I reckon Jnr won't use ITMQ too much too early. Instead he'll hold up and run over them late.
GO QUINNY! GO YOU GOOD THING!
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I reckon Jnr won't use ITMQ too much too early. Instead he'll hold up and run over them late.
GO QUINNY! GO YOU GOOD THING!
Could well. But they tried that in the Miracle Mile and failed and i read somewhere recently where Jnr said he wouldnt do that again. I doubt Terrorway will give it the lead easy and the one who he could hand up to would be Bitobliss, and after last week Stewart may opt for a sit, putting Quinny 3 back. Or maybe I'm reading far too much into it like I usually do with big races lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
Nevertheless Every time he races he is in danger of bad luck because that's just his style. He can be last to come three wide and still win, his acceleration and top speed is just unbelievable. Play to his strengths IMO, go back and run over the top of them!
The great thing about harness is we will all find out soon enough.
Exactly... We could both throw up a couple hundred different scenarios & still get it wrong. Can't wait for Sat nite - going to be a great race!Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
No doubt will be an intriguing race can't wait, unfortunately can't get there Sat nite, family Xmas function!!!
Anyone know how Terrorway gets out of the gate, haven't had a look at his replays yet and of course Butts were confident to try and lead in the NZ Cup recently not handing up Terror to Love, so they may try same?
Big question will Hall use that electrifying pace to lead as mentioned before then hand up?.
On Harness.org.au/news today I read this, classic!!!
"Despite his poor draw, Lance Justice was ebullient when interviewed on RSN, suggesting Smoken Up was at or very close to his best and that the Victoria Cup was no one horse race this weekend.
“We drew out the back last weekend and won easily so that was good practice for this week,” he said.
“Nothing’s really changed. We’ll be off and around them early and we’ll turn the race into a true staying test.
“It’s funny, because they asked us what song we’d like to accompany our horse when they walk out onto the track. I chose Titanium for Smoken Up, but I can think of one for a few other horses as well.
“If I was choosing one for Im Themightyquinn I’d go for The Great Pretender.”
Sorry Brenno, couldn't resist.
Funny man Lance and good to see him adding some spice to the race. But if ITMQ is a pretender I'd hate to see what Justice says about Trigger given the head to head is 5 to 2. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Maorisidol
It might be safer trying to bet on the time they run rather than who is goin to win it :D
Im going to pick, Washakie, ITMQ, Terrorway - just to be a little different. Disclaimer - Im always depositing rather than withdrawing funds from my betting account :o
im expecting ITMQ to give them windburn then jnr to have a crack back at Lance after the race.
heres to hoping anyway
Here you go Brendan. http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=102485Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
** Your private message box is full so can;t send you PM...
Terrorway for me,any horse that can sit outside Smoken Up and beat him and has barrier 2 as well, has got to be very very hard to beat.(love the odds as well)
No secret our pick. Was told by wise people many,many years ago. If you want to be involved in horses;
1. Enjoy
2. Never expect a return on your outlay
3. Enjoy
4. Have long arms and short pockets coz will always be shelling out
5. thru 7. ENJOY
8. NEVER, EVER, EVER give up on a champion
GO TRIGGER !!!!!!!!!!!!
BOB for me. Always forgive a good horse one bad run.
Trying to work out who will lead in the Vic Cup. The kiwi's on the front line are the unknown here.
Anyone with more knowledge help me here. Who leads after 200,400 and 600m before the moves start?
There are a few who could but do they want to after what we saw last week, must be able to withstand plenty of pressure.
Bailey I am real knob (not nob) at speed maps...you put so much thought into how it will pan out, punt accordingly then watch it all turn to crap. Disclaimer now invoked. 'The' Gold Ace WILL lead, Mah Sish will take the trail, Terrorway and IMTQ will take sits but probably float back through the field as Smoken Up comes around. The Biggest ??? is what will they do with Bliss. They learnt a bit from last week when out of his comfort zone. I am thinking they will still go forward. Gold Ace has great form when leading, won the Gold Nugget over 2500 at GP last year leading it and recently knocked over Terror To Love in the NZ metro again leading, so he wont be handing up so easy but there is no way Lance is going change his mind.
Where does this leave us? The lead could be the poison chalice in this race if they don't back it off. For that reason, my top three are IMTQ, Washakie and Terrorway over the top of them, with Bliss still in there somewhere (if he is alright). People will be shaking their heads reading this. Can you imagine leaving horses like Melpark Major, Sushi and Carribean Blaster and SU out? Well you can only run 1, 2, or 3 and theres 13 of 'em. Will be cheering loudly if Trigger is still in front with 50 to go though bit different this year from 13, last year the pole, would be a task not many could achieve.
Thanks Brad, as you say " The lead could be the poison chalice in this race". I see 3 go forward horses, Smoken Up,Washakie and Pembroke Benny not to mention Terrorway who may also go forward early. The leader could be under more pressure than Julia
Brad did you check out where the release point was in the NZ FFA? Turned the race into a bit of a farce. I still like The Gold Ace though. And remember the owners knocked back $1m for him last year. Ironically from the owners of ITMQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
http://www.harness.org.au/news-artic...?news_id=19491
There was one last jibe from Smoken Up’s master-trainer heading into the Group 1 contest. “There’s going to be no excuses from the horses that have drawn well, hopefully they’re not sick this year or they’re not off colour,” Justice said. “They’ve got the greatest excuse book under the sun some of them but if we’re not good enough we’re not good enough, that’s the way it is.”
Go Lance! Absolutely toooo true!
Son tells me on show called "Chasing and Pacing" tonite on Sky2 G. Hall Jnr said sumfin like "If we took a sit in Miracle Mile we probably beat Smoken Up".
Hello??? He did take a sit. Couldn't get past him.
She's going to be a long and solemn trip home Sat night! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Toohard
Yes Leigh, Gold Ace certainly benefitted from that atrocious positioning of the start on the corner and led easily, still TTL was there at the right time and had his chance. Just saying he has got form to take advantage of a good barrier position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild
On the "war of words" between Lance and GH Snr, it reads a bit like a movie script (the one that comes to mind being Sea Biscuit, the East Coast of America versus the West Coast complete with barbs and slurs). I don't think either horse deserves the put downs, they both have magnificent records and have completely opposing racing patterns. I hope a few forum users took the time to look at Smoken Ups fast lap. When the starter says go on Sat night all that rhetoric will be out the door and it will just be the drivers and their horses and the track and getting the business done...the last thing on their minds will be what we all think.
The more I think about the race, the more I warm to IMTQ (sorry Toohard) and Terrorway
:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
There'll be no sookin from us!
We'll just be happy to be there and to have witnessed what should be one of the best races for years. Weather forecast not looking good. Bring a brolly!!
"LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!"
Well said Brad, Harness racing needs Lance for his sometimes outlandish remarks, how much good media has this race been given, all for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
On your selections, does John McCarthy getting off Terrorway from such a good draw worry you?
No! He had to drive one of them and I can't see any disadvantage having Andrew on Terrorway. Would be interesting to see how they arrived at their decision though.Quote:
Originally Posted by p plater
It's going to be a great race tonight and there is so many variables. I can't work out what Jnr is going to do but at odds on when he must race out of his comfort zone and not on his favorite track, he's not for me.
My small Tab account will go for a bit of value, Bitobliss at $8 looks value (can't forget his run beating SU), $3 a place Smoken Up (He's a tough bugger and his stats show he rarely misses a place) looks value and my roughy who went well last week and just below the radar is Franco Jamar at $51 each way.
Regardless of the result, this has created a great drama and plenty of passion on this forum and in the media and should get a large audience tonight.
Good luck to all runners and good luck on the punt
who would believe that this time last week bitobliss was a $2.50 second pick for the vic cup.1 bad run later and weve got $8.00. better for me i say. all the experts have said the bubble has burst. i will tell you now that scotty stewart has a hellium cannister and the bubble will be blown back up tonight. the bad run has provided us with better odds and has taken him away rom the spotlight. will be a great race
Hot race. Full credit to the winner.
I don't think there are any excuses for the beaten brigade. Quinny was excellent as was Mah Sish!
Looking forward to the Hunter Cup & Interdom.
Congratulations to Rob Nalder and all involved with Caribbean Blaster, a great effort from horror draw in quick time.
It must be said that with the soft run and easy out at the top of the straight IMQ's bubble has burst, it's far harder playing with the big boys. That said there are a few more who disappointed from good draws
I don't think any bubble has burst. The first 3 were all excellent.
Given the work Quinny did early his run was excellent.
Mitch, if you want to talk about work, what about Smoken Up 3 wide the entire until Washakie got a stitchQuote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
Yes I agree he did plenty of work as well. His run was also very good, as was Terrorway.
I dont want to sound like a complete prick but yet again gary jr broke under pressure in big races in the east side, its not the horse fault he lost ?? why did gary use his speed out of the barrier arms at the start??? what happen off belieaving in his speed????why play him out of his comfort zone??? even thou he had the sit behind the leader the pace was enought to take the sting away from his sprint, gary knew lance welll have the pace on god knows what gary was thinking
Average lead time 2240m at Melton is 46.4. Thats 631 metres from start to mile peg in 1.58.3 rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
Terrorway 41.9 lead time the equal fastest ever at Melton - 631 metres from start to mile peg in 1.46.8 rate. Still there on the bend too.
Smoken Up 3 wide going forward virtually the whole trip. Still there on the bend and gave his supporters big thrill yet again. The ultimate champion! He's very brave.
Caribbean Blaster HUGE !!!
Know would be completely different if ITMQ doesn't run the gate but he did get to the pegs pretty easily and looked the winner on the turn. If he doesn't go forward at the start he probably ends up behind Washakie and gets carried back through the field going down the back like Gold Ace was.
All credit to the winner. Too good. A race to remember.
Great night. Huge crowd, great atmosphere and the storms stayed away.
Well done HRV!
Other highlight of the night was breeno on the leader board in the tipping comp!!
Gary Jnr perhaps did not give his horse the best chance to win but Lance absolutlely slaughted SU. I thought the stewards could have charged him for not giving the horse every chance to win. SU did a great job to hang on as long as he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror
Perhaps you might be a bit harsh here, maybe that question could be asked of John McCarthy on WashakieQuote:
Originally Posted by clumsy
John McCarthy went to the death and did not press on for the lead, Lance was out three wide and driving with aggression to cross to the death or lead when he should have known that those positions were not going to be given to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by p plater
Great Vic cup full of action throughout.
Once commited to going three wide i think Lance had to keep on pushing forward John had the choice to hand up. i would of but im not John so that was his decision.
Smoken up as usual another big run, he just never stops trying. True warrior
Quinny met the best and although it was a good run he had his chance, the winner was too good on the night.
Mah sish really surprised me he stepped up and showed he can mix it with the best if he gets the right draw.
Throw in Terror to love and Excel stride and what an interdominion we have to look forward to.
In my opinion I dont think any horse will dominate the next 12 months the barrier draws will hold the key.
We hopefully should witness some mighty battles cant wait.
its pretty hard for the stewards to charge lance when he always driven smoken up that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by clumsy
Caribbean Blaster awesome. 3wide last 1300m well done.
Mah Sish. Did zip, sprintlane, 2nd.
Quinn. Sprinted for 300m. Had the cosiest sit possible after that for the next 1700m while at least 6 other horses go 3 wide making moves and some left 3 wide the whole race. Could have sprintlaned, chose to come 3 wide and sprint another 250m but ran out of heart within about 100m. Fading 3rd. I rest my case.
Melpark, 3wide last 1300, 4wide and about 12-15 m behind Quinn at the 400, got within 4.8m, excellent.
Terrorway, came out the gate as well as he could, immediately pushed forward 3wide to take lead as Quinn eased for cover, used plenty of gas first 4-500m, plugged on quite well.
Franco Jamar settled 1 by 2, dragged back, last at 500, came home well with Melpark, came home well at Cranbourne too...
Smoken Up 3 wide for 2240! Shame he didn't get to the death at bell. Still may not have won but would have been closer great run he has obviously still got it.
Sushi, 4pegs, followed Mah Sish but lost at least 2lengths on that horse in straight, couldn't pass Trigger or Terrorway or Melpark who all worked very hard, terrible.
The Gold Ace, burnt out quick with Quinn, eased and got 1 by 1 then 1by 2, dragged back by weakening Washakie and then checked by Melpark at 350 when following Carribean, eased to the line cos too far back, keep safe.
Washakie, 3wide until 1100 from home when got the death, but then accosted by Trigger, gone at 600, tough run but by his standards expected a little better, apparently trainer disappointed too.
Bitobliss, similar run to Washakie but was afforded 1 by 1, dragged back by Washakie, dropped to pegs to follow Sushi but actually lost at least 20m or more on that horse, wasn't driven out by Stewart may have been kind to him, but similar result as Cranbourne!
Pembrook Benny, 3wide whole trip following Trigger, what was he thinking! Last by 55m.
Slaughtered him? Not giving him every chance? That's the way he races! Smoken Up 3 wide entire race nearly finishes 2 lengths off of horse of the year who sat behind leader with cushy run the whole way. Washakie gone at 600m beaten 40m. Who giving their horse best chance to win?Quote:
Originally Posted by clumsy
So what was his best chance to win? Lance stated from day 1 what he was going to and did it. That was his best chance to win. No disrespect intended but you reckon Lance thought "Washakies in the death. I better not go forward"?
The work he did early? Give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
And given how the race was run,just exactly where do you think LJ should have been?Quote:
Originally Posted by clumsy
Looking at Smoken Up's personal time last night, he ran 1.54.3 being 3 wide the entire trip. His track record is 1.53.4. Lance is right, he has come back near his best. The more you watch the replay the more respect SU must get. Outstanding, he made the raceQuote:
Originally Posted by Toohard