Quote Originally Posted by Thevoiceofreason View Post
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I am not sure what planet you are on because you continue to spout rubbish and present it as fact.

Neither I or VVV have ever condoned the use of drugs of any kind on race day your post continue to present a case that we have and I for one am bloody sick of the inference.

I have and never will consider lasix as an acceptable race day drug for many reason so stop bringing the current policy change in the USA up as supporting your view it simply does not.

The short answer of what is actually happening in the USA if you really want to know is they are moving towards aligning themselves with the testing procedures for therapeutic drugs currently in use in most racing jurisdictions in the world. The reality of this fact is that it actually supports the argument put forward by VVV and myself that the correct use of therapeutic drugs is doing little harm to the industry.

As I have said before in relation to the use of therapeutic drugs in Australian Racing the rules between the gallops and the harness are now all but harmonised due in part to the work of HRNSW to get ulcer treatments and regu mate permitted in harness years after it was permitted in the gallops.

If your view that therapuitic drugs are damaging the sport was correct the gallops would have ground to a halt years ago.

All I and VVV have ever said and I think will continue to say, is that minute traces of genuine therapeutic drugs found in urine swabs as metabolites in many cases currently represent the fast majority of positive swabs in Australia in both codes. There is in many cases a strong argument to say the parent drug is no longer having any effect on the horse.

Your half smart comment about EPO being a therapeutic treatment toward the end of you last sermon is so stupid that it beggers belief, anyone with an IQ of 1 would know that throughout this and other threads both VVV and I have been referring to accepted genuine equine therapeutic substances you know it and so does everybody else who has read the posts, so stop your grandstanding.

If you want to debate with me feel free but at least debate on what I have said or put forward rather than your interpretation of what I have said.
Bill you seem to be exhibiting some paranoia here.

I am on earth, is there another planet with the internet? My very first line in this tread said very clearly that I was posting with regard to yours and VVV opinions about the publics opinion on the use of the use of therapeutic drugs in racing. Where did I say you endorsed the use of raceday lasix? I very clearly wrote that I knew you had replied on one occasion to VVV "not lasix too complicated".

And why Bill do you think the changes in the US are occuring? It wouldn't be because of it's own publics opinion would it? Most of the US doesn't know the rest of the world exists, those in the US that do fully expect the rest of the world to march to the beat of the US's drum.

I know harness racing was well behind the gallops and the FEI in regard to ulcer meds Bill, I clearly remember sending a submission to HRA on the subject.

Gallops have clearly not ground to a halt years ago because of my view but do you not think that one day in the future they just might because of the views of the public? Put simply without the continued support of the public then one day there will be no more racing.

Bill I am the one with the licence remember, of course the ability of laboratories to test to the picogram is of concern. When VVV first proposed his list here that I knew of I didn't dismiss it, but it is nowhere as simple a proposition as he believes. Go to Thomas Tobins web site and you will read what is involved. Bute may have only swabbed for three days in the seventies and everyone may have had their horses on anabolic steroids but what made those parameters right? Clearly we changed as far as anabolic steroids went, and yes bute tests for much longer now, well beyond its therapeutic effect.

But Bill who was it who said the rules is the rules is the rules and right now we are drug free racing. If you don't think the publics opinion of drugs and confidence in racing will come into any deliberation process in the future that may look at changing that then I think you are kidding yourself.

As for my comment on EPO previously yes absolutely it was grandstanding no doubt about it. I thought if I wrote in the same style as VVV then perhaps he might just be able to understand it, call me an optimist but I know I was probably just kidding myself.