they must be joking right?

[triplev123]

The term Sire's Pedigree belongs alongside other classic Oxymorons such as...open secret, larger half, act naturally, Labor Principles, Greens Policy & so on.

[buster]

so rock n roll hanover doesnt have a sires pedigree?

[mango]

Hi Buster
Rocknroll Hanover is by a great sire and is out of the greatest broodmare ever and is now proving his worth at stud, so i would say that is a sire's pedigree and i can't wait for him to come out at the end of the year.

[buster]

spot on mango

another interesting article by barsby on the chariots of fire, http://harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=15427
he can have qld to win the chariots and ill have NZ (devil dodger, smiling shard, courage to rule, sir lincoln, franco jamar, franco emirate, russley rascal, choice achiever)

[mango]

Hi Buster
They talk about the chariots and For A Reason from QLD have they forgot about Darrell Graham's horse Lanercost i think he is up there with For A Reason.

[aussiebreno]

Taylor Mile is on day before Chariots and the Messenger the following week. May not have a Kiwi in the field this year Buster

[buster]

i didnt think of that aussieb, that is just disgraceful programming, fancy promoting it as the top 4yr feature and then making it so the kiwis wont be here - but hey thats harness racing administration for you

[aussiebreno]

i didnt think of that aussieb, that is just disgraceful programming, fancy promoting it as the top 4yr feature and then making it so the kiwis wont be here - but hey thats harness racing administration for you

True. And I daresay Cuttheattitude and maybe others (cant think of any atm) will have to choose between Chariots and Vicbred as well.
EDIT: For 2 and 3yos a clash or two is ok; I mean with so many races for them its bound to happen. But for the 4yos its pathetic. NZ has their 3 main races (Taylor, Messenger, Jewels) and we have our main three (McInenerny Classic (?) and Gold Nugget and Chariots). The WA races are early and away from all others, NZ has Jewels toward the back end just before Breeders Crown.
So for the other 6 months of year spare it really shouldnt be that hard for the Chariots to be away from the Taylor/Messenger and then for the sires races to be away from them.

[triplev123]

so rock n roll hanover doesnt have a sires pedigree?

Buster, Mango, think about it for a moment.
If he does...then you'd have to accept that Red River, Rustler, Righteous (all by Western Hanover) and Richess Hanover (by Cam's Card Shark) are of the very same ilk, which quite clearly they are not.
Their dam, Rich N Elegant, is quite possibly THE greatest broodmare of the modern era, if not of all time. She is a daughter of the much maligned fillies sire Direct Scooter and as a racehorse she posted a slate of 36 5-7-2 & $96,244 and her FINAL career start was in a 15k Claimer. I mention this only because it serves to underline once more that they can and do come from anywhere and also to highlight the fact that you're awarding Rocknroll Hanover a 'sire's pedigree'...after the fact.
If there is such a thing as a sire's pedigree then why did Chill Factor (full brother to Artsplace) fall flat? Why did Good Humour Man (full brother to Most Happy Fella) do the same? They had the same pedigrees.
From another angle, where were the clear indicators of a sire's pedigree in the immediate removes of Big Towner? Of Abercrombie? Of Albatross? and so on.

[mango]

Hi Triplev123
Fair call, what i should of said is he has a strong pedigree. Now that you have mentioned Chill Factor and Good Humour Man has there ever been full brothers that have done a great job at stud.