Dominatin

[craig]

Cassie.

Don’t you ever call me a coward again, or you will find out quick smart, how big bad and nasty this world is. At no stage did I slander any of the people you claimed I have. I pointed out a fact and that fact still exists. Luke is out training and out driving everyone in NSW at the moment. You then made the suggestion that it was an insult to these champion trainers that they would have to lift there game if they wanted to compete with Luke. Guess what, if they don’t lift there game then they won’t be able to compete against him and I don’t doubt for one second that some of them wont issue him with a challenge. Do you realise what made them top trainers in the first place. Trying to beat the trainer in front of them. That is what made them top grade trainers in the first place. Why don’t you go and get your trainers licence and take Luke on. Oh sorry is that too much of a challenge for you. Do you find it easier to slander him instead. How would you feel if you were to start winning races only to hop on here and see people calling you a cheat. Bet you would not like it at all. Next time you are at the races and you see Luke, why don’t you go up and front him and tell him what you are quite happy to say on here, while thinking you are well hidden behind your computer screen. I doubt very much that you will.

You basically have come onto this forum and accused Luke of been a cheat. Never once has Luke or when he was with his father did they have to front up to explain any kind of irregularity in a swab. Yet you persist on calling him a cheat by the constant accusations that you and a couple of other small minded individuals insist on making. Do yourself a big favour. Keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keypad. Otherwise the next time you comment, you could find yourself in some legal bother. If you wish to continue to misrepresent what I have said don’t be surprised if you find legal action coming your way. I will not have you taking what I have said and changing it to suit yourself. You would be well advised to desist from doing this again, any time in the future.

It is sad to see where this forum has ended up. Have seen to many now, that start off well with people talking about the industry and discussing what is happening in it, only to have a few narrow minded people come along and think they have a right to make unfounded accusations about someone they don’t like. I believe it is time that this website closed down the entire forum section. It no longer is been used for what it was meant. It is now been used as a vehicle by some to show their true colours. These same people who pretend to care or love the industry are doing nothing more than giving it a black eye with there comments.

[barney]

Craig What a lot of people on here are saying is what the general punters are saying his domination seems unreal.I for one dont know if he is a user or not.I have been told by people in the game that he is but that well maybe sour grapes or it may not, time will tell i guess.
But from my point of view anyone dominating like this is not good for the sport on top of the scandal that is being played out right now.The sport needs good publicity but just right now keeps getting bad.The smoken up saga hasnt helped at all and now the Raglan saga.
I have been involved in some way for more time than i wish to remember but have never been closer to just walking away as feel it is a losing battle.

[candykisses]

Craig What a lot of people on here are saying is what the general punters are saying his domination seems unreal.I for one dont know if he is a user or not.I have been told by people in the game that he is but that well maybe sour grapes or it may not, time will tell i guess.
But from my point of view anyone dominating like this is not good for the sport on top of the scandal that is being played out right now.The sport needs good publicity but just right now keeps getting bad.The smoken up saga hasnt helped at all and now the Raglan saga.
I have been involved in some way for more time than i wish to remember but have never been closer to just walking away as feel it is a losing battle.

Barney your wasting your time

Craig is so in love with Luke he can't believe how anyone could possibly think he isn't squeeky clean
He would rather believe that very good and premiership winning trainers all of a sudden have forgot how to train horses .
He want's to blame every Trainer and Driver in NSW for falling behind rather than look at how one man has leaped forward.
So anyone who dares to have suspicions about his Luke better watch out or they will find out how bad and nasty this world can be (what a hero)
Last time I checked Craig Australia was a free country and every one is entitled to their opinion , and just because it differs from yours does not give you the right to tell me or anyone to keep their mouth shut , as for the coward remark ,IF THE SHOE FITS

[Messenger]

Cassie.

Don’t you ever call me a coward again, or you will find out quick smart, how big bad and nasty this world is. At no stage did I slander any of the people you claimed I have. I pointed out a fact and that fact still exists. Luke is out training and out driving everyone in NSW at the moment. You then made the suggestion that it was an insult to these champion trainers that they would have to lift there game if they wanted to compete with Luke. Guess what, if they don’t lift there game then they won’t be able to compete against him and I don’t doubt for one second that some of them wont issue him with a challenge. Do you realise what made them top trainers in the first place. Trying to beat the trainer in front of them. That is what made them top grade trainers in the first place. Why don’t you go and get your trainers licence and take Luke on. Oh sorry is that too much of a challenge for you. Do you find it easier to slander him instead. How would you feel if you were to start winning races only to hop on here and see people calling you a cheat. Bet you would not like it at all. Next time you are at the races and you see Luke, why don’t you go up and front him and tell him what you are quite happy to say on here, while thinking you are well hidden behind your computer screen. I doubt very much that you will.

You basically have come onto this forum and accused Luke of been a cheat. Never once has Luke or when he was with his father did they have to front up to explain any kind of irregularity in a swab. Yet you persist on calling him a cheat by the constant accusations that you and a couple of other small minded individuals insist on making. Do yourself a big favour. Keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keypad. Otherwise the next time you comment, you could find yourself in some legal bother. If you wish to continue to misrepresent what I have said don’t be surprised if you find legal action coming your way. I will not have you taking what I have said and changing it to suit yourself. You would be well advised to desist from doing this again, any time in the future.

It is sad to see where this forum has ended up. Have seen to many now, that start off well with people talking about the industry and discussing what is happening in it, only to have a few narrow minded people come along and think they have a right to make unfounded accusations about someone they don’t like. I believe it is time that this website closed down the entire forum section. It no longer is been used for what it was meant. It is now been used as a vehicle by some to show their true colours. These same people who pretend to care or love the industry are doing nothing more than giving it a black eye with there comments.

Hmmm. Legal action threatened on a forum. Maybe you are not suited to forum banter Craig but then again maybe such threats are one of the disadvantages of using our real names ie Dumbo calling Pinhead an Idiot cannot be taken seriously but John calling Betty a ..... can. Maybe this is why the old Vic harness racing forum did not last very long - legal threats (Was it really necessary Craig?)

[murray green]

craig craig craig . What a goose . Luke gets his horses going amazingly well . I think we should call him Harry Potter . He waves his wand over them and they find 30 lengths . If he is Harry , that makes you Dobby , his protector

[barney]

What does surprise me and i may have missed some but notice that the Douglas stable from Victoria dont seem to travel to Menangle like they did to Harold park.Would think with bigger prizemoney they would be chasing it.

[mightymo]

What does surprise me and i may have missed some but notice that the Douglas stable from Victoria dont seem to travel to Menangle like they did to Harold park.Would think with bigger prizemoney they would be chasing it.

A number of races for the first few weeks of the new increased prizemoney, have required horses to be domiciled in NSW for at least 28 days

[Greg Hando]

Craig What a lot of people on here are saying is what the general punters are saying his domination seems unreal.I for one dont know if he is a user or not.I have been told by people in the game that he is but that well maybe sour grapes or it may not, time will tell i guess.
But from my point of view anyone dominating like this is not good for the sport on top of the scandal that is being played out right now.The sport needs good publicity but just right now keeps getting bad.The smoken up saga hasnt helped at all and now the Raglan saga.
I have been involved in some way for more time than i wish to remember but have never been closer to just walking away as feel it is a losing battle.

Barney what would you have HRNSW do to stop this so called domination then ?

[Drivemecrazy]

Barney your wasting your time

Craig is so in love with Luke he can't believe how anyone could possibly think he isn't squeeky clean
He would rather believe that very good and premiership winning trainers all of a sudden have forgot how to train horses .
He want's to blame every Trainer and Driver in NSW for falling behind rather than look at how one man has leaped forward.
So anyone who dares to have suspicions about his Luke better watch out or they will find out how bad and nasty this world can be (what a hero)
Last time I checked Craig Australia was a free country and every one is entitled to their opinion , and just because it differs from yours does not give you the right to tell me or anyone to keep their mouth shut , as for the coward remark ,IF THE SHOE FITS

Wow, this is the first one I have replied to, I could not help myself.Cassie, Australia is a free country, but you still need to have proof beyond reasonabledoubt to accuse, and to actually convict here also. Do you have this, hardevidence and proof to back up your claims that LM may be using 'alternate'methods?

I used to go to the races in QLD all the time, and I watched LM and hisfather bring there team of horses thru the ranks, and succeed. I see nothingwrong with this. He has also been given some good horses also, another reason.

As for Craig's comment about other trainers improving their training, yesthey will have to. They will also need to start to look at the quality of horsethat they send around. it is a round trip, and it goes on all the time. You seeit in every state, all the time .. I mean do you think that these trainerstrain the same way today as they did 10 year ago> of course not!.. why not,because they improved on it, they changed the style of racing and the type ofhorse.

More to the point of being so nasty to another forum member, Are you upsetthat one person is having success?? Or upset that things arent going your way,i notice you’re a stable hand, is this why your so upset, is your boss upsetthat there horses are not the same quality at this stage, and still have alittle bit of improving to do to do the times?

Messenger and Barney, true that there is banter, but cassie i think fromreading this forum over stepped the mark and went into personal attacking. Iwould say Craig has the right to retaliate. And quite frankly, if A personwrote a letter to me personally, or posted comments mentioning me, and thoseactions in a public paper, legal action would be forthcoming. Yes the Vic forumdid not last, nor did the one on harness dot org?? I recall that they wereattacking a commentator I think…Anyway, it seems that the times when one had tohave proof before making allagations has long gone. But then so does the needto believe and listen to it.

It seems simple to me. A person, has moved states, come with fresh horses,and given some good horses, using tried and tru training fashions and new ones.Is producing winners. Its no mystery.

From a puntting point of view, I like it. I know the form, I know that theyare there to win, I know my odds are good.

[barney]

Barney what would you have HRNSW do to stop this so called domination then ?

Nothing they can do i guess but still not good for the sport and anyone who argues it is is deluding themselves and dont talk to the average punter who now avoid Harness like a plague.