The ASBP Report: How can they be serious? Bad news for harness owners

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Originally Posted by roosters

You really dont get it. This is not about giving breeders a free kick. This report is about increasing foal numbers.

Seem as though you are mr Knowitall, can you explain how you would address the problem of rapidly diminishing foal numbers?

And my numbers show the average benefit is about 1-2% of total costs for ONE year. Zero funding every other year. That isn't going to increase numbers.

About 20 foals might get a higher price at the yearling sales that is about it.

Why hurt something that is increasingly bring in horse numbers when the rewards of doing so are very minimal?

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Originally Posted by Lance Justice

we dont need foals we need RACEHORSES ! according to your fricking report half of any extra foals bred (fillies) because of the scheme will be under raced... hardly makes alot of sense to replace RACING nz horses with foals that your panel has already proven are under utilised

how will increasing foal numbers make our sport better? your side says more races = more turnover = more prizemoney ... how does that help anyone bar the tab? 1000 foals spiltting 100 million in prizemoney have the same returns as 2000 foals getting 200 mill in prizemoney

If TAB has more turnover we get more outside funding. This is probably the most important source of inflow of cash for the sport. We
That said; the plan won't increase fields anyway.

EDIT: Had a better look at what you said and yeah ignore my post.

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Originally Posted by Lance Justice

we dont need foals we need RACEHORSES ! according to your fricking report half of any extra foals bred (fillies) because of the scheme will be under raced... hardly makes alot of sense to replace RACING nz horses with foals that your panel has already proven are under utilised

how will increasing foal numbers make our sport better? your side says more races = more turnover = more prizemoney ... how does that help anyone bar the tab? 1000 foals spiltting 100 million in prizemoney have the same returns as 2000 foals getting 200 mill in prizemoney

Lance where do NZ racehorses come from ? FOALS that is why we need more foal's to turn into racehorse's so as to compete with the Import's is the way i understand it if we can have a better product here and more number's of that product perhap's there won't be the need for as many import's !

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Originally Posted by Greg Hando

Just a myth Genes don't change

besides Sushi are there any other good ET horses?

How much does it cost to do the ET?

Greg; the Credit scheme with funding from import fee is not going to increase numbers whatsoever. It is an average of $200 per mare for their lifetime breeding. It will take away the number of imports and fields will actually go down.

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Originally Posted by roosters

You really dont get it. This is not about giving breeders a free kick. This report is about increasing foal numbers.

Seem as though you are mr Knowitall, can you explain how you would address the problem of rapidly diminishing foal numbers?

Now come on Roosters. Mr Knowitall? Far from. Love to learn all the time.

I have explained myself already so go back through the 23 odd pages and read.

I oppose the funding of the credit scheme, I do not oppose trying to get more foals but there are many inherent flaws that we haven't even touched on yet.

Good day :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Lance Justice

greg, i totally understand what your trying to get at - but the scheme is substitutional, replacing nz imported horses (the majority of which are horses already racing or winners) with aussie horses. 50% of these foals will be fillies, so 50% of these horses wil not be raced as much as the horses that would be otherwise imported

embryo transfer is 3k... i think the receipent still matters, needs to be a good mother who will bust themselves putting milk into their foal

i can see both side's of the arguement that is why we need more filly and mare race's as well as more foal's to try and compete with the import's . I think what the panel has come up with is good overall( Except the high import fee )and see it as a way of trying to stimulate the breeding side of our industry here in AUS and hope to get more quality foal's on the ground to be able to compete in an open market,
and by the way the Import fee is way too high it is a ridiculous number

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Originally Posted by eliteblood

I know the owners of Sabilize well and they were just too damned stubborn to give up on her. If medals get handed out for that then I agree, they deserve one.

Hey Eliteblood

Are you sure you know the owner's lol.

I think ET is $5000+ , wish it was only around $3000.
Remember some people thought AI would produce weaker horses, well I think thats been shown to be wrong. ET should not effect the quality of the foal. It can effect the mares race form if she is racing and being served ect.

I think it was Eliteblood that suggested a sliding scale for the amount payable on imports over? 90 days.

The BigGirl (think that's her name) posted that horses coming here for the big races, returning to NZ with the money should pay a premium.

Both of these suggestions make more sense to me.

The dropping of the origin (NZ) behind the horse names will lessen the pain, could that be the real issue that the panel members want to address?
It shits me to have to look at NZ NZ NZ NZ all the time... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh