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    Super Moderator Stallion Messenger will become famous soon enough Messenger's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viv Strangman View Post
    Really Kev ,if you are going to comment on Nz families, you need to talk to someone who has some knowledge because you really are wide of the mark here.
    I have been in the game a long time and have access to every book/reference book you could name but I still wouldn't feel qualified to speak on Australian maternal families with any degree of confidence. All the books/internet give you is an overview of families ,not an insight.
    Experience gives you that
    At the same time I have read so many comments on Nz families that are wide of the mark from the other side of the Tasman i have to wonder why you bother.
    The maternal family in question here is known to Kiwis as Tot Huon (116B)
    It has been the premium dual gaited family on this side of the Tasman.
    A lot of our best horses come from from dual gaited families (Christian Cullen, Elsu) and for a family that you claim has few stars I would love to know how you would rate the following horses
    Paula--- Paul Gentry---Game Paul---Paula Scott---Hurricane Paul---Paul Command and Paul's Byrd to name just a few for a start.
    The last thing that ever concerns me when assessing an individual is what foal number they are.
    You get hung up on foal number and you will miss some lovely individuals.
    Kate Perry is just the last in a long line of ignoring what her siblings have done and running like her breeding suggests she should.
    The fifth foal from her dam when purchased and nothing had raced but a quality individual in the flesh that impressed Cran Dalgety enough to buy her.
    As for American Ideal, he has done a lovely job on this side of the Tasman which is reflected in the huge books he has served here in the last four years.
    If you want to be taken seriously when talking about New Zealand, then you need to get out of your reference books and talk to some people on the ground.
    Here's a wee quiz for you.
    What is the best bred mare in the up coming sale.
    Not the best producer, just the best bred mare in the sale.
    I am genuinely interested in your opinion so I would appreciate a reply.
    'Really' Viv
    I bowed to your experience but fear you are venturing into a bit of 'chest puffing'
    I never claimed to speak with a lot of confidence - read the finish of my post.
    I don't know whether I want to be taken too seriously
    I do however enjoy chatting on a forum with like minded people - if you see it as a place for chest puffing have yourself a good time
    As far as answers go - I was waiting for the answer to how many of my 5 comments you disagree with but now I am not really interested
    I will never argue about the wisdom of the man on the ground but with all those books you have got I hope you read them too as some of the men on the ground could write too
    And here is a 'wee' thought for you - let's not kid ourselves that results, averages etc etc are all rubbish. Just because some people distort them does not mean they are not relevant
    An old favourite book of mine (superseeded by ClassicFamilies nowadays) was Ian Daff's Black Book
    He allocated Tot Huon number 145 as he did not see it as quite a leading family and I reckon that is still the case, only IMO of course.
    Last edited by Messenger; 08-26-2014 at 02:47 AM.
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