I think you are correct with the rumor mill BUT once the charge sheet from O'toole was published as you said Bill it became more clear .
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I think you are correct with the rumor mill BUT once the charge sheet from O'toole was published as you said Bill it became more clear .
Yes but under the rules he must hand over phone records so they can investigate because he is a registered person.
Could you imagine what would happen if a bookie decided to not hand over his books...... Licence suspended:eek:
I believe the court documents show he handed his records into nsw police as soon as they became available! Can you blame him or anyone else for not handing over their records to hrnsw??? I wouldn't trust them with your moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by ringman
Point being he was not asked to hand over his money only records, to my understanding the warning off was found to have been the appropriate action because the offence was proven. It was only lifted when the records were provided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoore
No champ point being why would anyone trust hrnsw with their private records....I wouldn't trust them with YOUR money!!!
As is your usual rant at the controlling body can you please provide me with one example of HRNSW ever doing anything that would have been considered even slightly inappropriate with the records provided by someone in any inquiry or investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoore
If they had in the past stuffed up by private documents becoming public, yes you might have a point but from my memory this is not the case which would indicate the can in fact be trusted.
I was on course that night Brendan and it was an absolute setup. 2 very happy and smug drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trotter
Check out the owners of the winner as well. It will become a little clearer as well.
All involved up to their eyeballs.
I have followed this thread with interest and it is obvious that amongst the posters we have:
Defenders of the indefensible
Those that have an inherent resentment of authority
Those that are crying for blood and do not acknowledge that there is a process that must be followed or natural justice laws come into play.
Those with an axe to grind or a giant chip on their shoulder
A small number of posters who can see the bigger picture and are prepared to allow those running the inquiry to take their time to get it right.
I had no intention of posting until l read the comments about the Newcastle race. I do not follow Nsw Harness Racing closely so I had a look at the replay of the race in a question. Unles I am missing something I cannot see what more the driver on the short price favorite could have done other than get out and carry it.
1000 % correct great post .Quote:
Originally Posted by Chariots
Ray your not going too see a rort with the "kill horse"s driver laying out the cart too hold it back.. Yes Ben looks too be trying but watch reins and horses head and mouth. Reins tight bit right up in his mouth horses head on his chest mouth open.
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Originally Posted by Trotter
Trotter I have just watched that race again and if patches ohoulihan hits the line with mouth wide open and head on his chest then I will walk 10 laps around Menangle next Miracle Mile night buck naked (and that wouldn't be a pretty sight) . Mate I watched that race live and smelt a rat when Sarina wouldn't hand the chair up to young Harding on Trittons horse,
I thought he was running cover for the stablemate and actually said that to my missus during the race.
To me at the time I thought it was a case of the fav being a little under done ( and that's why Sarina would be running cover ) and the longer price stablemate getting up .
If your imfo about the plonk coming off is accurate then it was a masterful coupe ,but as I said earlier IMO the leader was under the bat and flat chat. But that is just my opinion.
cheers Denny
There all grubs Denny. Was actually good too see someone not handing up too a triton horse. I'm sick too death of him having 3 or so horses in a race and team driving.
Awesome first post Ray u came flying out of the barrier, dominated the race and put all and sundry in their box, i would love to put names to each of your descriptions but some people may get a little too offended...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chariots
Trotter, r u serious when u say " Reins tight bit right up in his mouth horses head on his chest mouth open."?
Mate i wasnt on track, but i have watched the replay and particularly the last 150m a few times and that horses reigns were slack, he was being driven out for the most of the straight, the earplugs were pulled at the top of the straight, his head was nowhere near his chest at the finish, it was stretched out as in flat out speed, his mouth was not open, and as for "bit right up in his mouth" (as opposed to NOT right up in his mouth) thats a ripper.
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Originally Posted by Maorisidol
Does this mean I'm out of doing my nudy run ???????????? lol
WOH there is a 100 post thread in that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trotter
I hope so we are trying to attract crowds back to the trots not scar them for life.Quote:
Originally Posted by A BIT DUSTY
[VVV] I'm no wrap for old mate by any stretch of the imagination...but that's just not right Brendan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trotter
I agree with Denny & Maori's. The horse looks to have been given every chance.
The drive on Beef City Beau at Menangle back in June(?) however, that was another story. But, I disgress. :rolleyes:
It is always 'uncomfortable' when a $15 stablemate beats an Evens Fav. Reese looks like he knew he had his Fav covered. It would not have hurt appearances for Sarina to have used the persuader more than twice - his submission was in stark contrast to Proctor giving LILI plenty when it had 3rd shot to bits but was never going to do any better than that
We wont have to put up with Sarina for a while soon so thats a positive move forward
I don't know ringman. So far the Sarina's have only been charged with the minor offence of giving falce evidence. No charges of coruption.
I guarantee everyone that gets in trouble over this scandal gets off in appeal. Look at the sarinas charge, nothing there. They will be backkkkkkkk
If their is no EVIDENCE then so they should be allowed back, they should never have been stood down without any solid EVIDENCE,I am sure if their was EVIDENCE the police would have knocked on their door. HRNSW should let the police run the whole investigation and only deal with the people the police find evidence on under their rules. You talk about the appeal process , well funny that if the court lets them off on appeal does that not emphasise that their is NO EVIDENCE and at least the judge is qualified and has a degree behind them and knows the LAW, innocent until proven guilty with evidence not like HRNSW want to run guilty until you prove your innocent with no evidence. Keep going like this and their won't be anyone left in the industry,Draw a line in the sand and move forward HRNSW, spend your energy and money on promoting the sport and encouraging people to own horses instead of constantly talking about the scandal and attacking the current industry participants, and if their is evidence that a participant has done something wrong then deal with them in a professional manner or even better let the police deal with them,look At the people attending the races almost zero, no general public ,owners,breeders,spectators,punters just trainers and drivers
John if there was No EVIDENCE do you really think they would be stood down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airds
At the very least the Stipes have EVIDENCE that they LIED , and that my friend is enough to stand them down.
I would think when the EVIDENCE about the 12 races they won during the FREE PASS period is revealed they will get their TRUE penalty
Ron, I said "IF" their is no evidence they should be allowed back! As for the 12 races you mention again "IF" their is evidence I am sure they will be penalised accordingly and/or receive a knock on the door from the strike force
You were trying to say there is no evidence. "I am sure if there was evidence the police would have knocked on their door" pretty much infers that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airds
The problem for me is while a small group are stood down a much larger group still participate freely.
The other annoying thing is the fools that were led around by the nose by the smell of money are gone. Those that dangle the carrots remain.
This investigation is going nowhere and while this is the case harness racing moves backwards by the day. It has to be brought to a head soon and as sad as it is accept that most of the crooks got away with it and just put measures in place such as the swabbing of all winners to ensure this can never happin again.
Some News from RacingNSW on a name we all know.
Friday, 6 January 2012
Stewards Inquiry Into Bag Of Nickels
The Stewards today held inquiries into the conduct of Mr Matthew Bentley in the mounting enclosure following the running of Race 8 - $50K TAB First 4 Jackpot Handicap at the Rosehill Gardens race meeting conducted on 26 December 2012 and further into the interests/shares held in the racehorse Bag Of Nickels which was successful in that event..
Evidence today was taken from Mr Matthew Bentley, Mr Mark Vallender lessor and managing lessee of Bag Of Nickels, part lessee and trainer Mr David Vandyke and Mr Peter Bentley a registered lessee of Bag Of Nickels. Further evidence was provided by Journalists Mr Chris Roots and Mr Warwick Barr (by teleconference). Statements were also tendered from journalists Mr Ray Thomas, Mr Clinton Payne and Mr Dallas Baker.
Mr Matthew Bentley pleaded guilty to a charge under AR175(q) of improper conduct in respect to comments he directed towards journalist Mr Chris Roots whilst present in the mounting enclosure. Mr Bentley was fined the sum of $500 and advised of his rights of appeal.
In respect to the consideration of the evidence regarding the interests/shares held in Bag Of Nickels Stewards adjourned the matter to give consideration to the large volume of evidence tendered at the inquiry. Stewards ruled that Bag Of Nickels be permitted to start at the Warwick Farm race meeting conducted 7 January 2011 whilst they give consideration to the evidence however ruled that any prizemoney won by Bag Of Nickels be held in trust until such time as the matter is determined.
M F Van Gestel
Deputy Chairman of Stewards
I would pay $500 to give Chris Roots a spray every day of the week...... In the "no good" books his name is top of the list!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason
In relation to this Harness Racing Scandal, I can only recall him reporting the facts ...don't shoot the messenger they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoore
[VVV] I certainly haven't liked what we've all been reading Doug...but that's not because it wasn't true. I'd much rather he be writing about better things, no doubt we all would, but at no stage can I recall him being wrong or flying loose with the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmoore
All things considered I think Chris has probably gone relatively easy on it all. He could have so easily gone harder, much, much harder. I've seen other journos that have had a whole lot less to talk about make a whole lot more of a fuss.
Chris has a job to do and all he did was report the facts, which is better than some others have done in the past.
[VVV] Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by zipzap
I have followed Harnessgate with interest. Chris Roots has done nothing but bag the sport and everyone in it. I have never once read a positive article he has written. He is sour on the world. And then Roots has the hide to go and cry when people give him a spray....please.....grow up!!! At least other reporters like B. Zerafa have tried to find some positives to come out of it.
Your comments on Chris Roots are total rubbish if any honest journalist can pit a positive spin on the current scandal they are not reporting the facts there in the short term no positives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amiacar
In relation to you comments on Zerafa please attach a link to the so called article of support in relation to the scandal... I must have missed it.
I LOVE Harness Racing, I LOVE the horses and for the most part :p, the people.
I'll always come out swinging whenever I think someone has bagged Harness Racing unfairly in the Press or on Radio or wherever but to date, from all I've read, Chris Roots has done nothing more nor less than his job and especially so given the absolutely bloody dreadful nature of the subject at hand surely nobody can hold that against him?
I certainly don't feel personally offended by any of his writings to date. I'm disappointed that's the Press we get at the moment but the guy can't get pinched for telling the truth.
Damaging bribery charges reach the test
Chris Roots
January 8, 2012
Dean Atkinson and Greg and Ben Sarina will become the first licensees to front the special stewards panel inquiring into alleged corruption in the sport in the NSW Industrial Relations Court on Thursday. This is the next step in cleaning up the sport. Its image is at its lowest due to allegations of stewards being paid not to drug-test horses in a period of more than 18 months. Harness Racing NSW regulatory manager Reid Sanders will be acting as the prosecutor, presenting a large brief of evidence in each of the cases to the panel of Justice Wayne Haylen, former steward Des Gleeson and Racing NSW chief steward Ray Murrihy. We have worked right through the Christmas period compiling evidence and getting the brief ready for this week, Sanders said. It is still an ongoing investigation and we are still interviewing people of interest and there could be more charges to come [from Harness Racing NSW]. It is a difficult matter because of the criminal charges that are also involved, but we are determined to get it right.
Does anyone know if Thursday's hearings are open hearings. I'm in Sydney this week and was thinking of dropping in to watch the precedings.
As for russo I think this is pretty weak. With 12 months the going rate for a positive. But remove your horse so it can't be swabbed gets 9 months I think is just soft. Should be like DUI the punishment for refusing the test is greater than the offence.
There's an idea. Take some sandwiches, a nice thermos of tea (hopefully a Tartan number) and a newspaper & just make yourself right at home Andy.
Similarly, I'm thinking of attending the 'Big Day Out' at The Downing Centre in February.
They've a very nice cafe there, just on your right as you enter. Friendly staff, good coffee & they also make great blueberry muffins. What more could you ask for?
I believe Chris Murphy's tan is even more impressive in person than it is on TV. ;)