Can Drug Testing alone catch or stop DRUG cheats? - Richard Freedman on TripleM Radio

[Triple V]

Dot, It has now got to the stage where the those with the loudest voice (posts) are now deleting anything that They find is not in sync. with their point of view. How sad

[VVV] It has gotten to the stage where you and Dot are potentially slandering people Lee.
Despite your feeble attempts to paint it otherwise you'll note I've not deleted a single post where either yourself or Dot are taking shots at myself, because to be upfront...I actually enjoy the banter. Insofar as you guys lining up on Emilio etc. and for that matter upon anyone else who is not on here to defend themselves, so Trooper, no can do. You can like that or lump it.

[Lethal]

Dot, this point might not register with some, BUT in the US the Tea Party got their first nomination for the Senate. How? Banging away for what they believed in.(Against other points of view ) Apologists for drug cheats will not win if the 'little people' in any sporting activity can have faith in the administrators standing up for 'a level Playing Field' the sporting body's, like Cycling have to show leadership.

[Lethal]

VVV
You deleted the posts that were nothing more than links from Harness Link and mainstream media, so it could only be because they don't adhere to your point of view, however they are already out there for all to see (we don't live in North Korea). Seeing how you mentioned one persons' name (which wasn't in the post) what's your connection?

[dizzy]

VVV you want the list why don't you write it, I can recommend a number of books from Professor Tobin and others iif you like. How about managing your horse so that it doesn't become dehydrated in the first place VVV, you know proactive not reactive.

Since when has calling a vet to a sick foal become an absurd arguement? I regularly travel from Bankstown to the clinic at Agnes Banks in 55 minutes, I'm sure from both Agnes Banks and Clarendon to where you keep your mares could be accomplished in significantly less. Calling a vet would give a sickly foal the best opportunity to live would it not VVV?

I don't foal down any mares myself VVV at Bankstown or elsewhere, mine are supervised by someone else who I'm sure wouldn't hesitate to call a vet if the foal showed any signs of needing one.

[dizzy]

VVV how is it slander that I remember an article that was published in mainstream media and as Lee has shown can easily be retrieved from the net and a photograph that was published with it of the horse Excell Stride and Greg Bennet? That simply is published history not slander

[Lethal]

Dot,
This was deleted as well
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So,we can deduce from this that the average 'joe blow' is not interested in ''drugs in sport' but more occupied about team driving.
When I stop laughing I might read the next post.

[Triple V]

That's the decision Troops. If Jules & Co. don't agree then they can re-instate those posts. It's up to them. Until then however, as I said, like it or lump it. Please feel free to bag me all you like however, I have something that those about whom you are clearly inferring things currently do not have here on this Forum, the right of and ability to reply.

[Lethal]

VVV
No one is inferring anything, it is out there in the public domain, please share with us all what you know that we don't.

[Lethal]

Jamie,
It's not you personally that the collective 'we' object to , rather than opinions that vary so far from modern thinking about, not just drug use,but about
the whole animal treatment regime. The animal liberationists have started to get their way way with jumping races. They won't stop, next racing in general and then Eventing/Showjumping/ Pony club/ Dressage and they will go on untill they win. We have to be proactive not reactive or else we will lose ALL horse sports.

[Triple V]

Jamie,
It's not you personally that the collective 'we' object to , rather than opinions that vary so far from modern thinking about, not just drug use,but about
the whole animal treatment regime. The animal liberationists have started to get their way way with jumping races. They won't stop, next racing in general and then Eventing/Showjumping/ Pony club/ Dressage and they will go on untill they win. We have to be proactive not reactive or else we will lose ALL horse sports.

[VVV] I do realise that Lee. The day that those 'modern thinkers' bring enough political pressure to bear to stop Vets & Trainers administering accepted, registered equine therapeutic substances however will be the day that I stand in the middle of Pitt St . Mall at lunchtime, drop my pants and sing 'Hey Big Spender' by Shirley Bassey.
Personally, I think Jumps races are an absolute disgrace so I happen to agree with them there. Further, if I had my way I would ban the use of whips altogether. I know that is not a particularly popular stance and that it has virtually zero chance of ever getting the upper hand. My view is that once again, just like TCO2's, whip use is a largely Punter driven vehicle...the old "I want to see that the Driver/Hoop is getting everything out of the horse" routine and be damned the fact that a beat down with a whip is in fact almost never going to be the best way to gain the best effort of a horse. As well all know, some will go the other way and they'll lay down under the stick but try to explain that to some dumb SOB in a TAB who wouldn't know which end of a horse eats and which end craps. The PUNT rules the roost once again.