First the Stands, next the Mobiles! Bring it on fellas.

[Danno]

G'day Dan,

I think you're making the mistake of taking the old 'guns kill people' argument and applying the same line of thought to 2yo racing. Guns are a factor BUT they are neither complicit nor responsible. Same applies to 2yo racing. It doesn't cause horses to fall by the wayside. People do that. You're at once both blaming juvenile racing itself for any negative outcomes and giving absolution to the owners & trainers who've succumbed to the 'lure' (your word) of big early $. That my friend is every free born citizen's own decision to make. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Free will Brother, free will. We were all born with it. It is ours and ours alone to exercise.

Regards

Jaimie

Got no problems with people making their own bed Jamie, just people who try to win debates telling porkies, you are still claiming 2YO racing has nothing to do with the some young horses falling by the wayside?

you are either a lot dumber that I thought you were or you just refuse to acknowledge that your incorrect!

I did not and have not ever said 2YO racing is evil and is soley responsible for the ruination of babies, I have said it is a factor, along with excessive prizemoney and a host of other reasons.

They banned the gun in NSW and it has greatly reduced the number of people shooting each other. To say the gun was solely responsible would be wrong, but to deny it's a factor would be equally so.

Dan

[triplev123]

Got no problems with people making their own bed Jamie, just people who try to win debates telling porkies, you are still claiming 2YO racing has nothing to do with the some young horses falling by the wayside?

you are either a lot dumber that I thought you were or you just refuse to acknowledge that your incorrect!

I did not and have not ever said 2YO racing is evil and is soley responsible for the ruination of babies, I have said it is a factor, along with excessive prizemoney and a host of other reasons.

They banned the gun in NSW and it has greatly reduced the number of people shooting each other. To say the gun was solely responsible would be wrong, but to deny it's a factor would be equally so.

Dan

[VVV] Ok Dan, now that you've got accusing me of both telling lies & being dumb out of your system can we continue?...or do you wish to keep on with more of this schoolyard stuff? If that's the case then we may as well leave it at that.
Seems to me that you're moving the goalposts on me as we go. Your position has gone & shifted slightly. Instead of 2yo racing being the Antichrist...now you're saying that 2yo racing is not solely to blame for young horses breaking down...but that it is a factor along with excessive prizemoney & a host of other reasons. A host of other reasons...such as?
Do me a favour and read that reply of mine to Daryl in its entirety & place the statement you picked out within the context of that which preceeded and that which followed it.

Regards

Jaimie

[2minuteman]

Out behind the dunnies and sort it out at little lunch you blokes!! (joke Joyce)

[aussiebreno]

Let's not race horses at all in case they break down !

I like what VVV said a few posts back, words that basically sent the message that it shouldn't bother me what someone does with their horse. After all they own/train it and its their decision.

Of course if the prizemoney was different then the decision may be different. But the biggest reason the prizemoney is there is from state sires series' and yearling sales which I believe are a BIG positive for the industry.
Only a handful of horses win that prizemoney anyway.
The rest can also get up to 4 (?) wins before it affects their class as a 3yo and beyond. So two horses of equal ability could win 6 races (1win at 2yo, 2win at 3yo and 3wins at 4yo+) and only be a C3 whereas a horse who starts later on in life will only ever have 3 wins and reach a C3. There are a whole lot of what ifs and positives and negatives but as VVV said what somebody chooses shouldnt bother others.

[David Summers]

Out behind the dunnies and sort it out at little lunch you blokes!! (joke Joyce)

Fight ! Fight ! Fight ! [munching popcorn ]

[A BIT DUSTY]

Here's a related thought.
Given the current state of play as far as fillies & mares racing is concerned, anyone who owns a 2yo filly should be leaving no stone unturned in their efforts to get them to the track. I say this because once they've past 3yrs, the pickings are getting pretty damned slim & continue to get slimmer for the females. Try regularly starting in 4yo+ mares only races. If you give up on a filly's 2yo season then you've effectively given up 50% of her racing career and as much if not an even greater % of her earning capacity.


Jamie I think you have made a couple of references now to this subject. The last two horses I have purchased have been 4yr old mares. I'll let you into a little secret, Mares get a huge leg up regarding handicapping in N.S.W . Mares drop a class when nominated for a mixed sex race , so a C2 mare can race in a C1 race etc. and once they become a C4 they can drop back 2 classes with concession driver.I know that there are only a few feature races for them, but have you taken any notice to the mares M0/M1 's that are on at almost ever metro meeting at menangle. With the use of driver concessions a mare can WIN 3 metro class races easily eg: Mandy Rambo recently, also once a month there is a C1-C2 mares only series with heats of $5,000 in the country, provincial track,s with a $7,500 final at Menangle once again with clever placement a mare can win 2 of these series. So as you can see Jamie it is not such a bad thing after all ,certainly not that bad that you have to burn 2yr old babies before throwing them on the scrap heap.

[aussiebreno]

[QUOTE=A BIT DUSTY;13696]Here's a related thought.
Given the current state of play as far as fillies & mares racing is concerned, anyone who owns a 2yo filly should be leaving no stone unturned in their efforts to get them to the track. I say this because once they've past 3yrs, the pickings are getting pretty damned slim & continue to get slimmer for the females. Try regularly starting in 4yo+ mares only races. If you give up on a filly's 2yo season then you've effectively given up 50% of her racing career and as much if not an even greater % of her earning capacity.


Jamie I think you have made a couple of references now to this subject. The last two horses I have purchased have been 4yr old mares. I'll let you into a little secret, Mares get a huge leg up regarding handicapping in N.S.W . Mares drop a class when nominated for a mixed sex race Thats only accounts for one win they may not have got otherwise. , so a C2 mare can race in a C1 race etc . and once they become a C4 they can drop back 2 classes with concession driver. moot point because so can boysI know that there are only a few feature races for them, but have you taken any notice to the mares M0/M1 's that are on at almost ever metro meeting at menangle. With the use of driver concessions a mare can WIN 3 metro class races easily Got to get their first eg: Mandy Rambo recently, also once a month there is a C1-C2 mares only series with heats of $5,000 in the country, once a month. Why not more?provincial track,s with a $7,500 final at Menangle once again with clever placement a mare can win 2 of these series. So that's 12 mares. What about the other 200 (?) here in NSW So as you can see Jamie it is not such a bad thing after all ,certainly not that bad that you have to burn 2yr old babies before throwing them on the scrap heap.That wasn't what he was implying and just because you race at 2 doesn't mean you won't go on. We're doing circlework here lol [/QUOTE]
By the way to VVV aren't you quite friendly with B P Hancock?

[David Summers]

Kudos to all sides in this thread for having the stamina to continue the argument on and on and .........on, but don't you think that you should just shake hands and call it a draw.

No-one will change the other's mind about this , so let's call it even and move on

[admin]

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[aussiebreno]

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So much lolz even if it is partly in my direction. I walk away from the computer thinking the same things sometimes but it always gets the better of me.