 for the last and untouched going to the line ! Being the first foal from a mare that is a half-sister to the dam of Spider and a couple of the Illawong clan, maybe the female line is set to continue on for a few more decades with at least 2 more mares that keep producing top quality off spring. Her next foal ( also a filly) is a Majestic Son so more than likely will be even more precocious.

The next of the 2yo Trotters is the Vicbred Heats at Ballarat next week and we will get to see what some of us have been waiting for !
With what looks like a field of only 8 we will see Charlie, Kyvalley and the 2 that are out of the draw Sundons and Cruisin that will make it a very competitive race, throw in Skyflyer and Calder Knight it maybe a small field but the big guns are there ( with the exception of War Dan as he is not eligible to Vicbred)
In the fillies while Princess Phoenix will start the fav I would think it is wide open and barriers and manners will make for much of this 12 horse field so look forward to the final field and drawso both races should be great races to see and have a bob here or there.

[Messenger]

I think your previews have a chance of converting me Bruce, especially with the breeding info :D

[codywinnell]

THE HOLMFIELD
Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver Class Hcp
1 25112 FABRICATION Add to Blackbook D C Abrahams Nathan Jack 3T2 FR1
2 12169 ENDSINO Add to Blackbook A P Gath Kate Gath 3T2 FR2
3 s1152 AMARULA NZ Add to Blackbook M A Caldow John Caldow 3T5 FR3
4 21s22 ILLAWONG ARMSTRONG Add to Blackbook J N Quinlan Jodi Quinlan 3T3 FR4
5 15212 BLUE SKY COMMANDER NZ Add to Blackbook K E Manning Kerryn Manning 3T3 FR5
6 32968 BAD BOY LEROY Add to Blackbook W F White Ian White 3T1 FR6
7 s1213 VALLEY ESS JAY Add to Blackbook G L McDermott Chris Svanosio 3T2 FR7
---------- Second Row ----------
8 43111 MY ARYA NZ Add to Blackbook B A Lilley SCRATCHED 3T8 SCR
9 116s1 GUS AN MAORI Add to Blackbook C G Lewis Matthew Craven 3T3 SR1
10 211s5 ELJAYKAY PHOENIX Add to Blackbook D Aiken Josh Aiken (C) 3T4 SR2


Intriguing race Saturday night... spoke to Kerryn Manning this morning re Blue Sky Commander and I'd think it could improve significantly now that she's got to know the horse better (when it ran at Adelaide it had only been in her stable a couple of days).

My Arya is scratched but Brent Lilley said today she's A-OK just a bit tired from recent travels and racing. She'll be set for a shot at the boys in the Derby.

Eljaykay Phoenix not drawn well here but obviously if near his best goes very, very close.

Gus An Maori and interesting one ... obviously very well related, won a trial really well and then came out and won first-up in nice fashion. Looks to have loads of upside.

Tips/Thoughts?

[codywinnell]

PS: Of course Illawong Armstrong a huge chance too, as well as Amarula... looks very competitive.

[Maorisidol]

We may have seen the best 2yo filly in Victoria last night in Keayang Yankee with a awesome display that left no doubt as to how much better class she was than the rest of the field. After giving them 80 mts she still had the audacity to break 30 for the last and untouched going to the line ! Being the first foal from a mare that is a half-sister to the dam of Spider and a couple of the Illawong clan, maybe the female line is set to continue on for a few more decades with at least 2 more mares that keep producing top quality off spring. Her next foal ( also a filly) is a Majestic Son so more than likely will be even more precocious.

The next of the 2yo Trotters is the Vicbred Heats at Ballarat next week and we will get to see what some of us have been waiting for !
With what looks like a field of only 8 we will see Charlie, Kyvalley and the 2 that are out of the draw Sundons and Cruisin that will make it a very competitive race, throw in Skyflyer and Calder Knight it maybe a small field but the big guns are there ( with the exception of War Dan as he is not eligible to Vicbred)
In the fillies while Princess Phoenix will start the fav I would think it is wide open and barriers and manners will make for much of this 12 horse field so look forward to the final field and drawso both races should be great races to see and have a bob here or there.

Yes wasnt that Keayang filly impressive, what a debut, looking for to her future races.
I think the Ballarat race is a 4 way race for the boys as you said, hopefully they all trot and we get to see a great competition, im liking Sundons Courage, his last effort after breaking was big to b so close at the end. having said that Charlie is getting betteras is Kyvalley Tinman who proved very tough last start.
The fillies is all about Phoenix, but Social Fireball was held up bad last start against the boys with plenty to offer, im looking forward to see her odds-but dont tell anyone!!
War Dan is racing at Menangle on Tues in the Breeders Challenge against the whole NSW 2yo contingent so should be good viewing.

[squaregaiter]

I am a big fan of Sundons Courage Ash also, however he has a terrible natural action, almost like a dog walker, and I think that maybe as the pressure comes on in the better fields this may test him, and you add the unfortunate place has got himself in being ODM leaves me split between Charlie and Kyvalley,unlike the fillies I think this will be a tactical race and while Charlie is my pick, if Kyvalley gets to the lead then I think it will be all over based on his strong USA family.
The fillies I totally agree and because you would need to take under the odds on them behaving themselves my preference would be to have a bob for the drum on something at odds. Had the likes of Chris Alford or Haydon Grey been on A Nip Will Do ( no disrespect to the trainer as he is a excellent horseman) then this little filly would have been a roughy as she is safe and honest so I will be watching ollolololool

[squaregaiter]

Intriguing race Saturday night... spoke to Kerryn Manning this morning re Blue Sky Commander and I'd think it could improve significantly now that she's got to know the horse better (when it ran at Adelaide it had only been in her stable a couple of days).

My Arya is scratched but Brent Lilley said today she's A-OK just a bit tired from recent travels and racing. She'll be set for a shot at the boys in the Derby.

Eljaykay Phoenix not drawn well here but obviously if near his best goes very, very close.

Gus An Maori and interesting one ... obviously very well related, won a trial really well and then came out and won first-up in nice fashion. Looks to have loads of upside.

Tips/Thoughts?[/QUOTE]


Going to be a good race , I like Illawong Armstrong from Amarula and at double figure odds Fabrication with his best draw for a while each way....., lay of the night I think is the favorite.- Blue Sky Commander....big step up in class and pressure ....mind you that could be because I drive a gogomobile and bookies drive Rolls Royce's
best bet of the night for me is On Thunder Road, since this guy woke up and said to himself I want to race with REAL horses and became a squaregaiter he is flying, don't really like the bandage he carries near side on the hock however just love the way he can be driven around the corners and this in itself puts him to great advantage over many he races against here, should help mums already impressive record as a broodie
for the final race surely Miracle must return to his earlier days and win.

[Messenger]

Intriguing race Saturday night... spoke to Kerryn Manning this morning re Blue Sky Commander and I'd think it could improve significantly now that she's got to know the horse better (when it ran at Adelaide it had only been in her stable a couple of days).

My Arya is scratched but Brent Lilley said today she's A-OK just a bit tired from recent travels and racing. She'll be set for a shot at the boys in the Derby.

Eljaykay Phoenix not drawn well here but obviously if near his best goes very, very close.

Gus An Maori and interesting one ... obviously very well related, won a trial really well and then came out and won first-up in nice fashion. Looks to have loads of upside.

Tips/Thoughts?


Going to be a good race , I like Illawong Armstrong from Amarula and at double figure odds Fabrication with his best draw for a while each way....., lay of the night I think is the favorite.- Blue Sky Commander....big step up in class and pressure ....mind you that could be because I drive a gogomobile and bookies drive Rolls Royce's
best bet of the night for me is On Thunder Road, since this guy woke up and said to himself I want to race with REAL horses and became a squaregaiter he is flying, don't really like the bandage he carries near side on the hock however just love the way he can be driven around the corners and this in itself puts him to great advantage over many he races against here, should help mums already impressive record as a broodie
for the final race surely Miracle must return to his earlier days and win.[/QUOTE]

Very cheeky Bruce but this is the Trotters Only In Here thread. The fact that he is a Bettors creates interest for pacing mortals (well this one at least)
Where was the Quote from, in the first half of your post?
Edit: I now see it was from Cody further up

[squaregaiter]

Very cheeky Bruce but this is the Trotters Only In Here thread. The fact that he is a Bettors creates interest for pacing mortals (well this one at least)
Where was the Quote from, in the first half of your post?
Edit: I now see it was from Cody further up[/QUOTE]


heheehehehheheh Kevin it was just for you ololloloolololol,glad you got a giggle out of it........ however you must be delighted also as Bettors had a fantastic night siring 4 winners !!! well it would have been only a treble for the night................. but he also sired a squaregaiter so that gave him the 4 ollolollolollollool

[Toohard]

Ash... The run of Illawong Armstrong on Saturday was to say the least phenomenal. Another 400ms and he nearly wins. Galloped, lost 100ms (at least?) caught field and still making ground at the end.

[Maorisidol]

Ash... The run of Illawong Armstrong on Saturday was to say the least phenomenal. Another 400ms and he nearly wins. Galloped, lost 100ms (at least?) caught field and still making ground at the end.

It certainly was Paul quite amazing really.
Cant wait to see him trot against these, may win by 50m?
Whats your thoughts on LJK? Seems to have lost it a bit???

[Maorisidol]

I am a big fan of Sundons Courage Ash also, however he has a terrible natural action, almost like a dog walker, and I think that maybe as the pressure comes on in the better fields this may test him, and you add the unfortunate place has got himself in being ODM leaves me split between Charlie and Kyvalley,unlike the fillies I think this will be a tactical race and while Charlie is my pick, if Kyvalley gets to the lead then I think it will be all over based on his strong USA family.
The fillies I totally agree and because you would need to take under the odds on them behaving themselves my preference would be to have a bob for the drum on something at odds. Had the likes of Chris Alford or Haydon Grey been on A Nip Will Do ( no disrespect to the trainer as he is a excellent horseman) then this little filly would have been a roughy as she is safe and honest so I will be watching ollolololool

A Nip Will Do $19.10 the place Bruce, hope you had a fiver on it!
Princess Phoenix now has no female opposition actually apart from the Keayang filly, that'll b a clash!
Charlie Runkle solid win again in the boys, run of the race was Cruisin Around he lost heaps of ground and only went down by 2.6m-massive run.
Next highlight Thu night at Geelong with 3 and 4yo Vicbred heats that sees some good racing but should be some Hot Favs dominate namely Endsino vs Reina Danzante in the 3yo fillies and Illawong Helios from barrier 2 looking for win 9 in a row.
The boys are way more even although if Illawong Armstrong can trot he could win by 50m...

[Toohard]

It certainly was Paul quite amazing really.
Cant wait to see him trot against these, may win by 50m?
Whats your thoughts on LJK? Seems to have lost it a bit???


Thought race was his for the taking in the run. Got going bit rough and galloped. Think was only his 2nd run back from little let up.

[squaregaiter]

YES Ash J threw 50 in the exotics and very happy going to bed olloolololol
Boys race was really as predicted, after the shock late scratching of Sundons Courage it really became a 3 horse race and while Cruisin Around seems to be a fantastic run you really have to take what was left in the race IMHO- keeping in mind also, it was a heat and they are 2yos J
The next and final of the heats will be run at Maryborough next week and again as it stands PP will start very short in the fillies and barring mishaps will win unless something can find 70 mts, unfortunately Keayang Yankee was withdrawn from the Vicbred series so she we won’t get to see the dual that is yet come soon L
The boys are different, the pool is small and unless a new one comes out of the Maryborough heats we really have seen the leading contenders for the final. The really disappointing news is Sundons Courage that was not only a late scratching but has a “stood down indefinite” against him now so until we see the Stewards report we will not know what happened there unless someone was there ???
War Dan was so tough yesterday and in tough conditions and to go down as he did it is most disappointing he is not a Vicbred and certainly gave us a insight into the NSW 2yo’s J

[Adaptor]

I started counting the tide of winners coming from Pat Driscoll's Yabby Dams Farms enterprise with various trainers over the past 3 weeks or so.

I think 8, but may have missed some:

May 30 Fiery Mountain Girl : NSW Derby
June 6 Vincennes: Bendigo Trotters Cup
June 12 Reina Danzante at Kimore
June 14 A Bitofmagic and Hosier Lane (pacer) at Bendigo
June 16 Parisian Chic, Justines Amore and Eilish Monarch at Menangle.

Have I mssed any?

[Njcstables]

I started counting the tide of winners coming from Pat Driscoll's Yabby Dams Farms enterprise with various trainers over the past 3 weeks or so.

I think 8, but may have missed some:

May 30 Fiery Mountain Girl : NSW Derby
June 6 Vincennes: Bendigo Trotters Cup
June 12 Reina Danzante at Kimore
June 14 A Bitofmagic and Hosier Lane (pacer) at Bendigo
June 16 Parisian Chic, Justines Amore and Eilish Monarch at Menangle.

Have I mssed any?

Arboe!

[Njcstables]

Glenferrie Burn

[Adaptor]

Thanks Nathan
Here's the revised Yabby Dams Farm winners list:
10 winners since May 30

May 30 Fiery Mountain Girl : NSW Derby
June 5 Arboe Melton
June 6 Vincennes: Bendigo Trotters Cup
June 12 Reina Danzante at Kimore
June 14 A Bitofmagic and Hosier Lane (pacer) at Bendigo
June 16 Parisian Chic, Justines Amore and Eilish Monarch at Menangle.
June 17 Glenferrie Burn at Shepparton

[Adaptor]

Make that 11 with Heavenly Sister at Kilmore last night

[Messenger]

There was only one pacing race in Vic this afternoon
Cough Cough
Cue trotting enthusiasts

[Adaptor]

Yabby Dam Farms update.
Thanks to eagle-eyed Leigh.

I missed Agent Maori at Fairfield on June 8
So since May 30, it's 13 winners for the Pat Driscoll team:
Here's the revised Yabby Dams Farm winners list:

May 30 Fiery Mountain Girl : NSW Derby
June 5 Arboe Melton
June 6 Vincennes: Bendigo Trotters Cup
June 8 Agent Maori: Fairfield
June 12 Reina Danzante at Kimore
June 14 A Bitofmagic and Hosier Lane (pacer) at Bendigo
June 16 Parisian Chic, Justines Amore and Eilish Monarch at Menangle.
June 17 Glenferrie Burn at Shepparton
June 19 Vincennes again, this time at Melton
June 20 Heavenly Sister at Kilmore

[doncht]

Good one on Heavenly Sister. I just didn't made the bet though. https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

[Maorisidol]

Just quickly, well done and well deserved Sundons Courage winning the 2yo boys Vicbred Final! Top run-trotted-had a good barrier-showed em whos boss! Didnt have a bet, but $8.50 for him, damn, wish i did!

[Messenger]

Lucky you posted Ash, after a full trotting program last night and one at Mary last week, I was thinking that I might have to close this thread out of a lack of interest :o

[Maorisidol]

Lucky you posted Ash, after a full trotting program last night and one at Mary last week, I was thinking that I might have to close this thread out of a lack of interest :o

Yes Kev was meaning to get on pre Maryborough but just didnt get around to it, anyway heres how i saw the finals night.

Race 1.
Pipe Me Home led all the way, quite impressive, i think the mobile and this distance suits her best, it was her best run to date.
Monica My Dear came home well,
Race 2.
Lindy Vale too good, thats it.
Race 3.
Claudys Princess 4yo mares, too good, wins her 3rd Vicbred great stuff. Illawong Helios had a hell draw, held up, flew home, would like to see a closer draw/competition sometime.
Race 4.
2yo fillies-Princess Phoenix way too good. Social Fireball a way better run this time 2nd. and keep an eye on The Cooler, will win a lesser race very soon after only her 3rd start.
Race 5.
FFA
Foray wins good run, Lord Liam first up great run for him against these looks like he may be going up a level potentially. Spider girl was held up bad and actually broke from being held with nowhere to go-promising from her, will be great to see the real Spider back.
Race 6.
3yo boys Fabrication great run racing super wins. Valley Ess Jay 2nd a tad disappointing for me, and of course Illawong Armstrong gallops loses heaps of ground comes home like a train 3rd.
Race 7.
4yo boys and Im Stately big run, 3 wide first 3/4 of a lap took lead and won his 2nd Vicbred after missing his 3yo series. Savannah Jayjay flew home after being held up about 3 or 4 pegs, maybe a good thing beaten?
Race 8.
3yo fillies and Reina Danzante wins, getting better each run had a cosy run behind leader. Endsino pulled very hard in death and that was too hard. In fact the other Gath horse also pulled like a train… Sky Petite great run for 2nd.
Race 9.
2yo boys and Sundons Courage shows great fight as he does and grabs favorite Cruising Around on the line after giving him a big start at the 600. Big Jack Hammer gets 3rd good improved effort. Shame Charlie Runkle was scratched.
Race 10.
Glenferrie Dreamer continues his newly refound form after an ordinary Menangle stint. Action Kosmos good run for runner up.
Race 11.
Monte. Top first Monte by Will Atone ran last 800 in 58.6 beating the in form Star Gun who came of 20m by about 15m. Matt Craven bought Will and has now had 5 starts for 3 wins a 2nd and a 4th! great stuff.
Race 12.
3yo Vicbred trot…Gus An Maori led won by 23m, end of story.

[Messenger]

Why would tonights mobile TM0+ at Melton for $20,505 only attract 6 acceptors?

[Adaptor]

It's nearly time for Trotting Heaven.
The Redwood Carnival at Maryborough with 3 days of trotting races.
Friday 31, Saturday August 1 and Sunday August 2.
Check out the MTC website:
http://maryboroughharness.com.au/redwood.htm

[Messenger]

Thought you were referring to Stawell on Wednesday Noel :)

[Messenger]

No wonder I got Maryborough mixed up with Stawell - there are 3 trots races at Stawell on Wednesday!

[Maorisidol]

No wonder I got Maryborough mixed up with Stawell - there are 3 trots races at Stawell on Wednesday!

Looks like a training double to Michelle Wight and a driving double to sister Kerryn Manning Kev.
And after you go to Stawell you'll be nicely warmed up for 4 Trotters races this Sat night at Melton!

[Messenger]

Roll on ....

[Maorisidol]

Great audio interview with Michael Taranto talking about Trotting- his "stable" on 3 different Continents, the future, Breeding and general state of play.
If this doesnt get you interested in squaregaiters (Mr. O'Donoghue) nothing will...
https://audioboom.com/boos/3377784-michael-taranto-prominent-harness-owner

[Messenger]

He is a good talker Ash.
What is probably more likely to get me interested was watching the 3yo trots race - the top 2 picks engaged in a bit of a war and not only looked impressive, they also looked bomb-proof.
I notice that like the winner of the 2yo Maori Legend, they were both sired by Skyvalley
I missed the Maori Legend as with 3 trots races in a row I thought I would zip down to the supermarket to pick up a few things :eek: I was lucky to see the 3yo as I only hurried to be back before the meals went off - I will not do that again as this trot was probably the race of the day

[Maorisidol]

This is one of the best things I've seen in a long time!!!
Watch the reaction of winning driver Scott Torney after the race���������������� winner paid $62.50...
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=EC230715&ms=vic#ECC23071508

[doncht]

Good one! Enjoyed that! https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile4.png

[Maorisidol]

REDWOOD DAY
I must say a little disappointing overall for the weekend as there weren’t as many races on either of all 3 days in comparison to last year.
I believe a restriction to how many times a horse can race in general effected this. (theres a whole new thread right there which i may open for discussion later)

So the Redwood was basically the Hot Fav leads and wins, Purdon steals the cash again, good on him.
Personally i was hoping for Sundons Courage to cross the Fav at the start and by George we would have had a race if he had.. As it was High Gaits first SS race i was crossing my fingers there might have been a slow beginning (or a bad one) and the Vic horse would have been half way home in my opinion. Subsequently he death seated and fought courageously as he does to go down by just 5m, with another 3m to the next Vic horse who sat on his back in the 1/1 Cruisin Around.
Missandei flew home for a very close 2nd and the other kiwi Conan Bridge also after being held up was a great run coming home with more to offer after the fat lady had performed!
In the Derby hot fav Speeding Spur dominated and was never in doubt really. After 3 scratchings from the front row, this left only 4 horses nosing the mobile barrier and 6 on the back row with the highly talented and highly erratic Illawong Armstrong coming out of 2 on the 2nd line and Speeding Spur out wide uninterrupted with clear running ahead.
And that he did, he ran clear from outside the back row straight to the pegs within less than 300m, game over. Illawong moved from near last to the death seat and showed us how to dislocate Jodi Quinlans arms, she finished the race with her cuffs up near her elbow joint and Illawong subsequently finished 52m from the $50,000 winners cheque. a shame he can’t be settled will be a waste of a great talent if he doesn’t pull his head in cos he’s too busy pulling his head off.
MASSIVE run Amarula-shes getting better and better-good work Mr Caldow. Track record to the winner 2:00.7 Mob 2690m
Didn’t see Fav until just before the race, he looks like a movie star and has a behind as big as Black Caviar, quite un Standardbred like in my opinion. However when he races he sticks his neck out and doesn’t look anything like pre race…
Should be unbeatable in Breeders Crown.
Credit to Tina Ridis with what she has done with Lovable Nick! He was going nowhere totally on his mark and now has had 9 starts for her 3 wins 3 places 3 4ths.
Same to Kylee Paull and her Monte efforts with maiden trotter Whiskey Business. He’s trotting under saddle against the likes of Cold Sister who gave him 30m headstart but this guys never won one race and he beat her home and others who have won about 14 races each. Whiskey who is a half brother to Derby winner I See Icy Earl seems to trot better in the Montes than under the sulky where he too often gallops, he has a good bit of ability and will win a race at big odds one day…maybe a Monte!

[Messenger]

Just saw a French monte race on Sky 2 Ash, confirmed my opinion that montes look ridiculous - make us look like a distant last compared to the gallopers as they look slow/awkward. Sorry but they cannot be part of our future

[squaregaiter]

Re Redwood Day
Been a long 5 weeks leading up to the meeting and loads of work but now it’s all over for another year and we have time to breathe ololoolololol ( and get back to the forum J)
Good summary Ash of the meeting however there are a couple of things I did thought worth mentioning as well.
The Club was SHATTERED to have both Consolations taken from the program as was so many of the trainers & owners and daily I was told over the 3 days the participants would have done anything to have those races remain on the program and I am sure there will be that sort of response from the club when they are able to do so. The Redwood is both Traditional and Iconic and the meeting has the following and needs to be taken to the next level.

Like most on course our hearts were with the REAL LOCAL/s in Sundons Courage and in him finishing 3rd certainly gave us a good insight into the quality of our 2yos however High Gate was all the talk and proved just too good from the draw, having said that, I believe had Missandei drawn the front it would have proved a far different race as she has so much speed to burn and her run home proved just how tough she is considering all the extra ground that she covered and HER times would have blown all the others out of the race, I was before the race all hepped up on Conon Bridge trained by the most astute trainer in Peter Nairn but I thought he was somewhat disappointing IMHO as he saved considerable ground and couldn’t run the drum.
Speeding Spur, I don’t know what is going to beat this perfectly 1,2,3,4 balanced STAR ! what seems no one is giving him credit for is that Illawong served it up to him big time and not only was he able to treat that horse with contempt and make him puncture but in the run home toyed with the others- Amurala was a big run and again my heart was with her and for Bacardi Lindy but the star is Speeding Spur and what the heck can beat that horse ? he is awesome to watch with his total wanting to race and his will to win……..he is a STAR……..he needs to be promoted big time here each time he races-there’s a real draw card HRV !

Of the other races on the big day, the day started with a stirring hard slogging finish going to Lighting Calder that did set the day for really great racing the 2nd race was won by Beta Hanoverdachash and it should be mentioned the connections made a very generous donation to the fund raising for young Emily Hayes ( yes you can still buy tickets to help this little girl by contacting Mark) the Monte was made a little easy for the outsider of the David Aiken stable in Monsieur Deville after Kvintet Avenger galloped inside the 100 where both were having their first starts in a monte
Miracle dictated and found form and as mentioned Tina who could drive a broomstick she is going so well won with Loveable Nick and the final race, Maori Time was a fantastic first up run to win for the new trainer in Brent Lilley.
ROLL ON the Breeders Crown series
Biggest disappointment for me there looks like there is going to be no clash with High Gate, Messandei and Keyang Yankee ( just don’t know what has happened to her hope she is OK)

[Adaptor]

Bruce..do you know the reasons why there were no consolations for either the Redwood or the Victoria Trotte's Derby at Maryborough on the Sunday?
The program seemed to lack something without them
Odd's on favourites in both those races didn't do much to heighten interest.

[squaregaiter]

Bruce..do you know the reasons why there were no consolations for either the Redwood or the Victoria Trotte's Derby at Maryborough on the Sunday?
The program seemed to lack something without them
Odd's on favourites in both those races didn't do much to heighten interest.


Noel, after speaking to half a dozen people that should know my understanding is the 3 days were treated like a group of noms and the first to be done was the Redwood then the racing office made up the cards for the Fri and then the Sat. I am not sure IMHO that the iconic value of Redwood or the soul of tradition and how it is seen in the community that was taken into account to be frank and it was not only the Consolations but also the Mile deleted grrr


As for the favorites I thought High Gate was a tad short but the wraps and the draw really spelt out the price and the bookies got it right in that I think they finished up to $10 in finishing order so to speak as for the Derby 1.90/evens on the Spur was overs :) I did have 2 bob on the nose and thought it was generous oloolololol and if you think back to the last few years the winners have been short, I think it may have been the lack of the feel for the day that took interest away.............not to mention the sun didn't even come out and it was one of those winter days....................Friday was BEAUTIFUL as you know and the Sat was not bad either, but you cant control that as you know olololol

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=27337

French a boon for HRV

[squaregaiter]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=27337

French a boon for HRV


Certainly a boon for the TAB, how'd ya like a business that does $77 million turnover ( do the maths ololololol) and you pay the owner for their product a WHOLE $1.2 million ......wow and we get Sky 2 thrown in as well for all this to strip our turnover from a dog race with less than the turnover we have in our pool.


then you have the trotter that is bringing this money into the sport for everyone from the exported product and we are still getting far less stake money than the pacer................if you want to increase ownership etc of the trotter and you ALREADY have a export market to bring in revenue then one sure way would be to put more into prize money for that gait and not have the insult of having it so much less than the pacers-can you imagine what the French or for that matter the entire Scandinavians think when they see a program for Breeders where the trotters get less than half that of the pacers.

[Maorisidol]

teecee,

we had a few posts here about the Breeders Crown in the last few days that have disappeared, any idea why
Thnx.

[Messenger]

teecee,

we had a few posts here about the Breeders Crown in the last few days that have disappeared, any idea why
Thnx.

I found them in the Breeders Crown thread Ash.

[Maorisidol]

I found them in the Breeders Crown thread Ash.

Thnx Kev!

I guess he didnt read the 2 posts in question that ONLY spoke about the Trotters BC in the "Trotters ONLY in here..." thread...

[Messenger]

Looking through the Ballarat results tonight I noticed
Defence Got Jumped won his second race (this horse has been discussed before for his clever name)
It occurred to me that we missed a unique chance early in the year to get Wicked Subwoofer back down from QLD
and have both sire and son race against each other
I would think that hasn't happened too many times in Oz

(Resurrecting this thread as a Christmas present to Ash :D)

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA081215&ms=vic#BAC08121508

[barney]

I Agree that we need something better than Sky1 but before any of this happens we have to make sure the sport is a spectacle that people will want to watch, and at present time a lot of the races especially trotters are just not.
The first race last Friday at Bendigo 3yo trot every runner except i think 1 galloped at some stage some much more than once yet no action taken 2 false starts.
And now most of the same horses are in at Melton on Saturday night in $50.000 race.Unless they make huge in improvement in one week a repeat of that spectacle is on cards.

[Messenger]

With small mares being a thread topic on the forum - I just have to know if the 3yo Trotting Gelding Shetland is tiny
(He has won his last 2 including today at Maryborough)

[Adaptor]

The Trotting Monte...as a non-betting race before or after the main card?

Have a look at last nights Monte at Ballarat.http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA181215&ms=vic
Six starters, three finished more than 160 metres behind the winners, and the third horse over the line was disqualified.

Good luck to Glenn Sharp and Warren Cochrane who have Gidah going very well.....but is this racing what we want see? ..especially if the vision is exported to France.

[Messenger]

I have to admit to having only ever watched one Monte race

[barney]

I Agree that we need something better than Sky1 but before any of this happens we have to make sure the sport is a spectacle that people will want to watch, and at present time a lot of the races especially trotters are just not.
The first race last Friday at Bendigo 3yo trot every runner except i think 1 galloped at some stage some much more than once yet no action taken 2 false starts.
And now most of the same horses are in at Melton on Saturday night in $50.000 race.Unless they make huge in improvement in one week a repeat of that spectacle is on cards.

Watched this race and was plesently surprised not much galloping and not a bad spectacle didnt seem to be the same urgency at the start and horses not pushed out and given time to settle.

[Messenger]

Final 4 races as trots at Ballarat tonight (for France) hasn't really worked out with the small fields

[Messenger]

Bold Eagle's winning MR in the Prix d'Amerique was a touch under 1.54.9 for 2700m walk up start.
That is not much more than Keystone Del's 1720 MS record at Melton. Vastly different tracks of course.
I am becoming a fan Ash

(I wonder what the French make of our telecasts to them when they are used to such reliable trotters and such quality pics)

[Messenger]

I know how much you appreciate the trotters nowadays Rich, so I wondered if you had noticed that Christmas and Easter Jolt's dam was the consistent trotter Christmas Cullen who was placed more than 50% of her starts, won 8 races and came 2nd in a Vic Oaks
I think Christmas Cullen may have been the only Christian Cullen trotter in Australia and a mare Power In Motion may have been his only trotter over in NZ

[Messenger]

Super Zeck won the Trotters Cup at Charlton today
I can only find half a dozen other trotters by Modern Art with half of them closing in on $100k and only one not making $25k

[Messenger]

The start of the Trotters Cup at Menangle was a low on the day - I hope the French were not watching - maybe we need walk up starts from the infield like they do at Vincennes

[Messenger]

Maorisfavouritesun took on the pacers at Terang tonight and gave them a beating. With all the trotting races we have nowadays - this is a bit of a rarity

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=TE090316&ms=vic

[Messenger]

At tonight's big night of trotting at Melton, Majestic Son sired FOUR of the winners (three of them Gp races)

[Hermione]

And super broodmare had 2 1sts and a 2nd :) Cyclone Lucky Seven and Glenferrie Typhoon

[Messenger]

The last five races at Shep tonight are all Trots. I am guessing this is going to France.
The last leg of the Quaddie is a 2yo trot! You either bank on the well bred first starter off the pole or you have to go wide

[Bradley]

I have a soft spot for trotters but i dont bet on them no more as mine always seem to gallop

[Messenger]

The first race at Melton tomorrow - the 2yo trot sees half the field (4/8) sired by Bacardi Lindy

http://www.harness.org.au/form.cfm?mc=MX180516#1

[Messenger]

According to HRA, last night was supposed to have been the NSW Trotters Derby - what happened to it?

http://www.harness.org.au/results/index.cfm?event=resultsIndex&search_type=daily

[djgood]

Only 5 nominations for the race , so they will hold it later in the year hopefully,


According to HRA, last night was supposed to have been the NSW Trotters Derby - what happened to it?

http://www.harness.org.au/results/index.cfm?event=resultsIndex&search_type=daily

[Messenger]

Thanks David - I'm surprised Yabby Farm alone didn't have that many to send up!

[Maorisidol]

Thanks David - I'm surprised Yabby Farm alone didn't have that many to send up!

Kevo!!!
Just popped in to see whats happening in here and low and behold the old Trotters have had a recent post so i thought id give my 2cents worth of what i read in Social Media...
I do believe the recent NSW Trotters Oaks which had a great field was at nominations a Group 1 event, as expected. However i believe from what i read on Twitter that AFTER noms had closed the race was changed to a G2 because the Stakes were only 40k not 50k...
Therefore i also believe that the NSW Trotters Derby was listed as a G2 @ 40k, so apparently not "worthy" of G1.
After Owners Trainers etc were "burnt" by the Oaks debacle, someone on Twitter sought clarification of wether the Derby would be G1 or G2 and therefore NSW got jack-all nominations!
In the Oaks there were 8 starters, 5 from VIC 1 QLD 1 NZ and a grand total of 1 NSW. You'd think they'd learn from their mistake!
An Oaks and Derby G2 paying 40k and not paying a pathetic extra 10k to make them G1...pathetic, they deserve to have no-one nominate

[Messenger]

I agree Ash - great to hear from you

(Now we just need Rich to resurface)

[Messenger]

There is one $6k race on the otherwise $3.5k program at Geelong today - it is the monte. If it really deserved the extra prize money, it would not be race 1

[Adaptor]

Just had a look at the breeding of the 2yo trotting fillies in the heats of the Vicbred Super Series at Ballarat on Tuesday night.

Some very well related little girls there....and one ripping name (Probably courtesy of co-breeder Paul Graydon)...Derrie Ayre.....Bacardi Lindy from Gluteus Maximus, in Heat one.

[Messenger]

The difference between Victoria and NSW when it comes to trotting fields is illustrated by the large fields in the Vicbred Super series at Ballarat tonight compared to the ridiculous 3 and 4 horse Challenge finals (Gp2!) at Menangle on Sunday

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=PC260616

[aussiebreno]

The difference between Victoria and NSW when it comes to trotting fields is illustrated by the large fields in the Vicbred Super series at Ballarat tonight compared to the ridiculous 3 and 4 horse Challenge finals (Gp2!) at Menangle on Sunday

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=PC260616
I wonder where all the Sydneysiders who complained about fields at Coolamon ANZAC day meetings are at now?

[Messenger]

Another great story by Michael Howard about 3yo Fillies Final aspirant Into The Unkown R3 tonight

In case you missed it

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Lewis-s-Unknown-filly

[Messenger]

Angus Hall and Bacardi Lindy both sired two Gp1 winners tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX010716&ms=vic

We have a Bacardi Lindy thread in the Breeding Forum that could use an update

http://www.harnessracingforum.com/showthread.php?7240-Bacardi-Lindy&highlight=bacardi+lindy

[Messenger]

Hey Rich it is happening!
Sebastian K available in Aus

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/HRNSW-Media-Release---Champion-Swedish-trotter-available-for-NSW-breeders

[Messenger]

4 trots in a row at Bendigo last night for the French market
4 favourites successful

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN200716&ms=vic

[Messenger]

Interesting to see the American horse Waiting Room in the R1 trot at YV today (I know it is now her 6th Aussie start but I am not a regular follower of the trotters)
I wish the Cathels good luck with this future broodmare
I looked her line up on ClassicFamilies and see that she is from family U1
It is a fairly strong arm of the family but it would seem the preferred arm of the family would be through Keystone Profile the half sister to Waiting Room's 4th dam (Semalu Bleue)

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10034177

I also noticed that T6 assessed Uetliberg is taking on the pacers in the R2 C0. IMO it does not seem to happen as often as it used to

[Messenger]

I also noticed that T6 assessed Uetliberg is taking on the pacers in the R2 C0. IMO it does not seem to happen as often as it used to

Probably due to the fact that they very rarely have the turn of speed that all the pacers seem to have nowadays

[Messenger]

Wednesday must be French night - another 4 trots in a row at Shep tonight

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=SP270716&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

Cuban Fizz - 3 wins in 11 days NICE

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP270716&ms=vic#SPC27071605

[Messenger]

Another French night at Melton tomorrow with another 4 in a row

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MX290716&fromstate=vic

[Amlin]

An entertaining race is assured at Globe Derby Park on Monday

[Messenger]

Tough mark over the short distance for a horse that has not won for 18mths

[Messenger]

OMG the 2yo trot tonight did zilch for trotting

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX290716&ms=vic#MXM29071609

[Messenger]

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=EC030816&fromstate=vic#4

One stable has 5/7 runners (was 6/8)

Seems ridiculous

[Messenger]

Derby day at Maryborough tomorrow/today
Strangely the Fields are not showing any scratchings (at midnight as I write this) but the Form Guide is showing 3 scratched including the favoured Wilmas Mate

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MH070816&fromstate=vic#8

[Messenger]

This is a bad mistake in the form guide
Still showing 1,9,10,13 Scratched

http://www.harness.org.au/form.cfm?mc=MH070816#8

I will assume the fields and TAB to be correct and the only scratching is the Em 12

[Messenger]

Great to see Illawong Byron win the Redwood and keep some money in Australia (especially after Mark Purdon cut the corner)
I looked back in his dam line and could not see where the ability may trace to (obviously Muscle Mass who sired the quinella has something to do with it LOL)
- then I noticed an old favourite Just Money (1962) in the family A139. This is one of the horses responsible for my love of harness - he won a heap of races when I was a teenage punter (50c)

Made me think - maybe Maori's Idol being the sire of Illawong Byron's grandam has something to do with his ability for we all know that Maori's is really by Bank Note and of course you can guess who was the sire of the beautifully named Just Money

Not much else to see in A139 except for a handy little horse called Flashing Red who won a couple of MILLION

[Adaptor]

ILLAWONG BYRON
There's more to Illawong Byron than meets the eye.
Firstly: Maoris Idol. Then Medoro, a beautuifully bred iport from Italy, and the Legendary 1920's trotter Grand Voyage are there. ..through the Goulburn Valley sire Golden Medoro.

Then theres the SJs Photo dam: http://www.classicfamilies.net/CF/ClassicCrosses.aspx?HorseID=10017335

and the sire Muscle Mass, world record 2T ½mile track T1:53.4 US in 2007.
http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Trotting-breeders-miss-the-boat-with-Muscle-Mass

No fluke !

[Messenger]

I do not think I was saying it was a fluke Noel.
I mentioned Muscle Mass, highlighted Maori's Idol and could have mentioned all the sires in her pedigree
but looking at his dam line noted the scarcity of stars and chose to ponder the possible Bank Note connection

[Adaptor]

I wonder how many pedigrees of very good trotters are unable to be corrected due to the Bank Note/Ike Frost uncertaintly.

Looks like Just Money was one of the first crop of Bank Note ( season 1962-63). There are 25 foals listed. Little Interest was our of the same crop. Two very well named horses!!

[Messenger]

Hopefully HRA will be true to their word Noel and investigate it further in a couple of years when advances in DNA testing will have occurred

[Messenger]

The first 3 trots races on Crown day have not been good advertisements for the gait with Dan's call in R3 "that a couple of them have made mistakes" needing correcting to ' a couple of them did not make mistakes'. At least the first two were good battles and maybe the 3yoC&Gs in R9 can show good manners

[jake80]

Congrats Rando stable at Menangle tonight with Sunset Tour....now nearing $100k prize money. Luv watching u Anzac!

[Messenger]

What has become of the meetings that would have 4 trots races in a row to beam into France - I do not remember seeing one for a while
(noticed tonight's Melton has 3 trots scattered through the program)

[codywinnell]

What has become of the meetings that would have 4 trots races in a row to beam into France - I do not remember seeing one for a while
(noticed tonight's Melton has 3 trots scattered through the program)



They'll be returning very soon, Kev. Stay tuned for media on the matter. France interested in increasing the number of trots races they take on a program.

[Messenger]

I won't waste my mobile broadband but when I get home I will be watching Gus An Maori's other wins because he looked sensational winning here at Horsham today.
You can guess the breeding

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=HS241016&ms=vic#HSC24101607

[Messenger]

They'll be returning very soon, Kev. Stay tuned for media on the matter. France interested in increasing the number of trots races they take on a program.

4 Trots on the program at Melton tomorrow night but scattered through the program - I am still tuned in for French news Cody

[Messenger]

I am assuming that tonight's meeting at Melton is for the French what with the last 4 races being trots and the fact that a night meet on a Monday is most unusual

[Messenger]

I see that we again have the Melton night meeting this Monday with the second half trots for the French and the same thing for most of Summer

[Messenger]

How exciting was Jilliby Outlaw's win in the Stawell Trotters Cup today
He began badly and gave the leader 50m start but watch the finish for yourself

Jilliby and his 4 previous dams were bred by Ray Chaplin of Equine Excellence who's outstanding reports on the problems in our harness racing you might remember as they have been posted on this forum

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SW041216&ms=vic#SWC04121607

ps 3rd placed El Paco is an 'uncle' to the winner

[Messenger]

There is some perfect symmetry in this story too, I had noticed if I went back one more generation, the breeder of Jilliby Outlaw's 5th dam was Dick Lee and Ray has told me that Dick lent him the mare which is how Ray came to breed the next 5 generations with Jilliby Outlaw ending up in Paddy's barn - Dick's nephew

[Messenger]

Jilliby Outlaw's 3yo half bro, Aballofmuscle, won his second start from 6 in a Platinum Home Grown at Melton last night. He was second outsider of the small field of 6 and paid the nice dividend of $12.40 (another bred by Ray)

[Messenger]

I never bet on trotters as their greater risk of breaking is a chance I do not need to take.
LOL today at Maryborough in the racebook competition to pick the last 5 races, I could not go past the accomplished trotter Endsino to beat an ordinary bunch of pacers
He actually started favourite but you can guess what he did as soon as the mobile released them

[Messenger]

Depending on the result of the VXAR, it might be a while before Sky Majesty goes around $1.10 fav again
Led and left alone but could not run a place

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA190417&ms=vic#BAC19041707

[aussiebreno]

If doing the form for the open Trot at Bendigo on Sunday I would suggest watching the open trot from Maryborough on Thursday. Near identical fields.

[Messenger]

It is a Victorian thing Breno - going to my local tracks all within a couple of hours of each other, I would often think "I have seen this race before"

[Messenger]

Looking at the winning mile rates of the six 3yo Vicbred heats at Bendigo tonight, it is amazing how even they are:

Fillies 2.00.5 2.01.6 2.00.8
Colts 2.00.7 2.00.7 2.01.1

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN280617&ms=vic

[Messenger]

In the last 6 days we have had 26 trotting races in Vic

[KTQ]

In the last 6 days we have had 26 trotting races in Vic

Send some WA way - but only the higher prize money ones ;)

[Messenger]

$565k on offer for the trotters at Melton tonight - that's good bikkies

[Messenger]

First of the Gp1's goes to Kinvara Sue of 'Maori' bloodlines (the 4th dam is a half sis to you know who)

http://classicfamilies.net/HorseDetails.aspx?HorseID=10190136

[Messenger]

Second of the Gp1's goes to Moonshine Linda of 'Maori' bloodlines (the 3rd dam is a half sis to you know who)

http://classicfamilies.net/HorseDetails.aspx?HorseID=10192316

(How quick is John at updating the records!)

[Messenger]

There is a pattern developing
Maorisfavouritesun is in the next (a Gp3) and Maori Law is in the next Gp1 (R6)

[Messenger]

Gp 3 winner Maorisfavouritesun's 4th dam is a half sis to you know who

[Messenger]

I forgot about Posseidon (R7) being from THE family - there is a possibility that we could see the same family produce 5 Group winners in a row (that would have to be a World first)

[Messenger]

Maori Law, a good thing beaten
Am I being tough in saying that Gavin just had to keep him out of trouble and didn't.
Considering him Australia's best driver I most likely am - I would have loved to have seen history made

[KTQ]

Pretty interesting :)

[Messenger]

A good article by Michael Howard on the Maori Miss dynasty. I thought he may have mentioned the Vicbred Super Series the other week (see above) and don't be fooled by the first sentence - it may have been a yearling sale but Yendarra Hall was no yearling in 1958

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=34264

The Maori Legend for 2yo trotters at Stawell tomorrow has received a $4k kick and is worth $14k

ps I wonder what became of Ash (Maorisidol) who started this thread

[Adaptor]

A good article by on the Maori Miss dynasty. I thought he may have mentioned the Vicbred Super Series the other week (see above) and don't be fooled by the first sentence - it may have been a yearling sale but Yendarra Hall was no yearling in 1958

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=34264

The Maori Legend for 2yo trotters at Stawell tomorrow has received a $4k kick and is worth $14k

ps I wonder what became of Ash (Maorisidol) who started this thread

Yendarra Hall, by Loreto was foaled in 1953, so the sale she was purchasd from must have been a mixed sale.
Loreto , imported from Italy but with all US bloodlines, might be a key to the genes that flow through this amazing family, although Grand Monarch ( Light Brigage from a U Scott mare, from a Wrack mare), certainly contributes.

[Messenger]

Most appropriate that one of 'the family' won The Maori Legend today
Smashthemcalder sat in the death and poured on the pressure in the final lap while the long odds on fav opted to wait for the sprint lane. Gavin received a QDT but must have thought More Shades Of Gold was not up to going 3W after not racing for 7 weeks

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SW200717&ms=vic#SWC20071708

Discovered one of the advantages of a 10 race progam today - I had somewhere to be at 2pm but was able to take in 5 races plus lunch and still get there (Stawell is lucky to have such a good bistro - 7 days a week, I think)

ps There was a fair chance of a Maori winning the Legend as 3/7 runners are descendants

[Messenger]

Plenty of Maori blood on sale at Shep on Sunday

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=34277

[Messenger]

It is Redwood day at Maryborough on Sunday
A big program of trotting with 10 races - 9 of which have full fields (only drawback - a few too many 40 min gaps for my liking)
Here are the fields

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MH060817&fromstate=vic

And here is the Stand trials for the Redwood Classic

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=34351

Brenno is not going to be happy about the spoon-feeding :D

[arlington]

And here is the Stand trials for the Redwood Classic

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=34351

Brenno is not going to be happy about the spoon-feeding :D

Not sure if soon feeding with a three horse trial back in February or March is helpful but -

There's one missing...Ad Hominem

[Messenger]

Broodmare Miss Impromptu only has 2 on the track so far but they came within a neck of pulling off a running double in Races 2 &3 at Maryborough today
4yo No Transactions was narrowly beaten while 3yo Our Quick Cash won by 25m

They both started slightly better than even money favs and have the same connections but while John Tormey is also the trainer of No Transactions, Scott Dyer is looking after Our Quick Cash

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH040817&ms=vic#MHC04081706

[trish]

How good is this little kid. Well done everyone involved with him.




Results - Race 6 MARYBOROUGH 6 August 2017 http://www.harness.org.au/images/Play_TV.png (http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=VIC&raceCode=MHC06081709)
SEELITE WINDOWS & DOORS REDWOOD CLASSIC (GROUP 1) Race code: MHC06081709 Stakes: $50,000 Gait: TROTTERS Class: Trotters 2YO (GROUP 1) 2,190 METRES STANDING STARTPl HorsePrize-
moneyHcpRow &
BrTAB
# Trainer Driver
( C = Concession )Mgn
(m)Starting
oddsStewards'
Comments

Expln (http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-comments-explain.cfm?stateName=VIC)
1WOBELEE (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=794740) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH060817&ms=vic#void) FTSr19A M AlfordC A Alford $ 1.40 fav PRS FBS LCD L 1 SWAB BAY GELDING 2 by DOWN UNDER MUSCLES (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm) out of TUPENNY BIT (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm)
Owner(s): C W (Colin) Murphy
Breeder(s): Bromfield Park Pty Ltd 2REGAL ASSASSIN NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=808761) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH060817&ms=vic#void) FTSr412K P CotchinG R Sugars 32.60 $ 54.60 BAS CODS 2 3OUR RENEZMAE NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=803255) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH060817&ms=vic#void) FTFr66J D HarringtonJ J Caldow 36.90 $ 15.50 PRS 3

[aussiebreno]

How good is this little kid. Well done everyone involved with him.




Results - Race 6 MARYBOROUGH 6 August 2017 http://www.harness.org.au/images/Play_TV.png (http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=VIC&raceCode=MHC06081709)
SEELITE WINDOWS & DOORS REDWOOD CLASSIC (GROUP 1) Race code: MHC06081709 Stakes: $50,000 Gait: TROTTERS Class: Trotters 2YO (GROUP 1) 2,190 METRES STANDING STARTPl HorsePrize-
moneyHcpRow &
BrTAB
# Trainer Driver
( C = Concession )Mgn
(m)Starting
oddsStewards'
Comments

Expln (http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-comments-explain.cfm?stateName=VIC)
1WOBELEE (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=794740) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH060817&ms=vic#void) FTSr19A M AlfordC A Alford $ 1.40 fav PRS FBS LCD L 1 SWAB BAY GELDING 2 by DOWN UNDER MUSCLES (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm) out of TUPENNY BIT (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm)
Owner(s): C W (Colin) Murphy
Breeder(s): Bromfield Park Pty Ltd 2REGAL ASSASSIN NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=808761) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH060817&ms=vic#void) FTSr412K P CotchinG R Sugars 32.60 $ 54.60 BAS CODS 2 3OUR RENEZMAE NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=803255) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH060817&ms=vic#void) FTFr66J D HarringtonJ J Caldow 36.90 $ 15.50 PRS 3
He has a bit on the rest of them. Blitzemcalder is the previous winningest 2yo trotter I could think of and with a win in the Breeders Crown Wobolee would go past him for highest 2yo trotter prizemoney. I would think that would put him number one on the all time list??

[Messenger]

He has a bit on the rest of them. Blitzemcalder is the previous winningest 2yo trotter I could think of and with a win in the Breeders Crown Wobolee would go past him for highest 2yo trotter prizemoney. I would think that would put him number one on the all time list??

I can see Down Under Muscles attracting a few more than 7 services this season at this price

http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/studs/ELDARIN.HTM

[Messenger]

'Trots' are returning to Tassie next year

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Trotting-to-resume-in-Tasmania

[Messenger]

I know Ray Chaplin of Equine Excellence is suggesting the VSTA lobby HRV and HRA to reinstate the traditional handicapped INTER DOMINION Series for trotters rotating between Australia (Victoria)and New Zealand

It is his opinion that the concept of the Southern Star does not have the prestige and marketing power of the Inter Dominion brand

I think he is right in saying handicapped racing creates the opportunity for highly exciting competition which is the missing element of harness racing today

Your thoughts?

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We must be telecasting to France again what with the last 4 races at Kilmore tonight all being trots

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Vale Bob Conroy.
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35743

I thought it only fitting this was posted here.
Deepest and sincere condolences to the Conroy family. A wonderful man for the sport in so many ways.

A beautiful read http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35745

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Another first starter from the Maori line going around in R3 at Bendigo tonight

I thought this interesting cross may have scored more on my Pedigree Partner.
due to the duplication of Valley Victory on the sire's bottom line and the dam's top line
Does anybody know if the line breeder's preference would have been for VV to be in Crowning Point's posn for the sire's dam?