Goodbye Lance

[aussiebreno]

lets say a strapper has a grief with his trainer boss and secretly slaps some DMSO on a horse, the trainer is innocent, its a nasty setup, its proven to be a setup as in the strapper confesses BUT the rules states...trainer guilty cos he "presented the horse"!

Just a little extra on this subject and how inconsistent this law is . Denis Wilson was in Queensland with Attitagain when one of his horses in sydney goes positive because of a stable employee giving the wrong horse medication A stable employees paid to do stuff by Wilson, Wilson get's suspended . D. Thomas goes positive for bute his mother Not an employee of the trainer say's she gave the wrong horse the bute ,mother gets fined D. Thomas no suspension.
Gai Waterhouse Different code horse goes positive to coke , stable hand says he does coke must have touched horse Gai fined no suspension Not scientifically proven it could be transferred , D Smith goes positive for bute his father say's he gave wrong horse the bute D Smith suspended D Smith never heard the name, galloping trainer? If so different code. WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD SOME FORM OF CONSISTENCY REGARDING PENALTIES.

Also, there is more than one reason behind a decision. No two circumstances are the same.

[Maorisidol]

Analogy does not make sense. They are humans. A coach getting fined because of one of is players would be a trainer getting fined because of the driver doing something wrong. And surprise surprise if the horse wins who most trainers pay the drivers fine anyway!

Breno, my meaning being if any person gets "fined accused convicted" of anything, but ANY other person, fellow teammate, strapper, person of general public Actually commits the crime, my point is, it's dumb that the Trainer/Coach/whoever, cops the crap!

[A BIT DUSTY]

Also, there is more than one reason behind a decision. No two circumstances are the same.

BRENDAN HAVE YOU LOST THE F----- PLOT D.Wilson was 900 klms away D thomas's mother was living on the same property working with the horses , the fact that one was a paid employee and the other was not has got F all to do with a trainer presenting a horse to race free of a prohibited substance , it is total responsibility of the trainer that is why I was bemoaning the lack of consistency. D. Smith happens to train one of Australia's best galloping sprinters Atomic Force I'm sorry for not making this clearer, I took it for granted that most people with any currant sporting knowledge would have known this. Obviously the reference was a comparison to Gai Waterhouse getting off.

Your comments re: A stable employees paid to do stuff by Wilson, Wilson get's suspended . D. Thomas goes positive for bute his mother Not an employee of the trainer .

Using your logic Brendan HOW do you Explain the Waterhouse ( paid employee) get's off. D Smith ( non payed father ) get's suspended. Please don't give me the different codes thing because we are under the same legal system in Australia.

[p plater]

The horse had DMSO in its system(9.3mg/l on 1 April and the higher reading 8 April). Who did it? Maybe it was Tinkerbell waving her magic wand around and spreading fairy dust in the guise of DMSO. Lance has stated he never uses the stuff - hates it. So an explanation is required regarding the April 1 reading even if it is in the legal range. Very incriminating in my mind.

Just so you understand MA. DMSO is in our food chain, it is natures way of us getting our required sulphur. How much have you consumed today from the following list. It is also interesting that lucerne has the highest level of DMSO that is why a level of 15 has been set to allow for daily consumption in racing horses. The list includes; Alfalfa,Asparagus,Barley,Beans,Beets,Cabbage,Corn, Cucumbers,Oats,Onions,Swiss Chard,Tomatoes,Apples,Raspberries,Spearmint,Beer,C offee,Tea and Lucerne.
Did you enjoy your DMSO today?

[A BIT DUSTY]

Also, there is more than one reason behind a decision. No two circumstances are the same.

Not scientifically proven it could be transferred ,*


Waterhouse, a 2007 Hall of Fame nominee, has had an exemplary record since taking out her trainer's licence in 1992. Her only previous drugs-related issue was the Love You Honey cocaine affair where the trainer was fined $15,000 by stewards but had that penalty over-turned on appeal after it was established the positive swab was more likely a result of contamination from a stablehand


Just to enlighten you a little more Brendan in a court of law you don't have to have SCIENTIFIC PROOF to have reasonable doubt. KEEP READING MY POST YOUR LEARNING EVERY DAY.

[Mighty Atom]

Hi Rod Good question and I hope I can shed some light on it for you .The reason there is a threshold for D.M.S.O is because it is a by product from trees, therefore
it is a naturally occuring product ,ie a horse chews on a bit of bark while in the paddock or chews the railing of his yard can give a reading. So you can put your tinkerbell theory to rest. Hear is some very interesting reading http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/DMSO.htm

Thanks Denny for the info and reading material,very interesting.

[A BIT DUSTY]

Thanks Denny for the info and reading material,very interesting.

Hi Rod I only stumbled on that site looking for some info on D.M.S.O , but it blew me away with some of the claims in it ,I'm certainly going to do a bit more research into it.

[aussiebreno]

Breno, my meaning being if any person gets "fined accused convicted" of anything, but ANY other person, fellow teammate, strapper, person of general public Actually commits the crime, my point is, it's dumb that the Trainer/Coach/whoever, cops the crap!

Yeah I get your point but its a bad analogy because in 99% of cases humans can control our actions but horses can't control a drug getting into their system.

[aussiebreno]

BRENDAN HAVE YOU LOST THE F----- PLOT D.Wilson was 900 klms away D thomas's mother was living on the same property working with the horses , the fact that one was a paid employee and the other was not has got F all to do with a trainer presenting a horse to race free of a prohibited substance , it is total responsibility of the trainer that is why I was bemoaning the lack of consistency. D. Smith happens to train one of Australia's best galloping sprinters Atomic Force I'm sorry for not making this clearer, I took it for granted that most people with any currant sporting knowledge would have known this. Obviously the reference was a comparison to Gai Waterhouse getting off.

Your comments re: A stable employees paid to do stuff by Wilson, Wilson get's suspended . D. Thomas goes positive for bute his mother Not an employee of the trainer .

Using your logic Brendan HOW do you Explain the Waterhouse ( paid employee) get's off. D Smith ( non payed father ) get's suspended. Please don't give me the different codes thing because we are under the same legal system in Australia.

Without knowing the cases in specific law isn't a science experiment where you have a dependent variable and an independent variable. In law cases there are many variables you can't just take one similarity between the case and say the rulings weren't consistent.

The different codes do have different rules btw.

[A BIT DUSTY]

Without knowing the cases in specific law isn't a science experiment where you have a dependent variable and an independent variable. In law cases there are many variables you can't just take one similarity between the case and say the rulings weren't consistent.

The different codes do have different rules btw.

Brendan wipe the sleep out your eye mate and read what I wrote, I said both codes are under the same legal system . Which means after the respective hearings of either code you can challenge the findings in the SAME COURT SYSTEM IN AUSTRALIA.