Two Drives Poles Apart

[The Form Student]

Hey Brad, how come K Pizzuto wasn't given time like T Rue for running a fast lead time....at least T Rue only got beaten 13 metres not 182......the stewards decided to blame the horse, not K Pizzuto?

[broncobrad]

Hey Brad, how come K Pizzuto wasn't given time like T Rue for running a fast lead time....at least T Rue only got beaten 13 metres not 182......the stewards decided to blame the horse, not K Pizzuto?

As far as I know, the full report is still to be posted, but don't expect any suprises. Without getting out my ruler out to measure the distance the two horses contested the lead for, I don't think it looked anywhere near as bad or lasted as long as Bathurst, but I don't think Trent did too much wrong that night either. Benefit of the doubt decision here. I'm never gonna hang someone for initiative as long as the right questions are asked and the right answers are given after the race.

[Triple V]

Yep, one of those drives where he has taken every advantage of an ordinary situation and turned it into his own positives.

No thoughts on the drive by Caffyn? I don't think he is going to feature much in the stewards full report when it becomes available. His drive for mine was positively NEGATIVE.

[VVV] Didn't see the race in question mate, just commenting on G Mac's drives in general.

[2minuteman]

The lead time was a zipping 37.7 The qtrs were 30.9 30.4 30.2 and a final qtr of 32.2 Hows that last qtr? MR 2.01.4

Wont see another one like that for a while. Without crossing threads, Tessace might go alright in that 1,000m bizzo in July on that run.

Thanks for that,those times will make it hard to make a case for anything that finished behind to beat the winner in future.1000 at Menangle looks a soda.

[Danno]

Brad, Steve,
I think if David Caffyn shows his horse daylight any sooner.... the horse doesn't get to the line, they are not machines gents, they have a heart and a mind and they will remind you of they every now and then! A nice horse like Rockson, being still a little bit off his best would have easily been busted in a race run like that... a dumb driver would have looked to win the race and run out of "bottom" with a horse not quite race tough, A smart driver looks for the easier option for the horse and doesn't bust the horse's preparation for an unlikey, short term win.

I know you will not agree, but in my opinion, David Caffyn got the absolute best result he could have in that particular race,AND did not knock the horse around.

as usual, speaking from a perspective not necessarily aligned with you bloody punters.

Cheers,
Dan

[2minuteman]

Brad, Steve,
as usual, speaking from a perspective not necessarily aligned with you bloody punters.
Cheers,
Dan

And there lies the problem.My $$$$$ help keep the sport alive but I am just "a bloody punter" Jesus wept.

[broncobrad]

Hey Danno...You know I can't agree with you, only because your opinion on the possible outcome is the same as mine. It is a moot point because we will never know either way what the likely outcome would have been if he had gone early. Dan, I always value your opinion, like VVV I have learnt an awful lot in a pretty short time.
IMO it was an opportunity gone begging. Your opinion is he has done everything he possibly could to achieve the best possible position for a horse (possibly) short of a run. Am happy to leave it at that.

However, what I am absolutely delighted about is the stewards ACTUALLY ASKED THE SAME QUESTION as I did. Now that does give me confidence that The Blind Men From Alabama saw enough in the drive to pose the question. The explanation given by Caffyn was plausible, believable and the circumstantial evidence backs his case. So once again I am satisfied that the stipes have done their job to Nthhh degree and I can live with the fact that no further correspondence needs to be entered into on this drive.

Tell you what tho' Dan, we bloody punters are just as integral a part in the sport as the rest of the owners, trainers, drivers, breeders, administration and the bloke on the gate. We also just want a fair go.


The stewards report is a good read for a change http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-r...fm?mc=BK070512

[Danno]

And there lies the problem.My $$$$$ help keep the sport alive but I am just "a bloody punter" Jesus wept.

Steady on there Ron, theres bloody punters, bloody drivers, bloody trainers and bloody owners as well don't go thinking your getting special treatment mate and most of all don't forget you may have a few dollars on the ponies and that greatly assists with prizemoney! While you patting yourself on the back spare a thought for the bloody owners who are paying to keep the horse in work, transport it to the races, run nowhere 60% of the time and get no prizemoney to back up and put the show on next week for the poor bloody punters who overrate their importance to the game because dumb administrators have been pandering to them for too bloody long.
I hope Jesus weeps for you mate, cos I'm not, every cog in the wheel is needed and none are more critical than the others.

[Danno]

Hey Danno...You know I can't agree with you, only because your opinion on the possible outcome is the same as mine. It is a moot point because we will never know either way what the likely outcome would have been if he had gone early. Dan, I always value your opinion, like VVV I have learnt an awful lot in a pretty short time.
IMO it was an opportunity gone begging. Your opinion is he has done everything he possibly could to achieve the best possible position for a horse (possibly) short of a run. Am happy to leave it at that.

However, what I am absolutely delighted about is the stewards ACTUALLY ASKED THE SAME QUESTION as I did. Now that does give me confidence that The Blind Men From Alabama saw enough in the drive to pose the question. The explanation given by Caffyn was plausible, believable and the circumstantial evidence backs his case. So once again I am satisfied that the stipes have done their job to Nthhh degree and I can live with the fact that no further correspondence needs to be entered into on this drive.

Tell you what tho' Dan, we bloody punters are just as integral a part in the sport as the rest of the owners, trainers, drivers, breeders, administration and the bloke on the gate. We also just want a fair go.


The stewards report is a good read for a change http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-r...fm?mc=BK070512

I'll have a read in a minute Brad,thanks for the tip, as i've responded to Ron in a similar vein...everyone and everything is needed to foster and nurture the game... none should feel they are more required than others, if you read all of my posts from last night the word bloody got a fair old run, not at anyone in particular, more a vent from a long and difficult few days at "the office"

[2minuteman]

Steady on there Ron, theres bloody punters, bloody drivers, bloody trainers and bloody owners as well don't go thinking your getting special treatment mate and most of all don't forget you may have a few dollars on the ponies and that greatly assists with prizemoney! While you patting yourself on the back spare a thought for the bloody owners who are paying to keep the horse in work, transport it to the races, run nowhere 60% of the time and get no prizemoney to back up and put the show on next week for the poor bloody punters who overrate their importance to the game because dumb administrators have been pandering to them for too bloody long.
I hope Jesus weeps for you mate, cos I'm not, every cog in the wheel is needed and none are more critical than the others.

I never said anything about special treatment.I was not looking for a pat on the back.I was simply pointing out that attitudes that denigrate one section of the industry in front of another do nothing to engender a civil conversation.Your comment "...the poor bloody punters who overate their importance...." has lord of the manor connotations that do nothing to have your opinions taken with the good grace I am sure that you wish them to be taken.
I hesitate to ask,but just exactly where do you see a part that the "poor bloody punter" could play that would satisfy you?