Breeders getting rich?????Originally Posted by smithy
I really dont understand how it is remotely possible to come up with that conclusion. This is not the gallops!
The whole idea behind the NBCS is that OWNERS of fillies and mares, decide to breed from their mare and race the progeny. This has noting to do with sales. As has been mentioned numerous times before, this is about getting the 93% hobby breeders to continue to breed
They obviously are continuing to breed if they make up 93% of them. 93% would be a huge number of foals per year. The problem isn't a small 600 imports a year, so why tax imports?
You can't just come up with a poor idea and use it; just because the other ideas are poorer.
but my idea is about doing exactly the same thing but the cost is on everyone and the benefit is for everyone - your solution is the majority of costs on one individual sector and the benefits to another individual sector
as part of that survey did you ask why fillies weren't bred or raced? and was being not good enough an option for either? and how many people answered this way
aussiebreno - great post, exactly right
back to school boys
6000 foals becomes 5000 becomes 4000. the percentage then will be irrelevant. We simply wont have enough foals and prizemoney will be greatly reduced, but that doesnt affect you breno, as you dont own a single horse!!
Mighymo you continue to ignore, less horses means less to beat home and more chance of winning = people want to get horses as they have more chance of winning. So breeding will increase.
Mighymo; if there were no horses and no races I wouldn't get to watch the sport I love and have posted on about 20times in the last 24 hours. But yeah it won't affect me.
And maybe that 6000>5000>4000 becomes smaller because the demand isn't there. If the demand isn't there it doesn't matter what initiatives you have. To increase demand breed better. But you want to make this about breeding to race so that point is a bit negligent so admit the breeding industry is over populated at 6000 and needs to drop to 4000 to meet proper demand levels.
you are very wrong. For most owners, its not about winning. Its about the excitement of racing a horse and the possibility of winning. No one buys horses thinking they are going to make money...
Wow. Some real sunday spice. I agree totally with Mightymo on this one and it is a pretty important point to note. HOWEVER, owners aren't going to piss money away for the sake of it. The desire to minimise losses will always be forefront in owners decision making.
Thats why an import fee will act as a barrier to entry, for it will immediately decrease the ability to minimise losses.
The more likely an owner is to minimise losses, the more likely they are to re-invest. If you love the sport like many do, then for a couple of grand people might be willing to cop it as the cost of their entertainment.
This is why this ridiculous impost is bad for the sport. It erodes the above.
Also - what is the crux of the NBCS:
It will benefit the WHOLE industry.
Therefore the WHOLE INUDSTRY NEEDS TO PAY. Very simple. Not a minority group whom do more for racing than has been alluded to on here (and in some sense, trivialised by the panels report).
agree 100% - owners, breeders, stallion owners all need to contribute
Aussiebreno / Smithy - do you agree with the credit scheme and if so, do you think that it is right and fair for the whole industry to pay (where costs are diluted and pretty insignificant)?
the credit scheme imo is a good initiative and is on the right path. perhaps there could be issues down the track where it can be exploited by stallion owners and the prices of the stallions may go up disproportionately with the market. while i dont agree with the entire report i can see they do probably want to put the the import duties up not only to fund the scheme but to support Australian made. the 5k a horse wont make any difference to the top end of the market but it will to the bottom - mid end and many less horses will be imported and therefore they wont have enough to fund the scheme and additional funding will have to come from elsewhere.
Perhaps they should look at a scheme where you can apply credits to buy yearlings/weanlings at the sales or privately that way the whole breeding industry could benefit from the potential market inflation rather than just the stallion owners.
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