Victorian Country Cups circuit 2016

[Messenger]

Sure it is in their interests to team drive for Stewart because they were all driving Stewart horses and may have all been following Stewart instructions
What you are suggesting - that they have to think of their future with Aiken is far more sinister

Forgetting this race, just any Gp race - I am against any stable having half the field because it gives them the means to control the race

[aussiebreno]

Sure it is in their interests to team drive for Stewart because they were all driving Stewart horses and may have all been following Stewart instructions
What you are suggesting - that they have to think of their future with Aiken is far more sinister

Forgetting this race, just any Gp race - I am against any stable having half the field because it gives them the means to control the race

Team driving is not allowed. Are you suggesting they cheated?

I am not suggesting anything sinister. I didn't say they have to help Hector/Aiken out just that they shouldn't do anything illegally eg team drive to get Aiken beat.

[Messenger]

You are in a wacky mood Brenno
Nobody ever cheats in harness
I think the trainer is totally entitled to tell all her drivers to press forward with the odds on fav the only horse on the second line
What I dont like is the fact that the trainer had 4 drivers to give this message to

[aussiebreno]

You are in a wacky mood Brenno
Nobody ever cheats in harness
I think the trainer is totally entitled to tell all her drivers to press forward with the odds on fav the only horse on the second line
What I dont like is the fact that the trainer had 4 drivers to give this message to

What would the instructions have been if all four were individually trained? All were driven reasonably. Race wouldn't have been different.
So has it gone from Stewarts made it a farcically run race to now just a trainer shouldn't be allowed to have multiple horses in a race?

[Messenger]

What would the instructions have been if all four were individually trained? All were driven reasonably. Race wouldn't have been different.
So has it gone from Stewarts made it a farcically run race to now just a trainer shouldn't be allowed to have multiple horses in a race?

My first post Breno

"A top first up effort by Restrepo but that farcical cup was why we do not want one trainer with half the field"

I dont think it has gone anywhere but to Boredomville

[aussiebreno]

Wacky mood, boredom... Oh we going off topic now? Must be because multiple times I have asked you how the horses would have been driven differently if they were trained by different trainers yet received donuts. If they were driven the same way no matter who trained them then bit hard to pin the race tempo on the fact they were all trained by the same trainer. So how should they have been driven????

[Messenger]

I think I have been consistent in maintaining that it was a farcically run race and that I think one trainer having the 4 runners up front contributed to it.
BUT maybe I should be blaming Josh more for not seeing that with 4 from the one stable in front of him - he could not afford to let them dictate
I think that Lang or Alford would have seen it that way if they were driving Hector but I got the feeling that Josh was put off from making the move
BUT maybe I should be accepting that the Yarra Valley Cup meant pretty much nothing to a few of them because of what they have coming up

I am not the form analyst that you are - I am just trying to keep this board ticking over and my opinion of the 'no moves' YV cup is only that - my opinion
Don't get aggressive Breno or I wont love you anymore - this board is not an aggressive place anymore or haven't you noticed that

I will have a stab at how things could have been different to make you happy.
Often cups see a bit of a death rotation going on early. It didn't happen - maybe this was because Guaranteed was in the death but some would argue that with Gavin driving him, it would NOT have been "I am keeping it no matter what" so the tough horse problem may have been cancelled out by the gentle driver argument
I think it is possible if someone else was the trainer (and driver) of Guaranteed he may have worked the Leader a bit more early on. I don't think under the present training arrangements that he was ever going to work his heavily backed stablemate who was resuming.
If someone else was the trainer of Yankee, they may even have left the 1x1 when they were going that slow - in anticipation that Hector is going to come because he is not going to let them get away with this. I dont think that with his team-mates in better spots Yankee was ever likely to do this as 'the team' were already beautifully positioned (and it would have turned out to be a wrong assumption )

These are all big hypotheticals but one thing I do know from being a serious cyclist and runner in my day that although collusion is not allowed that does not mean you cannot feel satisfied with how the team is positioned and just go with the flow

[aussiebreno]

I think I have been consistent in maintaining that it was a farcically run race and that I think one trainer having the 4 runners up front contributed to it.
BUT maybe I should be blaming Josh more for not seeing that with 4 from the one stable in front of him - he could not afford to let them dictate
I think that Lang or Alford would have seen it that way if they were driving Hector but I got the feeling that Josh was put off from making the move
BUT maybe I should be accepting that the Yarra Valley Cup meant pretty much nothing to a few of them because of what they have coming up

I am not the form analyst that you are - I am just trying to keep this board ticking over and my opinion of the 'no moves' YV cup is only that - my opinion
Don't get aggressive Breno or I wont love you anymore - this board is not an aggressive place anymore or haven't you noticed that

I will have a stab at how things could have been different to make you happy.
Often cups see a bit of a death rotation going on early. It didn't happen - maybe this was because Guaranteed was in the death but some would argue that with Gavin driving him, it would NOT have been "I am keeping it no matter what" so the tough horse problem may have been cancelled out by the gentle driver argument
I think it is possible if someone else was the trainer (and driver) of Guaranteed he may have worked the Leader a bit more early on. I don't think under the present training arrangements that he was ever going to work his heavily backed stablemate who was resuming.
If someone else was the trainer of Yankee, they may even have left the 1x1 when they were going that slow - in anticipation that Hector is going to come because he is not going to let them get away with this. I dont think that with his team-mates in better spots Yankee was ever likely to do this as 'the team' were already beautifully positioned (and it would have turned out to be a wrong assumption )

These are all big hypotheticals but one thing I do know from being a serious cyclist and runner in my day that although collusion is not allowed that does not mean you cannot feel satisfied with how the team is positioned and just go with the flow

That bolded bit makes for beautiful reading because it adds to the topic and backs up your opinion.

[Messenger]

Thanks Breno
but I was way out of line about collusion and cycling - cycling is all about collusion

Overall I just think I was disappointed with the Cup but probably shouldn't have been as they did come home in 53.9

[Messenger]

Weekend visitors may be a problem but I will be trying to get to the St Arnaud Cup on Sunday as they only race twice a year
I always thought their track was much smaller than Stawell's but it is only about 6m diff 810 - 804.65 (150m is a very short straight however)

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