Trotters Only in Here...

[Adaptor]

Another first starter from the Maori line going around in R3 at Bendigo tonight

I thought this interesting cross may have scored more on my Pedigree Partner.
due to the duplication of Valley Victory on the sire's bottom line and the dam's top line
Does anybody know if the line breeder's preference would have been for VV to be in Crowning Point's posn for the sire's dam?

Have anther look Kev.
The 3yo is by a son of Muscles Yankee from a daughter of Muscles Yankee....but both the sire and dam are out of Chiola Hanover mares.
Pretty tight breeding !

[Messenger]

Thanks Noel, that one is somewhat of a mirror image of itself!

[Messenger]

I kept going and found that Sonetto and Star Gazing have the same 3rd dam and both arms of the family have produced

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10002348

[Adaptor]

Vale Bob Conroy.
http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35743

I thought it only fitting this was posted here.
Deepest and sincere condolences to the Conroy family. A wonderful man for the sport in so many ways.

A beautiful read http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35745

In a fitting tribute to Bob Conroy tonight, the Bendigo Club have retrieved Lincoln Star’s 1978 Bendigo Cup winning colours from the History collection and with Steward’s permission are using them as the club colours.
Glenn Sharp has 2 runners in the race, so one driver will be racing in Bob’s colours. The others will be adding black armbands.

[Showgrounds]

In a fitting tribute to Bob Conroy tonight, the Bendigo Club have retrieved Lincoln Star’s 1978 Bendigo Cup winning colours from the History collection and with Steward’s permission are using them as the club colours.
Glenn Sharp has 2 runners in the race, so one driver will be racing in Bob’s colours. The others will be adding black armbands.

Nice touch by Bendigo.

Very saddened by Bob's passing. I was driving somewhere out the back of whoop-whoop on Tuesday afternoon when the radio news reported an 88 year-old man had died when he was driving a horse "in a lightweight sulky" in Hepburn Regional Park. No names, no mention that the horse might be a standardbred. I knew enough from that brief story who the man would be; confirmed yesterday morning. He was doing what he loved, which is a blessing.

I remember Bobby winning a metropolitan class pacers race in the early '70's with Mary Beverley, a grand mare who came back from an injury (broken pedal bone, I think). After a spell, Bob has converted her to a trotter and enters her first up on no less a race as the V L Dullard Cup! Plenty of 20/1 was offered (and taken) by the bookies. Bob jumped her straight to the front and that's where she stayed! One of the all-time great training performances.

A truly non-conformist trainer and great horseman, great gentleman and will be sadly missed.

[Messenger]

Another first starter from the Maori line going around in R3 at Bendigo tonight

I thought this interesting cross may have scored more on my Pedigree Partner.
due to the duplication of Valley Victory on the sire's bottom line and the dam's top line
Does anybody know if the line breeder's preference would have been for VV to be in Crowning Point's posn for the sire's dam?

Maori Queen's sister was in the R7 trot and paid nearly $53 !

[Messenger]

Seriously how can a young trotter who is anything but fool-proof go around at the odds of $1.20

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH221217&fromstate=vic#MHC22121708

[aussiebreno]

I absolutely love Sparkling Success. Was on track in Feb 2016 when it was having its second or third start. Lights went out that night too and Sparkling Success was in last race. It was the final of a T0 or T1 after heats. John Meade had been suspended a week or two earlier for a howler of a drive and Gav Lang was on. I really liked its run in the heat, and while not thinking it could go on to group 1s thought it was easily bet of the night. Was paying about $6 but galloped out and gave them about 40m, I thought it was all over. Got up in the last stride. On track pokies got a good workout that night! Followed it ever since and probably rates as my favourite horse going around right now despite not really following trotters all too closely.

[Messenger]

Didn't you love how keenly contested the race was. The running line reminded me of a pursuit cycling team rotating to share the load of cutting the breeze

[arlington]

I absolutely love Sparkling Success. Was on track in Feb 2016 when it was having its second or third start. Lights went out that night too and Sparkling Success was in last race. It was the final of a T0 or T1 after heats. John Meade had been suspended a week or two earlier for a howler of a drive and Gav Lang was on. I really liked its run in the heat, and while not thinking it could go on to group 1s thought it was easily bet of the night. Was paying about $6 but galloped out and gave them about 40m, I thought it was all over. Got up in the last stride. On track pokies got a good workout that night! Followed it ever since and probably rates as my favourite horse going around right now despite not really following trotters all too closely.

Is this the race Breno? http://media.harness.org.au/vic/MXM19021610.mp4 Love the romance but poor old John Meade, sometimes Gavvy gets too much credit. :p

possible edit: bromance :D

[aussiebreno]

Is this the race Breno? http://media.harness.org.au/vic/MXM19021610.mp4 Love the romance but poor old John Meade, sometimes Gavvy gets too much credit. :p

possible edit: bromance :D

That was the race and if you listen closely you can hear me barracking in the audio :p ! Unfortunately my recollection was wrong but I blame that on celebrating the win too hard! Well done J Meade!

[Adaptor]

I absolutely love Sparkling Success. Was on track in Feb 2016 when it was having its second or third start. Lights went out that night too and Sparkling Success was in last race. It was the final of a T0 or T1 after heats. John Meade had been suspended a week or two earlier for a howler of a drive and Gav Lang was on. I really liked its run in the heat, and while not thinking it could go on to group 1s thought it was easily bet of the night. Was paying about $6 but galloped out and gave them about 40m, I thought it was all over. Got up in the last stride. On track pokies got a good workout that night! Followed it ever since and probably rates as my favourite horse going around right now despite not really following trotters all too closely.

With Chris Svanosio being a Bendigo driver , I just had to add this:
The Great Southern Star, and Maori Mile winner Sparking Success is a 12th generation descendent of an 1888 Bendigo trotter.

Sparkling Success is a member of the A13 family, known as the FAIR NELL family
Fair Nell, foaled in 1888 by General Jackson from a buggy mare, was a trotting winner at the Bendigo Jockey Club’s Epsom Racecourse.
She was owned by Sandhurst mining millionaire Sam Lazarus of Homebush Estate, just 5 km from Lord’s Raceway.
Homebush, once a property of 2000 acres is opposite the Farmer’s Arms Hotel in Junortoun.

As well as Sparkling Success, other members of the FAIR NELL FAMILY include:
1911 Victorian Trotters Sires Produce winner Lady Edna
1937 Interdominion winner Dan’s Son
1963 NSW Trotter’s Derby, Admirals Last
1970 Interdominion winner Bold David

and the top trotters:
Downsouth Clare 1:59.2TT $101,313, Game Ebony 2:03 $181,63
Trapper’s Salute 1:54.5 $222,685, Trapper’s Puzzle 1:57.7 $122,120
Will Trapper 1:59.9 $266,000

[David Martin]

Thanks Noel. That's a really interesting posting - amazing to have that history. It was lovely to see the John/Chris team and hear them talk of what the win meant to them.

[Adaptor]

Thanks Noel. That's a really interesting posting - amazing to have that history. It was lovely to see the John/Chris team and hear them talk of what the win meant to them.

Thanks for the post David, It's pretty amazing isn't it?
Chris Svanosio trains his team from Bruce Morgan's stables in McIvor Rd Junortoun. across from where the South Atlas Racecourse (renamed Jubilee Park in 1897) was , up until about 1907. It's site is where Gary Graham, and Trevor Monk have stables, and where the Domain Village is. Lord's Raceway is the next door neighbour of the site of the South Atlas Racecourse/Jubilee Park site. ( Hallowed ground?)

With the help of the amazing John Peck, and the Bendigo Library files of the Bendigo Adveriser, we are pretty sure that Sam Lazarus actually drove his trotters at South Atlas. He definitely won with FAIR NELL in a trot at the Bendigo Jockey Club course where there was a mile track raced on by The Sandhurst Trotting Club.
John Meade was particularly happy to get the history of the family of his great trotter. One of his texts mentioned that a humble dairy farmer was not in the league of a mining magnate. We think he is !

Sam Lazarus owner of FAIR NELL and his wife Mary ( nee Junor) hence Junortoun !

[Adaptor]

Using Classic Families, here's are the females in the descent from FAIR NELL to SPARKLING SUCCESS

0 Sparkling Success 2011 A13 Great Success Diamond Insitu
1 Diamond Insitu 2007 A13 CR Commando Mary Clare
2 Mary Clare 1996 A13 Keystone Crosby Idol Clare
3 Idol Clare 1991 A13 Maoris Idol Downsouth Clare
4 Downsouth Clare 1977 A13 Caliburn Lucy Clare
5 Lucy Clare 1965 A13 Raiders Design Winone Soon
6 Winone Soon 1961 A13 Scottish Star Dawnette
7 Dawnette 1944 A13 Wonga Pronto Ednas First
8 Ednas First 1936 A13 Dalla Derby Little Edna
9 Little Edna 1919 A13 Culloden Lady Edna
10 Lady Edna 1908 A13 Mauritius Sweet Nell
11 Sweet Nell 1901 A13 Honest Harold Fair Nell
12 Fair Nell 1888 A13 Stonewall Jackson from Polly (road mare)
13 Polly (road mare) 187- A13 Untraced sire (Aust) A13

[arlington]

That was the race and if you listen closely you can hear me barracking in the audio :p ! Unfortunately my recollection was wrong but I blame that on celebrating the win too hard! Well done J Meade!

Love it Breno! Hope you shouted J Meade a drink for the overs you got on the night :) Now that's good punting.

The last few weeks with Sparkling Success, John and Chris have been fantastic, starting with the declaration at Bendigo. Congrats all!

[Messenger]

A $25,000 Gp3 trot race at around 4pm on a Friday afternoon and still we get shunted to Sky 2
I suppose I cannot really blame Sky for the start delay (thus posting here) but we need a better arrangement with Sky - they seem to assume everyone has Sky 2 (they should make it free what with their regular shunting - I am not paying the $60 on principle)
Maybe it highlights the problem with stand starts.
(If it had been a French race, half the field would have been disqualified)

[Adaptor]

A $25,000 Gp3 trot race at around 4pm on a Friday afternoon and still we get shunted to Sky 2
I suppose I cannot really blame Sky for the start delay (thus posting here) but we need a better arrangement with Sky - they seem to assume everyone has Sky 2 (they should make it free what with their regular shunting - I am not paying the $60 on principle)
Maybe it highlights the problem with stand starts.
(If it had been a French race, half the field would have been disqualified)

Kev, The problem was the standing start !! Time for the SS in trotters races to go !

[Messenger]

We all know that the reason behind the Monday night Melton meets with the second half of the program all trots - is to capitalize on the French interest/turnover

What would they have made of R8 last night and how the favourite was allowed to keep the race

In France he would have been disqualified as soon as he galloped in the lead and "knocked over three quarters of the field"

I think they would have thought it was a "comedy show"

"quotes are from caller Dan Mieliki"

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX050218#MXC05021806

(thanks to the poster who alerted me to this one)

[Messenger]

1.51.5 a Trotter in Oz

Congrats to Maori Time's connections

(not a biggie but if they restrict the MM to 8, why are there 10 in the big trot mile)

[Messenger]

Nothing but Trots at Melton tonight - I wonder whether it works better than 2 weeks of half and half?

[Adaptor]

Any time the Trots gets a big splash in the newpaper for the right reasons is a cause to celebrate.
The Bendigo Advertiser devoted most of the back page, with more inside of their Friday edition to the ongoing feelgood story of the Cudgee Champ Sparkling Success and his Bendigo based driver Chris Svanosio.

Kudos to the Addy and their journalist Kieren Iles.

The article is here: http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5282885/svanosio-gets-chance-to-sparkle-in-new-york-city/?cs=81

[Messenger]

Maori Time off to Elitloppet

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Maori-Time-s-Elitloppet-adventure

[Messenger]

The great Ready Cash, leading European sire, 2 time winner of the Grand Prix d'Amerique, sire of Bold Eagle also dual winner of GPdA, has already had 2 starters in Oz but for only 2 starts in total - Thursday at Maryborough that number doubles as

2yoF Par Ici goes around in R4
and
2yoC Always Ready goes around in R9

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH100518&fromstate=vic

[Richard prior]

Both went okay Kev and should improve

[Messenger]

Australian hope Maori Time draws wide in iconic Elitlopp

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/elitloppet-2018-maori-time-draws-wide/

Elitloppet 2018: Humphreys sets the Solvalla scene

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/elitloppet-2018-luke-humphreys-sets-scene/

The field for the 2018 Elitloppet - a run down of all the runners

http://www.harnesslink.com/Europe/2018-Elitloppet

[Messenger]

4hrs until Maori Time Elitlopp heat tonight at 11.22pm AEST

At this point MT is $1.04 on the Vic tote but there is only $36 in the win pool ;)

[Messenger]

Watching an Australian trotter go around against Bold Eagle will really be something

[Messenger]

Watching Sky 1 coverage where we, albeit Sweden, are the main gig and are the main topic of conversation is what a Sky Harness channel could/should be. It helps that there is not a dog race being run every 5 minutes. Gee Adam Hamilton has been great for Harness Racing

[Messenger]

Wow, they moved a gallops races running 5 min late to Sky 2 (even if it was Turrfontein) so that we could have a 10 minute lead in to a trots race!

and we just had Adam Hamilton blurt out "Wow look at that!" when they gave us an overhead shot of the home straight

[Messenger]

As they have said, the latitude VIP Bold Eagle is being given to have him go around in his heat

[Messenger]

Hopefully not many stayed up to see both Bold Eagle and Maori Time blow it - sometimes I think harness racing here is cursed

[Beltane]

I was one of those poor folk who stayed up and continued to watch what was one of the biggest shambles ever. Elitlopp, nah Elitflop!

Bold Eagle should have been scratched and the race delayed. A disgrace!

[Showgrounds]

I watched one of the greatest performances ever by an Aussie in Europe last night.

Take a bow, Daniel Ricciardo!

[Grinder]

Just heard that Maori Time will finish her racing career in Europe.

[papagayo]

According to the official stats, Maori Time trotted the last 7/8ths of her race in 1:50 5/10ths so she most certainly proved herself despite not making it to the final

[Dot]

Also reading 53.44 from the 1200 to the 400 for Maori Time. Should continue to do Australia proud during her time in Europe. The discussion is she will conclude her career and be put in foal over there. Perhaps she will return carrying a little Bold Eagle!

Toohards son Luke has written an excellent review of the elitloppet here:

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/elitloppet-2018-bold-behaviour-untimely-gallop/


Bold Eagle may very well not have received the VIP treatment many perceived. Seemed there was a lot going on that many were not aware of, and a lot of which was perhaps misinterpreted by many on the day.

[Richard prior]

Great article by Luke Humphreys and I like your think with Bold Eagle and Maori Time Dot

[Dot]

Not up to me Richard but the owners and it appears that Maori Time and Bold Eagle are already acquainted.......

[Richard prior]

Maybe Bold Eagle was a little distracted lol

[Messenger]

That is what Greg Hayes was suggesting on the coverage Rich as Bold Eagle has served mares it seemed peculiar to stable him so close to Maori Time

[Messenger]

Anybody know the story on the superbly named Pantzup (Always A Virgin x Evasive Moves) conversion to trotting for 2 wins from 2 starts after winning at Bendigo tonight - Toohard?

What prompted it? Simply the move to Gavin Lang training? I don't know of another Always A Virgin trotter. Her broodmare sire Life Sign has had a few trotters

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN090618&fromstate=vic#BNC09061810

[Richard prior]

I thought it may have come from the maternal family Kev but I’m not so sure now, I went back to Pammy Lobell on Classic Families and looked at her descendants, It’s a real eye opener but no sign of a Trotter

[Dot]

Go back in any family far enough and you'll find dual gaited or horses of either gait. Only in more recent times has the breed become more specialised in one gait or the other but above that the horses are athletes and whilst not every pacing bred horse is suited to try on the trot this one obviously was. She was coming back off a long break and whilst she may have been switched to Gavin to try as a trotter I'd say it's more likely he recognised her potential as a trotter whilst working up and at the current and growing evolution of trotting here I guess her connections either felt drawn to the trotting gait or that her abilities would lead to better opportunities for her/them as a trotter.

[Richard prior]

Good luck to them for trying and great work by Gavin

[Messenger]

New owners I have been informed

[Messenger]

Rightio, I am enjoying a day on Trots Vision as it is dam miserable here (surprised it has not hit Melton) and watching everything.
In the R6 trot, Imahe Man settling near the rear of the field caught my eye as he did not have the high stepping action of the others
So tell me folks, as much as I like the look of the high steppers - is it a good or bad thing

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX130618&fromstate=vic#MXB13061805

You might have to wait a couple of hours for the replay (unless you go to Sky) as they seem to running that far behind today

[Dot]

From what I've read for a longtime a "bicycling" type gait was considered optimum for minimising interference ( go over their knee and not hit their shins as much provided it wasn't too extreme and they hit their elbows instead) but in more recent times there is an increasing preference for a flater more energy efficient gait similar to a pacer.

[Messenger]

Thanks Dot, I must say that Imahe Man's gait at the back of the field caught my eye because it almost looked like he was pacing compared to the others and definitely looked like he was doing it easier

[Messenger]

Vicbred Trots finals tomorrow night. As part of renewing my love for the gait I will endeavor to watch them as I do enjoy the good ones
It seems amazing that the last race for $25k has only 2 horses in it that have ever run a place (2 thirds)

[aussiebreno]

Vicbred Trots finals tomorrow night. As part of renewing my love for the gait I will endeavor to watch them as I do enjoy the good ones
It seems amazing that the last race for $25k has only 2 horses in it that have ever run a place (2 thirds)

Only two placings between them yet the winner will get about $10000 more than the horse who runs 5th in the final. Bizarre!

[Dot]

Viewing racing in that light Brenno then not only will it win $10,000 more then 5th in the final, it will attain the mythical qualities of a "winner", something that some of those engaged in the finals may never do. It will obtain a "mark" which will convey a belief that it was possessed of more ability then those in the finals who do not go on to obtain a mark or faster mark. And it will add to its and it's relatives pedigrees "black type" as this is deemed a group 3 race, something some of the finalists may also never do.

[aussiebreno]

Viewing racing in that light Brenno then not only will it win $10,000 more then 5th in the final, it will attain the mythical qualities of a "winner", something that some of those engaged in the finals may never do. It will obtain a "mark" which will convey a belief that it was possessed of more ability then those in the finals who do not go on to obtain a mark or faster mark. And it will add to its and it's relatives pedigrees "black type" as this is deemed a group 3 race, something some of the finalists may also never do.

Great points Dot, the unfairness with these Silver/Consolation races goes beyond the prizemoney.

[arlington]

I think just as, if not more, fascinating is the $50000 Vicbred Homegrown series. Initially brought in for horses unlikely to attain lofty heights. It's a Gp2 event but limited, now, to youngsters that haven't won over 10K. This alone makes you wonder a lot about black type but I'm pretty sure it was Gp2 when the prize money won limit was just 6K. I do have some thoughts commercial breeders may have been behind the $ won clause increase. The question of why the increase has been asked of HRV by some, but no answer that I know of.

Digressing a little more, there's quite a few things about the Homegrown series, one being why it wouldn't be later in the season than May for the 2yos and, it may only be coincidental but a slot later in the season had been available to APG of late.

Trying to keep it all in context with the last few posts, why do all events have to carry black type purely based on the prize money they offer? We have similar situations with APG consolations, prize money and black type.

Considering there has been debate over the gold, silver, bronze concept v current format, using the Homegrown series, might running a couple of 25k races without black type be better and leave the VSS as is? Still a Vicbred trophy for the mantle piece.

With no disrespect to any owners who have won a Homegrown, but for the future and using the Homegrown as an example; is it a bit deceiving for prospective, newbie syndicate owners to be encouraged into progeny out of a Gp2 winning mare who competed in a conditional i.e. 6k or 10k clause?

[Dot]

Agree with you completely on the group status for home grown, and for consolations Wayne. I'm all for ways to distribute more prizemoney to the grass roots or battlers or what ever term you wish to use, but races that are for also rans in heats ( taking nothing away from them some may be very talented and just unlucky on the day) or have restricted conditions of entry should not carry Group status. That should be reserved for races open to all.

Whether consolations should or shouldn't be conducted is another debate. Racing folk are cut from many different cloths, for some pursuit of the racing dream takes precedence and the chance to participate at the highest level outweighs the interest in a better chance of accumulating cash at a lower level.

[Messenger]

I would have taken shorter than the winning odds of $2.90 that Vicbred 3yoF winner Moonshine Linda would have to be by Bacardi Lindy BUT I would have lost my money (Majestic Son x Maori Sunshine)

[Messenger]

In the 4yo Entires and Gelding Final Next Thru came so very very close to increasing his lifetime prizemoney by 150% ($45k on top of his previous $30k)

[aussiebreno]

Wow what a great race that Silver trot was!! Not! 4 gallopers and and an odds on exacta beat the third horse by 50m. Were there any heats and semis with such abysmal results?

[Messenger]

Majestic Son sired 4 winners tonight including 3 of the big ones

[Messenger]

Brent Lilley quinella'ed the Gp2 and Gp3 trots at Melton tonight
A fair effort when you consider their odds were
$47 $12 $10 $9

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX210718&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

Brent Lilley the star again - training 4 winners including the Derby on Redwood Day at Maryborough
Anton Golino trained 3 winners while David Miles nabbed the Gp1 Redwood

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH050818&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

Smooth Santana is making her debut in a trot at Maryborough as an 8yo
I don't think Santana Blue Chip has produced a winning trotter

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH011018&fromstate=vic#MHC01101808

[Messenger]

Tornado Valley's great first up win in the Bill Collins Sprint tonight made me look at his record more closely
It is phenomenal to think that last season he had 11 starts for his old owners in NZ for zero wins
He comes to Australia for the second half of the season and wins 10 races

[Messenger]

Read all about the Yonkers International Trot in Luke Humphreys' World Racing Luke

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/world-racing-swede-boilover-in-yonkers-international/

[Dot]

Yonkers International Trot and more. Good job Luke!

[Messenger]

11yo Coco Couture won her first race at Ballarat tonight - it is only her first season of racing and was only her 6th start!

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA171018&fromstate=vic#BAC17101808

[Messenger]

With a night meeting on a Monday and the last 4 races trots - I am guessing we are going to France again

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN221018&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

4 of the 9 races at our Melton metro meet are trots tonight - how things have changed

[Adaptor]

Bendigo Trials, Monday November 5

Trial No: 7 TO TROTTERS 2150M MOBILE
Finish
Position Horse Trainer Driver Class Number H'cap
1 MIYABOMBA Chris Lang Chris Lang TM0 T0 TR0 5 Ft
2 IMA ZIABEE Glenn Sharp Josh Duggan TM0 T0 TR0M0 C0 R03 Ft
3 GOOROC GAMBLER Ron Wicks Ron Wicks TM0 T0 TR0 1 Ft
4 JIMMY CREEK Jenny Johnson Paul Campbell TM0 T0 TR0 4 Ft
5 AZTEC INTI NZ John Tormey Ellen Tormey TM0 T0 TR0 6 Ft
6 DURANTEE Matthew Gath Matthew Gath TM0 T0 TR0 7 Ft
7 FULL OF FIZZ Bill White Ian White TM0 T0 TR0 2 Ft
Time: 2.51.0 Margins: 2m x 2m
Mile Rate: 2.08.0 Last Half: 60.7
Last Mile: 2.07.6 Last Quarter: 29.2
Trial No: 8 COMBINED PACERS 2150M MOBILE
Finish
Position Horse Trainer Driver Class Number H'

[Messenger]

8 horses in the race and yet none of the other starters could get within 76m of the $1.30 fav in R1 at YV

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG061118

[arlington]

8 horses in the race and yet none of the other starters could get within 76m of the $1.30 fav in R1 at YV

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG061118

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG061118#YGC06111806
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG061118#YGC06111805
&
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=FD061118#FDC06111801

Would have taken a monumental effort to keep up with Kate and Andy yesterday Kev.

[Messenger]

Yep, they would have still been at Yarra Glen at 1pm and would have had to be at Swan Hill by 7.30 and there is a 5hr drive in between

Edit: Forgot going via Long Forest so Very little time to spare

[Messenger]

Now Emma has a 3yo trotter who at his 2nd start showed that he can go as fast as anything in the Inter!

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX101218

[Pogga]

When are the first 2yo trot races for 2019?

[Messenger]

You would go a long way to find a better $8k trotters race than R5 at Bendigo tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN210219#BNC21021907

[Messenger]

'Trotters Only'
It is your night at Melton tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX090319

[Dot]

And specialty trotting yearling sale tomorrow

[Adaptor]

'Trotters Only'
It is your night at Melton tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX090319

What did we learn tonight at Melton:

1.You don't necessarily breed good trotters by using the trotting bloodlines : Emerald Stride by Bettors Delightt from a Rock n Roll Hanover mare.

2. Ditto: You don't necessarily breed trotters by using the trotting bloodlines; The wonderfully names Pantzup by Always A Virgin from a Life Sign mare

3 That Gavin Lang is a marvel...for his training of Pantzup and tonight's masterful winning drive.
http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX090319#MXM09031910

[Messenger]

Is Kima suspended this time as she still missed the drive on Big Jack Hammer again (BIG run Dance Craze)

You cannot tell from the Vic Suspended Drivers list - it has not been updated since November 19 (don't HRV staff have regular duties ?)

[Dot]

No, in Qld representing Vic at the Lady Drivers championship I think Kev

[Messenger]

Of course. Looks like KerryAnn Turner won that

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=AP090319

[Messenger]

The Stand Start trot at Ballarat tonight
12 starters but over half the field ODS including the first four in the pre-post market
It hardly inspires confidence (turnover?)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA160519#BAC16051908

[Dot]

Confidence Kev? Confidence in what, that they will all trot away? Probably won’t all trot away but doesn’t that, with a full field, actually add value in the prices for those punters who get it right? Certainly gives plenty of opportunities for those punters who like to lay horses and bet in the run on Betfair. I think you might be surprised how much the race does turn over, could be more then the small field mobiles with an odds on favourite drawn well.

[aussiebreno]

Confidence Kev? Confidence in what, that they will all trot away? Probably won’t all trot away but doesn’t that, with a full field, actually add value in the prices for those punters who get it right? Certainly gives plenty of opportunities for those punters who like to lay horses and bet in the run on Betfair. I think you might be surprised how much the race does turn over, could be more then the small field mobiles with an odds on favourite drawn well.

Knowing which one will gallop or step in any given day isnt really getting it right, its getting lucky. May as well play the pokies

[Messenger]

We should have used logic and went for No.1 and No.2 as there were only three off the front and they were the two that were not ODS
$17 the Win and $254 the Quinella
BUT it would have all be luck as only one starter stepped badly

ps It is amazing how hard the pros will go for a bit of 'free money'
There was a $2.5k carryover jackpot in the First 4 from this race into R7 and consequently the First 4 pool for R7 which would have been < $10k ended up $22k

[Messenger]

I need someone to watch the replay and explain this race to me

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HM100619#HMC10061908

When I first saw the margins I thought all bar the winner must have broken
The winner and $2.30 favourite was a big run at its previous start when it galloped early and in retrospect it would seem that you were taking those odds about it holding it together in which case it was supposedly home

They went hard early but I am still a little bamboozled. It took him a lap to get to the lead so it isn't like everything fell into his hands
He rated 2.04.7 but it was only a 2160 SS and the record is 2.01.7

[Dot]

Record probably not set in June and by a better horse then any of these Kev. Winner had a bit on these, they stepped away and accelerated from the stand at varying rates and the leaders stole a bit of a break on the rest during this early phase of the race and the rest were strung out over a fair bit of ground, winner, early leader then ran lead time pretty quick with winner going to front and ran next 3 quarters in approx 30s each, too quick for the lesser horses to be able to make ground without crossing anerobic threshold and tiring, so most did tire, winner also tired last quarter but damage already done and others couldn’t make much if any ground.

Alternative explanation, winner had a good day, everyone else had one to forget!

[Messenger]

It has been a while since I saw a 3 horse race - I hope these 2yo's behave or it could be embarrassing

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX010719#MXB01071909

[Messenger]

Bold Eagle finally makes it to North America and cleans up in the Woodbine Breeders Crown

http://www.harnesslink.com/USA/Bold-Eagle-soars-in-Breeders-Crown-

Check out the replay link to see how good replays should be (despite the appalling weather)

[Messenger]

The positive initiative by Yarra Valley to run a couple of races on the grass on Cup day are stands and therefore trots
Tune in for Races 4 & 7 for what should be an interesting spectacle
We will have a new Tk Rec with these races over the new distance of 1950m

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG051119

[Messenger]

Unfortunately the grass races didn't happen

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/heavy-falls-force-grass-racing-back-to-trots-track/

[Messenger]

Tough Monarch from a NZ mare but Aussie bred was too tough for the NZers in the Trotting Free For All today

http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Tough-Aussies-finish-one-two-in-NZ-Trotting-FFA

[aussiebreno]

Terrific. NZ always dominated the trotters ranks so good to see Aussies getting some back. Then consider Austs best trotter is back home instead of with stalemate McLovin. All 3 are NZ breds though...

[Messenger]

Impressive win by Habibi Inta in the $300k Canterbury Dominion today

https://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahrs/results/111532rs.htm#results-52249-race-9-dl

and a good call

[Messenger]

Bold Eagle finally makes it to North America and cleans up in the Woodbine Breeders Crown

http://www.harnesslink.com/USA/Bold-Eagle-soars-in-Breeders-Crown-

Check out the replay link to see how good replays should be (despite the appalling weather)

For those of you that would like to read a detailed look inside the Bold Eagle stable that night

http://www.harnesslink.com/Europe/Bold-Eagle-s-emotional-Breeders-Crown-win

[Messenger]

This should be a most interesting addition to the Butt stable

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Mission-accomplished--Butt-gets-his-boom-trotter

[Messenger]

I have done a little research on Gatsby Perrine
I could not find him on Classicfamilies db or blodbanken's so although racing in good company he has not actually done enough for them (you would have thought his prizemoney may have been enough)
His record can be found here

https://www.zone-turf.fr/cheval/gatsby-perrine-702620/

He must have got sick of seeing the rear end of Gotland

You will see that he has raced in a lot of Group races

As far as being a stallion prospect, not only will his performance down under be a factor but also a few more runs on the board for his sire Bird Parker would help

[Messenger]

Trotting enthusiasts/experts, new member David has a question for you in the General Industry Chat forum

http://www.harnessracingforum.com/showthread.php?15341-trotter-interference&p=63387#post63387

[aussiebreno]

4 start 1 win mare Sultan Sass comes up against 120 rater Red Hot Tooth who has finished 2nd in 3x Gp1s in past 5 starts. Sultan Sass only emergency but quite the David V Goliath. Melton Rc2 on Saturday.

[Messenger]

She will probably bolt it in, now that I have posted this, but can Majestic Mannequin really start anywhere near $1.50 in R1 at Melton today after her effort just 4 days ago

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX150420#MXB15042006

4 days ago (in a $12k race mind you)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX110420#MXC11042017

[Messenger]

An interesting race for 2yo's & 3yo's at Melton tonight
The 3yo's gave the 2yo's 30m start but it was the 2yo's who were better behaved
3rd placegetter Kaudo has been slow away and spotted the leaders all of 50m before motoring home to only be beaten by 4m

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX220420#MXC22042009

[Messenger]

You can tell that Dan thinks a bit of Quality Sunset, runner-up at Ballarat today
Mind you he was not that kind in saying she probably lost 10m when she made a break - at least double that IMO

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA290420#BAC29042008

I was surprised to see the track that wet as Ballarat had only had ¼inch of rain up to that point of the day (and virtually nothing in the 2 days before)

It will be interesting if she makes the grade due to her unusual breeding
Her pacing sire Quality Cam has only produced 35 foals in 10yrs at Melton Stud in QLD (mostly homebreds)
Her broodmare sire Last Sunset, may be the key
Does anybody know why he only stood for 2 seasons?

[Showgrounds]

Last Sunset was promoted to glory, to use Salvation Army terminology. Carked it.

[Messenger]

His record ended up pretty good for a trotting sire - from only 41 foals he ended up with 10% earning $150k+

[Messenger]

I am watching a few more than usual and catching up on things
Tip Top Grandpa who has only had 9 starts in this his debut season has had a win and 2 seconds in his last three AND HE IS A 10yo
You won't see that at the gallops

[aussiebreno]

Bizarre drive by A Butt on Elite Stride.

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC090520#PCM09052001

[aussiebreno]

Bizarre drive by A Butt on Elite Stride.

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC090520#PCM09052001

Saw an article where Butt said horse had fired up and he was worried about it choking down so opted to just let it run.

[Mytwobobsworth]

Thinking they may be regretting the gear change going into the race.
Backfired a bit.
Shows how superior the horse was to still win, horse has always been brilliant and is only getting better every week(maybe not last night) could be the next trotting superstar.
Can not think of a current 3 yo anywhere in the country that will match him in 6 months time.
Happy to be proven wrong if anyone can think of one.

[aussiebreno]

Rc4 at Melton this Saturday night, #6 Gentleman Sir.


How are punters expected to a) back it when last 5 has paid no competitive part or b) back against it on the chance it puts it together and beats their horse.

After 8 performances where it wrecked its own chances t it was finally SD1T last start but the trial doesn't appear in the form guide. Then when you do go searching for it the trial was in a last mile of 2.07 last half 65. Hardly race pressure.

[Messenger]

The first 4 races at Menangle today were trots
How big a day did Blake Fitzpatrick have in those 4 races
He had 7 trotters in for 3 wins , 2 seconds , 1 third & 1 fourth.
Not a bad days work

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ME260520

[Messenger]

Fans of trotting DONT watch this race

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI270520#KIC27052008

As Luke said - in France the whole field would have been disqualified

[aussiebreno]

Its a joke Gentleman Sir is allowed to go around again this week.

[Messenger]

I don't follow the trotters as much as I should (they're pretty well mannered in the older ranks nowadays)
At Bendigo tonight I was marvelling at the difference between Emerald Stride and CK Spur
I looked up there breeding of course, to see that Emerald is a Bettors
There are not too many trotting Bettors
and Emerald has a stunning Pacing pedigree
Her 2nd dam not only won $500k but is a full sis to Glowing Report who won 4 Gp1's including a Jugette

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/History.aspx?HorseID=10038110&SE=TimeAmountClass&AD=ASC

[Messenger]

2yo Trotters is that an Oxymoron

Being mean but Sweet On You won the 2yo trot by 95m (although Illawong Moonbeam trotted throughout as well)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN130720#BNC13072008

[Messenger]

Mataderos a 4yo out of La Coocaracha won his 3rd trot at Terang tonight
La Coocaracha is certainly an interesting one.
She is out of the pacing mare Poetry but by Safelty Kept who has 6 trotters in his Australian Top 20
It is interesting to note that although La Coocaracha was sent to good pacing stallions 3 times, for the two of them that raced (74 times) they only notched up 2 wins
Her 8 trotting services who have reached racing age, have so far notched up 58 wins

[Messenger]

Follow The Stars has one going around in the 2yo Maiden Trot at Ballarat tomorrow night
Her name Thats Not My Gait tells you that FTS has not had too many trotters
The other one however has a good record in WA
Papa Razzi 11-6-3-0

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA130820#BAC13082008

[Messenger]

I am starting to take more interest in the trotters - I like the look of the ones who don't use any gear (hopples etc)
I was impressed with the 2yo trot at Bendigo tonight - I know they are virtually 3yo's but the field of 6 were faultless, something you don't always see in the older trots
The time was pretty good too

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN260820#BNC26082008

[Messenger]

Like the days of old
In R7 at Echuca tonight we have Andyou coming off 100m in a mere 2130m race

The TAB cannot handle a 3 digit handicap and have him down as being off 99m

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=EC270820#ECC27082008

[Messenger]

I don't think he made any errors but he never got in camera!

[aussiebreno]

Can anyone explain how Gentleman Sir is still allowed to race? It cannot trot.

[aussiebreno]

Can anyone explain how Gentleman Sir is still allowed to race? It cannot trot.

Dance Craze to follow it out in a Gp3.

While it will be a miracle if stewards police the OPS properly Jason Lee will have a pretty good excuse.

People are betting on this and people have every right to back Dance Craze because its the best horse in the race but how can they drawn behind a horse who cannot trot.
Meanwhile people have every right to lay Dance Craze knowing its drawn behind a horse who cannot trot but how can they have any confidence when the OPS rule is treated as a joke.

[Messenger]

GS has improved lately Brendan, from memory the 2nd was a pretty good run

[aussiebreno]

GS has improved lately Brendan, from memory the 2nd was a pretty good run

Lol. 5 starts ago was taken out of draw. 3 starts ago 'last' chance to race truly. That he has gone 2 starts in a row without causing a nuisance is a miracle and just means he is overdue.

[Messenger]

Vicbred Platinum Home Grown heats for 2yo Trotters at Maryborough tomorrow
Among the first starters we have

Montelina a half sis to Maorisfavouritesun

Amour Maternal a daughter of Valerie NZ

Central Otago a son of Sumthingaboutmaori

Bullion Harry a son of Miss Bullion

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH051020

[Messenger]

It is truly sad that the Gp1 Bill Collins Sprint is worth a mere $50k in totoal (I doubt there will be any metro gallops race run for less this Saturday)

[aussiebreno]

It is truly sad that the Gp1 Bill Collins Sprint is worth a mere $50k in totoal (I doubt there will be any metro gallops race run for less this Saturday)

Embarrassingly for SA racing there is.

[Messenger]

Yeah, they only averaged $39k last Saturday (but they are not Gp races)

[aussiebreno]

Pink Galahs drops back to 3yo fillies grade after beating the top trotters in the land.

I think with the season moving back there shouldn't be any major open age race from Sept-Dec. Sure have Gp3s but no Gp1s.

Horses have enough seasons to win open age events. I don't want to see 3yos burnt out at the end of their 3yo year against big guns. Or see 3yos beat the big guns and be shipped off early (like a trend is slowly starting to follow the thoroughbreds/USA where they retire their colts early already - Lazarus, Poster Boy and a couple others name escapes me)

[Showgrounds]

Pink Galahs drops back to 3yo fillies grade after beating the top trotters in the land.

I think with the season moving back there shouldn't be any major open age race from Sept-Dec. Sure have Gp3s but no Gp1s.

Horses have enough seasons to win open age events. I don't want to see 3yos burnt out at the end of their 3yo year against big guns. Or see 3yos beat the big guns and be shipped off early (like a trend is slowly starting to follow the thoroughbreds/USA where they retire their colts early already - Lazarus, Poster Boy and a couple others name escapes me)

Agree with your sentiments. Except this three year old turned four years of age on October 2.

[aussiebreno]

Agree with your sentiments. Except this three year old turned four years of age on October 2.

I'm not talking physical age but HRA defined aged. Not 4 until Jan 1.

[Showgrounds]

I'm not talking physical age but HRA defined aged. Not 4 until Jan 1.

I gather that. So who is right, HRA or me and the rest of the world? HRA is operating in its own universe and does not understand the difference between consulting and telling. It is a headless chook that still does not have a chairman and overlooks the fact it exists to serve the industry - not the other way around.

[aussiebreno]

I gather that. So who is right, HRA or me and the rest of the world? HRA is operating in its own universe and does not understand the difference between consulting and telling. It is a headless chook that still does not have a chairman and overlooks the fact it exists to serve the industry - not the other way around.
What's your gripes with moving it back?

[Mytwobobsworth]

What's your gripes with moving it back?


This is the first decision in a long time I strongly agree with.

[Showgrounds]

This is the first decision in a long time I strongly agree with.

Nothing wrong with it. I'll just tell everybody I am 50 years old. Unfortunately, my near-65 year old body says otherwise.

A 4 years and 8 days old MARE will never be a 3 year old filly again. Fact check that one!

[aussiebreno]

Nothing wrong with it. I'll just tell everybody I am 50 years old. Unfortunately, my near-65 year old body says otherwise.

A 4 years and 8 days old MARE will never be a 3 year old filly again. Fact check that one!

Horses are born between August and January so have always been different physical ages to what HRA defined age is. Horses born in Dec/Jan used to race as 4yos from from August 1. Whats the difference? Most used to age a few months aheas of time but are now ageing a couple months behind time.

Russian Camelot is physically 3.5yrs of age. Racebook says 4. It isn't a problem.

No one.is saying they are factually or physically that age.

[Mytwobobsworth]

Nothing wrong with it. I'll just tell everybody I am 50 years old. Unfortunately, my near-65 year old body says otherwise.

A 4 years and 8 days old MARE will never be a 3 year old filly again. Fact check that one!

Im not following on the 4 years 8 days? What do you mean?

[Messenger]

John, Trevor is referring to the fact that Pink Galahs was not just 4 years old under the old system ( 4yrs and 40 days using Sep 1 as the standardbred's birthday) when she won on Saturday but the fact that being a fairly early foal (Oct 2) she was actually 4yrs and 8days old on Oct 10

[Mytwobobsworth]

John, Trevor is referring to the fact that Pink Galahs was not just 4 years old under the old system ( 4yrs and 40 days using Sep 1 as the standardbred's birthday) when she won on Saturday but the fact that being a fairly early foal (Oct 2) she was actually 4yrs and 8days old on Oct 10

I got that but why will it not happen again? One of my weanlings is 12 months old today yet doesn’t turn 1 for another 70 odd days so she will be well over 4 when still racing as a 3yo.

[Messenger]

I got that but why will it not happen again? One of my weanlings is 12 months old today yet doesn’t turn 1 for another 70 odd days so she will be well over 4 when still racing as a 3yo.

He is saying that if you turned 40 today you can never be 39 again

[Messenger]

VIC – Pink Galahs - Elevated TCO2 Levels Policy

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=45373

Interesting

[aussiebreno]

VIC – Pink Galahs - Elevated TCO2 Levels Policy

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=45373

Interesting
I find this out after I've backed her :(

[Messenger]

An extract from the rule:

Results of blood samples consistently reveal elevated TCO2 levels, however they fall
just below the threshold and therefore no action can be taken. This indicates that
trainers are administering alkalinising agents on raceday.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/for-participants/rules/policies/elevated-tco2-levels/

Very disappointing to think that Matty Craven is pushing the rules after his raw emotion after the win last week

[Showgrounds]

An extract from the rule:

Results of blood samples consistently reveal elevated TCO2 levels, however they fall
just below the threshold and therefore no action can be taken. This indicates that
trainers are administering alkalinising agents on raceday.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/for-participants/rules/policies/elevated-tco2-levels/

Very disappointing to think that Matty Craven is pushing the rules after his raw emotion after the win last week

Very disappointing but not surprising given the industry shenanigans of recent months.

[Messenger]

And he is being featured as a lead story on both the HRV and HRA homepages
I know he is not guilty of anything but the quote in post 642 makes it clear that the stewards do not think that everything is squeaky clean
I would like him to come out and refute it
Makes me sick actually - is our industry a joke and supposed horse lovers just $ driven

[Yabbie]

I suggest you listen to Mattie Craven's interview with Paul Campbell where he covers this in the conversation

[Messenger]

Where would I find it Carol?

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj4bLbTw5cM

[Messenger]

It is about 19 minutes in folks. Mattie Craven basically says it is an 'unkown'
He said Pink Galahs has been on a modified program for 8wks (as opposed to surgery) so she has obviously required treatment
It is a plus that HE raised it in the interview.
Under different interview circumstances the interviewer may have asked the hard question:
"Do you refute the premise of the Elevated TCO2 policy - that your horse has been administered alkalinising agents on race day?"

[Yabbie]

Sorry Kev - I usually only log into the forum first thing in the morning - glad you found it.
Paul Campbell has a website where all his interviews etc are found (or you can find on podcasts etc).


https://campbellscomments.com/


Cheers

[Messenger]

An interesting 2nd starter in the maiden trot at Bendigo tonight
Dreamcatcher SWE He is a 7yo now and only had the one start as a 3yo
The dam Saorse won $370k and is the half sis to superstar Westgate Crown

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN201020#BNC20102007

[Messenger]

I didn't realize that Dreamcatcher has had a little stint at stud and has 11 weanlings/yearlings on the ground
He won tonight

[Messenger]

Vic Trotters Derby heats on Sunday at Maryborough with the Final the following Sunday
That will amount to 4 runs in 4 weeks for Pink Galahs - no small program for a 3yo filly on a modified program because of some concern/injury
Only 2 heats so the first 5 are guaranteed a start in the final

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH251020#MHC25102004

[Showgrounds]

Vic Trotters Derby heats on Sunday at Maryborough with the Final the following Sunday
That will amount to 4 runs in 4 weeks for Pink Galahs - no small program for a 3yo filly on a modified program because of some concern/injury
Only 2 heats so the first 5 are guaranteed a start in the final

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH251020#MHC25102004

Yeah, but hardly an issue for a four year old mare Kev. Her biggest issue at this stage appears to be her TCo2 readings.

[Messenger]

It was blowing a gale down the home straight but nevertheless you would have to say that Elite Stride was disappointing in his heat.
It was only his second loss in 11 starts but maybe it was the 2690m
Pink Galahs had a cushy run to beat Powderkeg who returned to form

Gimondi from NSW was too strong in the other heat

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH251020

[Messenger]

They all stood beautifully for release in The Redwood but sadly after that the start/first 200 was a mess for all but 4 runners really :(

[Messenger]

I know there was only $2,285 in the pool but The Daily Double was big unders today. An all up bet on Mexicana and Pink Galahs returns $8.40 while the DD only paid $4.70
That is not much better than 7/2 compared to 15/2

[Messenger]

You had to love the first trot at Melton tonight (R3)
Nowhere is it written that an odds on fave should be given an easy time of it and these horses most definitely were not going to concede to Swiss Miss

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX281120#MXM28112010

[Messenger]

Rivals in the Gp3 Graeme Lang Classic tonight Sangreal and Banglez are from the same family. Broodmare gem Fionas Flair is their 3rd or 2nd dam

[Messenger]

I am guessing that Aldebaran Ursula's 1.55.7 had to be a record for a 2yo/early 3yo trotter especially a filly

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN041220#BNC04122008

[Adaptor]

I am guessing that Aldebaran Ursula's 1.55.7 had to be a record for a 2yo/early 3yo trotter especially a filly

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN041220#BNC04122008

Australasian Record for a 2yo, regardless of gender.

Aldebaran Ursula broke her own record previously established at Menangle.

Utopia's mile rate of 1:58.6 winning the Gavin Lang is an Australasian Record for 2yo trotting colts.

[Messenger]

Did you go Noel?

[Adaptor]

Did you go Noel?

No. I'll wait until I can wander. Not good at sitting in one place for 8 or more races

[aussiebreno]

How Gentleman Sir still is allowed to totally f*** up races is beyond me.

[Messenger]

I am with you this time Brendan
What is 64 rated Genteleman Sir doing in the 80-120 rated Gp1 Maori Mile on Saturday night
and 69 rated Fear Not for that matter
Only being a mile race it would be much better with 8 runners only anyway

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN090121#BNM09012109

[Messenger]

You have to feel for John Justice - he went to Cranbourne today for the one drive - Gentleman Sir, who blew the start of course

[Showgrounds]

You have to feel for John Justice - he went to Cranbourne today for the one drive - Gentleman Sir, who blew the start of course

How the mighty have fallen. JJ I mean.

[Messenger]

Ships Spur is now the sire of a winner, Black And Gold winner at Bendigo tonight will be his one and only winner
Ships Spur, now a gelding, only sired 2 foals for Sheron Park (Kevin Riseley) and B&G is the only one to race

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN270121#BNC27012107

[Mytwobobsworth]

Ships Spur is now the sire of a winner, Black And Gold winner at Bendigo tonight will be his one and only winner
Ships Spur, now a gelding, only sired 2 foals for Sheron Park (Kevin Riseley) and B&G is the only one to race

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN270121#BNC27012107

Think Shippy has the stallion.

[Messenger]

Thanks John, yes my bad - Sheron Park bred Ships Spur but Shippy owned him and obviously bred a couple from him

[Messenger]

If you breed an Art Major like the Salathiels did
You have to be unlucky to have a trotter
I say that because Art Major has 20 pages of $50k+ winners on HRA
but his only trotter over $30k is Lucky Twenty Three who won $48k
Anyway after a handful of starts as a 3yo pacer
the Salathiels Sheza Chocolatier has had 15 starts as a trotter
After her win at Shep tonight she has won 2 of her last 3 so if she keeps it up she may make a good broodmare

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP290121#SPC29012108

[Messenger]

I love high speed trotters like Majestuoso and watching that effort by Majestic Man to smash the Tk Rec tonight could convert me to the gait

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX300121#MXM30012108

[Messenger]

Unbelievable
An 11yo pacer with 330 starts to her name
Having her first start as a trotter (at Melton!)
Hollys Miss Molly

[Beltane]

Unfortunately she broke at the start, took no part in the race, and finished 214.7 metres behind.

Might be kinder to let her retire, and continue her good work off the track.

[Messenger]

Good to see only fields of 9 for the Great Southern Star over the sprint trip

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX050221

[Messenger]

Heat 1 at 7.22
Heat 2 at 7.52
Final 10.22
There must be some super trainers in Heat 2 as they have entered horses first up - or maybe they are only looking for a heat win

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX050221

[Messenger]

The 2nd heat was fantastic
Andyou qualifying for the final is a joke - he is a nice horse but his not being able to keep up contributed to the field splitting
Like the heats - 8 in the final would make sense over the short trip

[Messenger]

I am finding this format exciting tonight
(I don't think it is just because I became a grandpa for the 4th time today - sailed past Melton on my way to St Vincent's)

[Messenger]

Tornado Vallley REMARKABLE

[hugdon]

Congratulations Kev,

[Messenger]

Although Tornado Valley and the Gaths were the stars of the night, you have to admire and feel for Magicool, Robbie O'Connell and Zac Phillips as they were the run of the Final

[aussiebreno]

Although Tornado Valley and the Gaths were the stars of the night, you have to admire and feel for Magicool, Robbie O'Connell and Zac Phillips as they were the run of the Final

He made the race a fantastic effort for 2nd.

I think Craven might be ruing not showing same sort of initiative when they were crawling in the 2nd quarter.

Tornado Valley fabulous to see back to best.

[Messenger]

On our trots night at Melton the Grand Prix is an outstanding field
Some of the best horses drawing awkwardly has opened it right up

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX270221#MXM27022101

[Adaptor]

On our trots night at Melton the Grand Prix is an outstanding field
Some of the best horses drawing awkwardly has opened it right up

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX270221#MXM27022101

Wouldn't it be a good story of Sparkling Success could re-capture his best form after injury, and win with lightweight Jackie Barker on board.

[Messenger]

Two Love You 3yo's to put in your black book
Only a head separated Sweet On You and Central Otago in their heat at Maryborough today
They are both from fantastic dam lines and their time of 1.58 was only 1.5 outside the open Tk Rec

Check out their acceleration over the last 100m (when the replay gets up - a bit slow today but they may be trying to clean up the call, which sounds dreadful on the TAB replays)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH110321#MHC11032110

ps the run of the 3rd horse in the death was very respectable and he too is a well bred Love You

[Messenger]

Amazing - even 8yo NZ trotters are proving attractive to Aussie buyers

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI220321#KIC22032108

[Showgrounds]

Amazing - even 8yo NZ trotters are proving attractive to Aussie buyers

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI220321#KIC22032108

Only cleared from NZ on March 5 and had been unplaced at its previous 10 starts in very ordinary company. Either it's grown two legs in the two and a half weeks it's been here or the opposition aren't worth feeding. I'm leaning towards the latter and while HRV's Robin Hood policy of taking stake money off the winner to subsidize the also fans to to the tune of $140 to make up the numbers the situation won't change.

[Lorraine]

It had already won $80.00 and 9 Races, it was well served by the national ratings system

[Messenger]

Meziah won the trot at Mildura last night and is Odds On to win the trot at Globe Derby tonight - I hope they give him Sunday off ;)

[Messenger]

$25k Bendigo Trotters Cup tomorrow night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN230421#BNC23042107

[Adaptor]

$25k Bendigo Trotters Cup tomorrow night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN230421#BNC23042107

And here's an article about the Aldebaran Park Bendigo Trotters Cup from the Bendigo Addy's Kieran Iles:

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/7218309/nephew-of-sonoko-aiming-to-spoil-tornado-valleys-party-video/?cs=81

[Messenger]

At Stawell today, Chrisken Kiosk was going around and I thought the driver's colours stood out beautifully
I think he might be Ken Browne's only horse and so the colours also have C and K in the Quarters along with upside down horseshoes U
What has become of me when I can't look at them without thinking of a four letter word :eek:
(Sorry Ken)

[Messenger]

Left Right Andcentre 13yo first win for 3½ years

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX270421#MXB27042107

[Showgrounds]

Left Right Andcentre 13yo first win for 3½ years

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX270421#MXB27042107

...and the trainer's first started for 5!

[Messenger]

First season (pacing) Sire Guaranteed brings up his first trotting winner

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI060521#KIC06052108

[Messenger]

NEWS FLASH Captaintreacherous can throw a trotter

http://www.harnesslink.com/New-Zealand/Double-Delight-wins-on-debut

[Messenger]

There may have been some debate about whether the race should have been a Grp1 but Plymouth Chubb's win was Group quality after making an early mistake

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX080521#MXM08052108

[Messenger]

Training partnership Emmett and Richard Brosnan really had EQUAL success at Melton tonight
They trained the winners of the R3 and R7 trots and they shared driving duties
With Emmett on Aldebaran Huey returning $18.90
while Richard on Sun Body returned $17.90
Maybe a bit of spec'ing by the wider family made it a very profitable night?!

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX010621

[aussiebreno]

Time to give them the flick when the trifecta of the 3yo bous race at Menangle was by default and then 5 mins later Sparkling Success gallops at Melton

[Messenger]

But the win by 3yo Sebastian K gelding On Advice was pretty impressive in 1.54.5 Breno (and the leader was a good run too)

[Messenger]

Classic Connection will be the first European trotter to shuttle to Australia

https://harnesslink.com/australia/first-european-trotter-to-shuttle-down-under/

[Messenger]

Time to give them the flick when the trifecta of the 3yo bous race at Menangle was by default and then 5 mins later Sparkling Success gallops at Melton

I think Kilmore have designed Thursday night's meeting especially for Brendan
= THREE MAIDEN TROTS
;)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI080721

[Messenger]

An interesting new addition to the stallion ranks this season is Elite Stride

https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/top-trotting-colt-to-start-his-debut-season-at-alabar/

There are other sons of Muscle Hill available in Australia but I am not sure how many shuttle/are not frozen only

[Messenger]

Could have gone in What A Run thread
Majestuoso, he sure is special

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE170721#GEM17072108

The state of the track has to be taken into consideration not the times

[Messenger]

Melton winner tonight Queen Of Crime is not bred to be a trotter
She is a full sister to Crime Writer and her two 2yo starts were as a pacer
I haven't found any trotters in her damline nor have I found another Sportswriter trotter
But QOC has won her last 3 for 4 wins from 15 starts now

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX310721#MXM31072110

[Messenger]

Captain Corey by Googoo Gaagaa (Cams Rocket) is the winner of the Hambletonian while Bella Bellini by Muscle Hill is the winner of the Oaks

[Messenger]

Captain Corey by Googoo Gaagaa (Cams Rocket) is the winner of the Hambletonian while Bella Bellini by Muscle Hill is the winner of the Oaks

http://ustrottingnews.com/captain-corey-wins-96th-hambletonian/

http://ustrottingnews.com/bella-bellini-storms-to-victory-in-hambletonian-oaks/

[Messenger]

I found the Captain Corey replay interesting - his front legs appear perfectly straight as he has such a long stride

https://harnesslink.com/usa/captain-corey-struts-to-1-million-hambletonian-victory/

Let the replay of the Oaks run to the end and you will see that US harness goers/owners are very casual dressers too

https://harnesslink.com/usa/bella-bellini-stunning-in-hambletonian-oaks/

[Messenger]

Kilmore Metro tomorrow night and 5/11 races are trots
I am going to have to start following the trotters

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI210821

[Messenger]

Sofia Arvidsson will have to be in trouble for her winning drive on Aldebaran Tess
In the USA she would have been disqualified

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI210821#MXM21082106

[Messenger]

Kilmore Metro tomorrow night and 5/11 races are trots
I am going to have to start following the trotters

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI210821

Long odds on Trotter = Oxymoron

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HS230821#HSC23082108

I might start following them but I would VERY rarely bet on them

[Messenger]

Dance Secret won his 3rd from 9 starts at Menangle today
I don't know that A Rocknroll Dance has any other trotters
I think the origins may be the 2nd dam by Safely Kept

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC240821#PCC24082107

[Messenger]

The $25k Shep Trotters Cup is something special tonight for a 'non-metro' meet

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP170921#SPC17092106

[Messenger]

How are our girls Pink and Sleepee going to go when they have to meet this lady

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC091021#PCM09102108

[Messenger]

The three trotters derby heats kick off at 2.14 at Maryborough today
The first and third heats both have a couple of fillies tackling the C&Gs

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH241021

[Messenger]

It is Redwood and Derby day at Maryborough on Sunday, an all trot affair as is the case with their meeting today
The Redwood always worries me a bit. 2yo trotters from the stand can be troublesome enough but having a 2nd row of them makes it very dicey for those on the 2nd line as not only do horses like favourite Plymouth Chubb have to get away they have to avoid any gallopers/slow pokes on the front line. At the age of 2 I reckon just a front line of 8, if they can fit them, would be preferable.

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH311021

[Messenger]

Enjoying all the Breeders Crown heats at Maryborough today
Have a look at R6, it was great viewing

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH111121#MHC11112102

[Messenger]

Gentleman Sir is going around as the outsider of the field in the next at Hamilton, a NR 30+, he would have got a start in the Interdominion if they hadn't scratched him :eek:

[Messenger]

Plymouth Chubb could convince one to follow the trotters

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN101221#BNC10122108

[Messenger]

A pity they had to accept Gentleman Sir's nomination for R1 at Cranbourne tonight.
It is a NR67+ race and he is only a NR56
He will more than likely just prove an obstacle for others to get around
In his 11 races this season/yr he has finished last or 2nd last except for one - in which he was still beaten 50m

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR181221#CRM18122109

[Showgrounds]

A pity they had to accept Gentleman Sir's nomination for R1 at Cranbourne tonight.
It is a NR67+ race and he is only a NR56
He will more than likely just prove an obstacle for others to get around
In his 11 races this season/yr he has finished last or 2nd last except for one - in which he was still beaten 50m

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR181221#CRM18122109

Loved Dan Mieleki's call of the 2yo maiden trot at Melton last night. "Brother Joseph has both the mobile barrier and the ambulance in front of him which means, if you've backed him, I don’t like your chances".

He might get to re-use that line tonight.

[Messenger]

An unusual first starter at Maryborough tomorrow
7yo My Mate Max
He is the only foal of the unraced dam and she is the only living foal of the unraced 2nd dam

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH030122#MHC03012208

[Messenger]

Serious injury leaves Plymouth Chubb's racing career in doubt

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/serious-injury-leaves-plymouth-chubbs-racing-career-in-doubt/

I am guessing he was doing light work as a taper before spelling?

[Showgrounds]

That is bad news. A 60% chance of making it back and a 4 to 6 month spell are highly optimistic opinions from my experience. At least it is only a fracture and that would be what the vet's are counting on. But 4 screws suggest it is a pretty long fracture.

I had a very honest trotter back in 2003/04 season which won a couple of horse of the year awards from a single preparation. Second up in the new season off 20 metres he was up running third by the fist turn when his near side hind pastern split in half. The bone resembles a Peter's Two in One ice cream (for those old enough to remember them) and separated right down the middle.

The choice was try and save him as a paddock horse or say goodbye. Some excellent veterinary work and a lot of money saved him. He had three screws inserted, the middle one from the opposing side of the bone. Four weeks boxed at the vet's in a fibreglass cast (which I have kept as a souvenir) followed by four weeks boxed at home with a constrictive bandage at home was needed. It was a successful procedure and the morning I let him run in the paddock my wife couldn't look.

About a year after the injury I had too load a mare to take to the vet's. The trotter followed her into the yard so I rang the vet and booked him in for x-rays. I did not tell him of the previous "salvage" prognosis, he was an extremely experienced and honest equine specialist.

He rang me the following day to say the pastern had healed extremely well but he was concerned he may have incurred an undiagnosed fracture to the fetlock. He told me he expected the horse may get back to trialling stage of a preparation but would be likely to go amiss when racing pressure was applied.

I was thrilled with his summary, far better than the original prognosis and he said the horse would be fine to ride. He has been with my neice used as a hack irregularly over the past 16 years, loving his life. He is 23 now and pretty arthritic in the injured leg and his eyesight isn't what was but we are all happy.

As smart as he was he was no Plymouth Chubb. Given that horse's ability and stakes banked I can understand his owners throwing the kitchen sink into their efforts to get him back on the track and I wholeheartedly wish them well.

However, as I have learned, time, time and then more time is the best chance with this type of injury. He is only three and would still be growing and maturing. I don't expect to see him at the races at least until midway through his 4 year old season. If at all. Fingers crossed I am wrong.

[Messenger]

A bad story that became a good one - a great and relevant read, thanks Trev.
You can't help but think that simply forgetting about a 3yo season would be a wise move

[Showgrounds]

Without knowing any facts, other than 4 screws used to hold the bone together, I'd suggest at least a year off. It doesn't matter how fast they can race on the track, all horses take the same time to heal.

[Messenger]

Another tear away win in the R1 trot at Charlton today (like Glenn Conroy's drive at Maryborough last week)
The Beauty of the Stand Start
You don't get this in mobiles - the suspense as to whether they will catch the leader
Excellent 'pacing' by concession driver Luke Dunne

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CH170122#CHC17012207

[Messenger]

Peakz Luck won the Gp3 $25k Central Victorian Trotting Championship at Maryborough today
Her MR of 2.03.3 for the 2690m SS was not too far off the Tk Rec of 2.02.5 (which has stood for 10yrs now)
Since coming from NZ she has now won 5 and been third in her other 3 runs

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH240122#MHC24012206

[Messenger]

Admittedly I don't follow the trotters that closely but I noticed for tonight that import Interview's sire was one that I had not heard of - Traders
He is a well performed Gp winning son or Ready Cash out of a daughter of Giant Cat.
Interview and a German filly Mylie Scott are his only Classic Families progeny credits although he would only have had a couple of crops to race
Mylie Scott suggests there is not a great deal of money in German trots as she won a Gp1 Breeders Crown but only has €11k to her name

https://classicfamilies.azurewebsites.net/horsedetails.aspx?HorseID=10181266

[Messenger]

With all the talent in our trotting ranks, I cannot see how it will be possible for 10yo's Tornado Valley and Tough Monarch to stay ahead of the game

[Showgrounds]

If Jason Lee doesn't get an extensive stretch on the sidelines for turning the Group 1 Australian Trotting Grand Prix into the Australian Demolition Derby a For Sale sign should be erected fronting the Western Freeway. The track will be redundant because nobody will come back! Disgraceful and dangerous drive, had it been a field of pacers four or five horses would have fallen.

[Messenger]

He is in more trouble than an

[Messenger]

Torado Valley has been retired

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/time-called-on-champion-trotter-tornado-valleys-career/

Great pic (maybe more so of Kate than Torado)

[Messenger]

That was incredible improvement by Credit Master to run 1.53.1 while sitting in the death

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC050322#PCM05032204

How does he beat Tough Monarch (6th) on his two previous runs?

[Messenger]

You would not be expecting a trotter from
Captaintreacherous x Smyrna Duruisseau
but Be My Star has now won 2/2 (this month)
She is a half sis to Follow The Stars
(apologies if I have posted this somewhere already - it sounds really familiar to me)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN090322#BNC09032212

[Messenger]

PP rightly asks this morning, how could the VSTA award Kalarney Heidi trotter of the year when she was unplaced in her two Gp starts while on the other hand all Maori Law's races were Gp status with him winning two Gp1's and three Gp3's

[Showgrounds]

It is a very valid question to ask and I am sure a spokesperson for the VSTA will provide an answer.

Just to show how much I have dropped the ball I plead guilty of never having heard of the winner. However, less than $40,000 for the season would suggest I haven't missed the second coming of Maoris Idol or Scotch Notch. Maybe the VSTA doesn't recognise interstate performances for the award.

[aussiebreno]

30 seconds on google presents this

https://www.victrotters.com/vsta-awards-bonus

Owners have to be members of VSTA.

[Messenger]

30 seconds on google presents this

https://www.victrotters.com/vsta-awards-bonus

Owners have to be members of VSTA.

That is what PP thought it would be but then he found a members list which had the Crews on it

[Messenger]

Favourite for the Gp1 2yo fillies tonight Valerie Lane has interesting breeding

Her 2nd dam Chancery Lane was a nice trotting mare who won 11 of 28 but was pacing bred

Her dam Valsue was also by pacing sire Elsu but they already knew her older full brother was nice trotter Prescient BUT they also knew that her outstanding (juvenile) oldest half brother Lord Of The Gym was by Muscles Yankee so they must have thought a lot of Prescient (who only raced for 20mths) to go to Elsu again. PS. Valsue's half bro Lord Chancellor is still going around in SA

When you go back to her 3rd dam, pacer Streets Of London you see that she had 3 trotting bred siblings and an older full bro that trotted come before her and 3 more trotting bred siblings come after her

So although the first and 2nd dam were sired by almost exclusively pacing sires you can see that 4th dam Carla Hanover set this up to be a trotting arm of the family

ClassicFamilies is fantastic eg It even has the info that Carla Hanover's sire Danny Hanover won 9 races at Harold Park (including a 59 Derby heat)
How is it that HRA's online records are so poor for Australia (I have been told you probably cannot rely on their records pre 2000) when ClassicFamilies covers the whole world (only Classic winners, but still)

[Messenger]

PP is suggesting that one of the reasons Australian punting on NZ harness racing has declined is

On average about 2-3 of the races on each card are trotting events, which don't appeal to Australian punters.

I have no evidence of this, I don't know whether PP has, but if it is so why are we pushing the trotting gait?

Last night 6 of the 12 races at Bendigo were trots

[Messenger]

Locksley Lover has some very serious talent

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX040622#MXM04062209

In the main trot, I can see why James Herbertson got a QDT on Nephew Of Sonoko - what was he thinking!

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX040622#MXM04062208

[Messenger]

Have we seen the best of Majestuoso :confused:

[Messenger]

$30k for a Gp2 is pathetic.

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN300722#BNM30072210

[aussiebreno]

$30k for a Gp2 is pathetic.

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN300722#BNM30072210

The only problem is calling a 70 to 85 rc a Gp2.

[Showgrounds]

The only problem is calling a 70 to 85 rc a Gp2.

Correct. This is NOT what group races are meant to be.

[Messenger]

We only have 6 starters in the Gp1 for 3yo C&G and 7 for Gp1 3yo Fillies
This is because that is all we had in the heats

Why so few?
Did you have to have gone through the Premier sale to enter?

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX130822#MXM13082210

[Messenger]

3yo fillies and colts each have 2 heats of the Need For Speed at Melton tonight
Plymouth Chubb is returning for the first time this year
I cannot believe that Cravache Dor is now favourite
The Mannings know what they are doing
PB went 1.56.6 as a 2yo
CD has never broken 2mins

If you want to bet against PB, you could try Arcee Phoenix who is still $6.50 compared to CD odds on (Arcee beat Cravache at their last start)

It is only a heat but coasting is not the Mannings style

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX230822#MXC23082215

[Messenger]

Will the real Plymouth Chubb return - we will have to wait and see

BUT what a night it was for sire Village Mystic (a son of Love You)
This French sire served only 6 mares to produce 4 foals in 2018 - 2 of whom have raced
They won both heats of the Need For Speed Princess tonight

I don't know that it will translate into better patronage for VM as I note in his only other season - he served 6 last year for only 1 foal

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX230822

[Messenger]

More on the above breeding

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/international-influence-on-need-for-speed-winners/

[Messenger]

We saw the pacers Oaks and Derby over the longer trip last Saturday, why is it that the trotters Oaks tomorrow is over the shorter middle trip, in the past I thought it was the trotters that reveled over the longer trips

[Messenger]

Maryborough's big day on Sunday

The Derby looks a bit of a match race (after Plymouth threw away his place) with Cravache holding favouritism over Harry thanks to the superior draw

While in the Redwood, recent combatants Susan and the Locomotive share favouritism narrowly over Rockin who was their conqueror last time

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH301022