Goodbye Lance

[A BIT DUSTY]

(1) i really don't think the hard working, dedicated albiet often frustrated people administering our sport would, in the slightest, appreciate your desciption of them.

(2) if it's in the "too hard basket", would this not mean the afformentioned administarors have looked at changing the rules on some therapeutic drugs but, as yet, cannot come up with a plan that works in a practicle way that the industry/sports participants can cope with?

(3) until it can be guaranteed that every time each horse races it is carrying the exact same doses of regulated drugs, then consistent form cannot be assured. Many of these drugs need to be administered 4 to 5 hours in advance of competition. In order for that to happen then each horse using regulated drugs needs to go to the track 4 to 5 hours before it's race. This may work at the meadowlands where the majority of the runners are stabled on site but in the land of oz where we are spread out over vast distances, the majority of horses are trained at private establishments and our game would not survive without hobby trainers, (who have a job to tend to) no wonder it's in the too hard basket.

well said danno

[peteboss4]

Correct me if im wrong, but didn't trainers in the past put in treatment sheets before they raced ( for bute etc ) . And if so why was this stopped. Any one know ? . Maybe this way it would be more of a level playing field. Or maybe it was dangerous for horses to race & not feel pain.

[Danno]

Sorry to hear you are ailing Brendan ,but I don't think Ian Thorp would be looking over his shoulder for you, even if you was 100%. If you took the time to read my thread I made the point that pain killers can not improve a horses ability so to use your silly little analogy does not make sense (I think I have read others say the same). In your own research you have proven what I have been trying to explain to you , EFFECTIVENESS 1 power to produce results, 2 the state of being operative , 3 to produce as an effect, Brendan you can see from your own words that pain killers ENHANCE ones ability to perform.

Well said Dusty!!

[A BIT DUSTY]

Correct me if im wrong, but didn't trainers in the past put in treatment sheets before they raced ( for bute etc ) . And if so why was this stopped. Any one know ? . Maybe this way it would be more of a level playing field. Or maybe it was dangerous for horses to race & not feel pain.

I think you'll find treatment sheets or treatment notification is used in the US, but I personally have never heard of them being used here.

[Danno]

It didn't increase the horses ultimate potential. It did not enhance performance - it only allowed potential to be realised.
If that is a performance enhancer than so is water and food. Without water and food you may only race at say 25% but with it you can race at 100%. So are water and food performance enhancers too?
Something that makes the horse go to 101% is a performance enhancer.
A horse could be given something on the Tuesday, that then allows it to race on Saturday. By the Saturday it is out of its system but do we do midweek testing at stables for drugs that allowed horses to reach potential?
No, there are two different classes of drugs - ones you can have at the stables and ones you can't because they are on different levels of the spectrum.


Enhance
1. To make greater, as in value, beauty, or effectiveness; augment.
2. To provide with improved, advanced, or sophisticated features

Painkillers do not make a horse greater or improve a horse. They merely allow the horses features to be met, not advanced.

Edit: I'm actually knocked up on painkillers right now with Swimmers ear and the flu. I don't think Ian Thorpe is going to be worried about me on my painkillers!

Brenno, that food and water analogy won't stand up mate, food and water are essential to life, therapeutic drugs are not.

[Danno]

I think you'll find treatment sheets or treatment notification is used in the US, but I personally have never heard of them being used here.

Treatment notification was mandatory in NSW years ago, not too sure what the situation is now. I think, if my memory serves me, they were put in place to assist in the
a) transparency of treatments and
B) instances where treatment ceased at prescibed ( eg 4 days for bute) time but a positive swab is encountered.

not going to swear by any of that, just relying on my not so perfect memory.

[Thevoiceofreason]

Treatment notification was mandatory in NSW years ago, not too sure what the situation is now. I think, if my memory serves me, they were put in place to assist in the
a) transparency of treatments and
B) instances where treatment ceased at prescibed ( eg 4 days for bute) time but a positive swab is encountered.

not going to swear by any of that, just relying on my not so perfect memory.

That is pretty close to right.

[peteboss4]

Bill is your first name Ron ??????

[triplev123]

Aspects of this thread remind me of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smgV...eature=related
Nothing quite like a Cello Player in a Marching Band.

[gutwagon]

Wasn't this thread about Lance walking away from the sport if SU lost the inter final ? It looks like it could be a while before he walks anywhere ! I'm surprized that the word "karma" hasn't come up yet !
But on a serious note I wish him a speedy recovery.