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Which intention brenno? The original intention, last years intention or this years?Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Am told Gold Ace not in 2013 NZ Cup coz trainer said horse won't go away.
What about person(s) who misses out on start coz CODS horse allowed to run?
Gold Ace CODS. Why? If he started safely no need. If he begun the race properly, then no need for ODS. Luke McCarthy should be questioning this why he is still ODS if he begun properly. I've never ever seen any other horse put out of draw because it got inconvenienced by another. Which one is it????Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
It seems that nobody can answer such a simple question Brendan..
Maybe HRV will change the CODS regarding TGA, because they have no other choice without making them look absolutely STUPID & BIASED!!
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Originally Posted by aussiebreno
I am sorry Brendan, if you are asking me for the answer, I cannot help you. On this score I can offer you no reasonable explanation.
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Originally Posted by broncobrad
As a follow up to the above, here's the steward's report that is essentially what was in the article.
Im Corzin Terror NZ began badly and shifted outwards soon after the start and as a consequence The Gold Ace NZ was briefly inconvenienced and after originally placing this horse outside the standing start draw stewards were satisfied that due to the inconvenience caused the horse did not gallop of its own accord however will remain outside the standing start draw. Im Corzin Terror NZ was subsequently placed outside the draw.
Why should TGA remain ods if it has done nothing wrong?????? That is just insane!!! Ohh, they truly know that it did gallop due to its own accord, otherwise it will be not ods! Unbelievable! It picked up speed to quickly for his own good, hence breaking, not ICT fault. This just proves that HRV do as they please, when they please. Shonky *****
Nothing else to say really. I will stop here :p
Heard this happened tonight at the trials...it appears Im Corzin Terror was in the 3rd trial a stand. Stepped away, went half a lap and pulled up.
Now are the stewards going to allow this as a genuine trial as the Vic rules clearly state a horse must finish the trial without breaking gait.
Are they trying to get the ODS removed
I'll stop here too Smoken!
Watched replay son recorded on TV. Watched few times. Slow mo even.
No head on shot but if that horse galloped because of I'm Corzin Terror I'll eat me hat.
I'm Corzin Terror moves up the track before Gold Ace gets near him but is straightened by time Gold Ace gets there. Gold Ace is positioned up the track at start. There's heaps of room for Gold Ace to get through. Gold Ace does not slow up when reaches I'm Corzin Terror. Not like had to grab hold and go sideways to avoid I'm Corzin Terror.
Gallops as passes I'm Corzin Terror and continues to make ground galloping whilst the other ones galloping are restrained to get back into a pace. Then starts pacing.
Gold Ace. Galloped at last 3 stands. Once knocking another horse out of the race and being subsequently relegated to last. Passes conditions of rule.
Smoken Up hadn't had stand for 14 months last year. So hadn't had stand for 26 months before Shepparton Cup. Began perfectly. Last year doesn't pass conditions of rule.
As people said last year... "The point of the rule is ?????"
First of all, after watching replay at sheparton, tga appears to step well and pace cleanly for about 50m before galloping trying to avoid ict. He does appear to gallop for a long way however before getting back on gait. Personally I'm satisfied with the process of the review, the rules state that a trainer can ask for a review if a horse is put ods or cods. if the stewards actually spoke to the trainers/drivers after the race, before making their ruling, then this would never have been an issue.
On the issue of whether or not tga should still be cods, there are a number of reasons this can still be the case. Firstly to get back in the draw you need to have satisfactorily began clean at two consecutive trials/races. Secondly the trainer needs to sign a form prior to the start of the race indicating that he wishes to have his/her horse put back in the draw should it begin safely. Perhaps Luke is happy for the horse to be ods because he can stand up the track out of harms way and that gives tga his best chance to begin safely. None of us know what the actual circumstances are.
Finally if that is true about ict at trials tonight then it shouldn't be considered as one of his two starts to get back in draw because the rules state that you must complete the trial.
Ps. Smoken up is a freak, not the best horse just a great one and I hope he goes to hunter cup and I hope hrv finally get their handicapping of the race right cos it hasn't been for a long time.
GdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Njcstables
No handicaps in Hunter Cup this year. All start from the front (RBD)
http://media.harness.org.au/vic/BNC12121307.mp4
For benefit of Broncobrad. Watch Giacomo in the yellow from four one the front line. He went just as far if not further than Gold Ace before going sketchy for a couple strides. He was made ODS. Hope that clears up the at start/after start for you.
I lied, I can't stop :p
Everything about this is just plain wrong! It's doing my head in that some people can't see this!
Scrap the rule book, and replace it with a book of Circus Clowns!
I have seen that replay over 40 times, and my opinion is exactly what I stated!
I am glad Paul saw what I saw for the last 40 times :)
Just saw that replay brenno posted. Gee **** wiz!!
From the Victorian rule book.
8.2.2
In a standing start
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not delay the start through intractability and leave the
barrier at the correct gait then complete the trial in a competitive manner
without losing gait or rhythm.
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Originally Posted by aussiebreno
Brendan, I have already said I can offer no reason why the horse is still ODS, please ask HRV or Luke. They will have the answer, not me.
Your example to clear up the at start/after start only muddies the waters. Giacomo skipped of his own accord, he didn't have a horse parked in front to cause the driver to take evasive action as TGA had to. The stewards report that he 'broke after start' but as you say he was made ODS (as were about 150 horses in that race).
It is a matter of opinion/conjecture as to why TGA galloped, it is plain as day that Giacomo broke without another horse interfering with him.
Smoken, you are a big fibber lol
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Originally Posted by broncobrad
Forgetting The Gold Ace for a second, the only point I was trying to clarify was what is at the start / after the start for you. 50m down the track is still considered part of the start (even if BAS stands for Broke after start) as that is considered part of the start. If they break in home straight you will notice they only say broke...not Broke after start even though technically it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncobrad
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Originally Posted by Smoken
How many of those 40 times was it the head on vision that you've watched?
I can't lie and say I have seen head on, but I don't need to lie, as it's clear as day to see that as Paul said, Luke had an option to what to do, and if you were to look at the replay as many times as I have, if you're honest, you will admit that the interference was extremely minimal if any at all caused to TGA!
He simply galloped out because he started to quickly, and as I said, his galloping was at the same speed if not quicker, & Luke did absolutely nothing to try bring him back into a pace!
That ground he made up was unfair, look at it again and judge for yourself.
I agree Brad, I am a fibber, but not on this occasion :)