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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzy View Post
    vvv i'm well acquainted with the menangle /camden region, in fact most of sydney's outskirts. Suburbia is spreading on all of sydneys outskirts and there is a population increase of 200,000 planned for the southwest. However menangle was earmarked for development some years ago but this was put on hold due to the coal resources underneath it and the developers moved to the north and northwest of camden instead-oran park, gregory hills etc.
    [vvv] with a good tail wind and a trusty 5-iron i would be pretty fair chance to hit a golf ball from one or more those areas onto the roof at menangle.
    how close to you want the people to be dot? Close enough to walk across the road? A short drive?

    it will be quite sometime before there is further development in menangle if at all.
    [vvv] it might be worth taking a wander through planned local council/s and state land release/infrastructure developments. Like a number of other areas surrounding sydney it is squarely in the cross hairs.

    if sydneys second airport goes to wilton (i doubt very very much it will go to badgeries creek) then all the southwest development will need to be rethought.
    [vvv] pipe dream. That's the sussex st. Feed the chickens routine, something that anthony albanese has been banging on about in order to appease the batik sarong wearers & weavers of dilly bags from their own body hair contingent that infest his federal electorate...one which it just so happens is squarely under the current airport's most used flight paths.
    if i had a dollar for every time an encumbent labor minister with nothing much else to talk about defaulted to that by dragging it out of the cupboard, dusting it off and giving it another whirl...i'd be living in monaco next door to mick doohan.

    given that menangle park is adjacent the river and flood affected i'd have doubts about its future worth for development.
    [vvv] when i was a kid the first floor of david jones in parramatta used to get flooded, in fact in a big downpour most of parramatta used to go under. Same for windsor. The jolly frog inn used to go under to the floor of the 2nd storey. That hasn't happened for many years either because the work has been done to stop it from happening. 40-50 years down the track when needs must, i.e. When the need for development walks up & knocks on the door and the $ is right...it's time for some flood abatement works here fellas.

    heres an excercise for you vvv try taking public transport from your place to menangle and back and see how you go? Would you let your kids do it?
    [vvv] that old chestnut. By way of a critique of the place, the public transport angle for menangle is an absolute furphy dot. I live in an area very well served and soon to be even better served (new rail line) and i guarentee you the vast majority of people around here still drive their own cars to wherever they want to go. Public transport or the lackthereof is not and never has been a make or break as far as any racetrack is concerned.
    take rosehill for example. It is centrally located & well served by both train and bus and still the car park and surrounding streets are full to overflowing on race day. The vast majority of sydneysiders have become so used to public transport being so crap fo some many years that they don't even factor it in when thinking about going somewhere. Sydneysiders drive their cars, rightly or wrongly, that is what they do. I haven't been on a bus or a train in 20 years or more.
    that reminds me, i must now go off and flaggelate with a birch-broom for not attempting to reduce my carbon footprint.
    vvv

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    Mitch, I have always believed that if you are not constantly challenging the way things are...and in doing so either re-affirming that you're on the right track or otherwise giving yourself an opportunity take a different better approach/direction, then you are marking time and effectively marking time is, to me, going backwards. I'd really like to see someone pick up the 'walking bus' race day stables tour idea for the youngsters especially and also for adults who might like to take a shot at it. Maybe it's a half arsed idea, maybe it's not...but unless we try stuff like this, we'll never know. Tangles idea of Drivers visiting Schools is an excellent one and so simple too.
    Further to that, if there was some way we could give people a shot at driving one around the track between races or whatever that would make a lasting impression I've no doubt. There's nothing that compares to the feeling you get from letting one slip along for a piece.
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    Dan,

    Agree that we need to listen to all angles. My compliment to Jaimie was more recognizing the fact he thinks outside the square and doesn't accept the status quo, there are a lot of other contriibutors on this site who provide quality input & suggestions as well... Yourself included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason View Post
    Not real sure I want to be on the Train platform at Bankstown after the last at a night meeting either DOT.... me or my kids
    Bill you have vastly dissappointed me here as I have considered all your posts in the past to be exactly as your user name indicates "the voice of reason" but what your angling at here is way of the mark if you are inferring I am in support of Bankstowns FES policy. Yes I do live, work and train in Bankstown. No I would not like to catch a train at Bankstown after dark and I don't.

    As for the future of Bankstown I don't see that there is one, something I made quite clear in person to Ms Lavender on Monday just gone, and that her partner Mr Ho's comments on harnesslink most certainly did not reflect my opinion (as one of the individuals Mr Ho claimed to represent of the matters discussed) and were inappropriate.

    Jamie I'm sure you would be very surprised if you actually knew what I would consider the appropriate path for harness racing in Sydney into the future, it doesn't include Bankstown. So you can desist with the bold type and insults in your reply to my posts, believe me I'm not easily intimidated, and you may also be surprised to know I do actually know a little bit about what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzy View Post
    Bill you have vastly dissappointed me here as I have considered all your posts in the past to be exactly as your user name indicates "the voice of reason" but what your angling at here is way of the mark if you are inferring I am in support of Bankstowns FES policy. Yes I do live, work and train in Bankstown. No I would not like to catch a train at Bankstown after dark and I don't.

    As for the future of Bankstown I don't see that there is one, something I made quite clear in person to Ms Lavender on Monday just gone, and that her partner Mr Ho's comments on harnesslink most certainly did not reflect my opinion (as one of the individuals Mr Ho claimed to represent of the matters discussed) and were inappropriate.

    Jamie I'm sure you would be very surprised if you actually knew what I would consider the appropriate path for harness racing in Sydney into the future, it doesn't include Bankstown. So you can desist with the bold type and insults in your reply to my posts, believe me I'm not easily intimidated, and you may also be surprised to know I do actually know a little bit about what I'm talking about.

    Dot

    My comment was simply stating it does not matter if it is Menangle, Penrith, Newcastle or Bankstown the thought of needing to use public transport to and from the venue can be tricky, ask the NRL they in the past have has similar issues.

    After all it was you that introduced public transport into the debate.

    I did however have a look at the time tables for trains to Menangle on a Saturday night, there are two direct from central that will get you there in time for the races one at 5.10 the other at 6.19 both direct and in around an hour.

    Getting home not quite as easy as you would need to change from a bus to a train perhaps at that time of night not a bad thing.

    Unlike Jamie I have actually used public transport many many times in the past few years in Sydney for many purposes, meetings in the city, trips to the airport and major sporting events being the prime targets. I have to be honest however I have never used it to attend the trots. One thing I am sure of is however is I will not need my passport to get to Menangle weather it be by Train, Omnibus or Automobile.

    Not even sure I have a current one
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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzy View Post
    Bill you have vastly dissappointed me here as I have considered all your posts in the past to be exactly as your user name indicates "the voice of reason" but what your angling at here is way of the mark if you are inferring I am in support of Bankstowns FES policy. Yes I do live, work and train in Bankstown. No I would not like to catch a train at Bankstown after dark and I don't.

    As for the future of Bankstown I don't see that there is one, something I made quite clear in person to Ms Lavender on Monday just gone, and that her partner Mr Ho's comments on harnesslink most certainly did not reflect my opinion (as one of the individuals Mr Ho claimed to represent of the matters discussed) and were inappropriate.

    Jamie I'm sure you would be very surprised if you actually knew what I would consider the appropriate path for harness racing in Sydney into the future, it doesn't include Bankstown. So you can desist with the bold type and insults in your reply to my posts, believe me I'm not easily intimidated, and you may also be surprised to know I do actually know a little bit about what I'm talking about.
    [VVV] Bold type was used simply to deliniate my replies to your comments Dot and it is a very a common thing to do. Numerous replies by numerous people to threads on all sorts of subjects to the very same effect can be found on this forum. As for any of that being insulting, that's ridiculous.

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    Now I have a little more time Jamie I'll answer your post in more detail.

    Yes Jamie I do want people to be able to walk across the road but a short drive would be perfectly acceptable. Be nice if they had the option of a train or a bus too.

    Around 2005 Menangle Park was planned to be opened up for development but this was deferred because of the coal resource issue and still is deferred. Campbelltown Council's plan for the area east of the train lines is for it to become a CBD type area with high density housing at some point in the future. This would be good for the racecourse but isn't going to happen anytime soon. How do I know, I looked at buying property in Menangle and had a long talk with a Campbelltown council town planner.

    I've no doubt Jamie that I have forgotten more about Sydney flight paths then you will ever know. Sydney's second airport is a political smoking gun but never the less it is needed, unless the government is going to remove the curfew and increase the cap from 80 movements an hour at KSA. Can't see that happening so a second airport it will be and Wilton is the most likely site. It is expected to take 17 years to become operational once the decision is made.

    Flood abatement may be a solution into the futue but then again so would zoning for environmental or open space guess we'll have to wait and see on that though I suspect I won't be around anywhere near that long.

    I too don't utilise public transport very often and prefer to drive but never the less easy access for people remains a consideration in all venue and event planning, or it least it does outside of harness racing. In your other posts you talked about showing the kids around, perhaps you'd better be prepared to show Mum and Dad around too.
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    I went along to the HRNSW forum at Wagga last night, Sam presentation and answers to questions on the night was most impressive. He outlined how much income was expected to be received and where they intended to spend that money for the betterment of the industry. Sam's plan for the future wil ensure that the industry will survive and get stronger over time, it will not happen tomorrow. We all need to have a positive attitude towards the industry as a whole and not bring it down by being negative, their is only so much money to go around and it has to help all those that participate eg.punters, spectators, breeders ,owners or trainers.

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    G'day Dot,
    Ahuh. That's exactly why Anthony Albanese is currently crapping on about a 2nd Airport. He knows serious consideration is being given to changing the curfew. No way known that the existing airport is running at anywhere near its true capacity, rather its capacity is being artificially restricted by the curfew. Have a chat to Max 'The Axe' Moore Wilton, head honcho at SACL. They could wind it up double time plus out there, no problem, but old mate Alba knows he will pay the ultimate price at the Ballot Box. Imagine, Politicians polarising around self interest? Never. Perish the thought. A 2nd airport isn't needed. It's just another Alba furphy.
    As for public transport to race tracks...as I said, take a look at Rose Hill. The vast majority drive there. Similarly, the Football Stadium/Showgrounds at Homebush are well and truly catered for Public Transport wise, as is Randwick racecourse for that matter...and guess what? Most people still drive. It is an inescapable fact of life here in Sydney.

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    Jamie it's far more then just Albanese seat at stake with Sydney Airport. A change to the curfew would cause way more political heads to roll then just Albanese. Yes your buddy Max wants more traffic, and larger acft as they pay a greater landing fee and discharge more passengers into the terminal shopping areas and horrendously expensive carparking. Capacity is not 160+ an hour though and he couldn't park it if it was. The federal labour party policy on the second airport is not to make any announcement at all.

    The critical point about the football stadium/showgrounds/ rose hill is actually that they are central venues which people do travel to one way or another to get there. No way are you going to see the crowds that you see at a central location at a venue on the outskirts of Sydney
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