There are only a small amount of breeders that breed to sell. Most of the horses in the APG sale are not really for sale, their breeder just puts them in the sale so they are ellidgable for the series and the big money. If a buyer wants to pay big money for the horse then they might sell it.Don't blame the breeder for this, it's the way the APG sale works, blame them.
A large amount of good broodmares never raced or were not good enough to win a race.Many good race mares don't make good broodmares.Take a look at Sushi Sushi its dam was a good race horse but it took 7 very average foals and 4 missed ones to get the good one. Her owners deserve a medal.You can't get good horses without breeders willing to throw money away chasing a dream.Breeders need some help if you want the industry to thrive.
Don't die wondering !
Originally Posted by Love Of Courage
Fate's smile is a wonderful thing. Rosario, G. Seymour & the Crew weren't even going to breed that mare. My brother knows the story but as far as I can remember it in the telling it went something along the lines of the semen arriving from CC and one mare wasn't ready and the other was so they served her instead...or something like that...and The Archduchess was the result. Couldn't have happened to nicer fellas. She can really scoot.
Hey VVV !
I have spoken with G.Seymour and he seems like a very nice gentleman. I have seen the family many times at the races and they certainly do enjoy watching their horses race. They always bring along a large cheers squad when one of their horses is in a feature race. They have had some good horses like Armida, Il Tenore and the dam La Speranza.
I agree best of luck to them !
I follow these horses closely as I have mares from this same maternal family.
Last edited by Love Of Courage; 08-05-2011 at 12:54 PM.
Good fellas all, really good fellas. We met them for the first time in Melbourne a few years ago when we sold them a nice Bettor's Delight colt. He went on to win a Gold Crown Heat up at Bathurst at 2yrs but unfortunately he broke a bone in his knee & had to be put down after a few starts back at 3yrs.
In the interim Armida's had a colt & a filly by BD I believe.
It would appear that some people, especially The Big Mile, dont care about the industry. As long as he can buy going horses(but only NZ ones) then he is happy. He says breeders need owners. well, thats like the chicken and the egg. Owners need breeders too.
i dont know who you are The Big Mile, but its your sort of attitude that has forced the panel to make some of the recommendations that they have. For the sake of the industry, i really hope there are not too many people that share your views. Fortunately, im very confident that will be the case
I could not agree with you more Roosters, The Big Mile seems to have just as much dislike of the breeding panel participants as he does of their recommendations? Why is that so?
It's the recomendations that don't care about the industry.
717 imports, put a $5000 tax and it could go down to 500imports. 250x4500 + 250x1350 = 1462500 / 12000 mares serviced each year = $120 each on average. The above average ones would be getting bred to anyway. The below average ones will have even less than $120.
Cmon seriously is a <1% drop in costs really going to make a difference? It will make next to zero difference, it will pay the GST on a service to Pass The Mustard!!!!!!!! Yet the imports go down and race fields go down.
Your numbers seem laughable. Im very confident your numbers are wrong. I cant imagine the panel would go to that much trouble for such a tiny amount.Have you rung Andrew Kelly - that probably would answer the question
Roosters
Rest assured that breno's numbers are so far off the mark it is laughable.
If the broodmare credit scheme becomes reality and details are then revealed, i expect him to be the first to come on here and publicly apologise for getting it so wrong.
Then again, he is prone to getting things wrong(ala NSW fillies trifectaring the Aust Oaks) but still hasnt been man enough to come out and admit that he was wrong
im sure this will get a reponse...
Mightymo the numbers are from YOUR report and what YOU have said. Your report says 600 imports for 2.1 million. Someone lifted this to 717 imports for the year.
YOU said 6000 foals bred a year. My numbers are from YOU yourself. So you are only laughing at yourself.
Lets go over the 3 horses who trifected the Aust Oaks and what the info available was AT the time of our discussion..not months later.
Baby Bling: In her very next start after our discussion; where she was being judged on available form she started at 20/1 in a $30K race. People would have laughed if you said she is part of a great NSW crop. Jennas Highview. Beaten at Wagga in a 32 final quarter. That isn't the stuff of champions. Vertigal. Gets beaten by interstate rivals. A 'great' crop does not get beaten by interstate horses. So Jennas Highview and Vertigal still haven't showed they are part of a great crop of 3yo fillies. It is just your average plain jane crop. Nothing stands out from prior years. Which was the whole point of the discussion.
"Im sure this will get a response"...well yeah thats the point of a forum...
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