BOOM.....McCarthy Positive.

[Triple V]

G'day all,

As we all know, a couple of days ago an announcement was made that Luke McCarthy had scored a Boldenone positive...and then somewhat predictably, all Hell broke loose here on this Forum.

Earlier today it came to pass that Barry Lew also has a positive, scored on same night at the same track for the same substance and yet, just as I predicted on the day that the announcement about Luke was made, so far not so much as a peep from those who a couple of days ago rather publicly & en masse sought to damn Luke to Hell for his alleged transgression.

Now I'm not wanting the roof to similarly fall in on Barry in the way it did on Luke, not at all. Far from it. Anything like that would be just as big a disgrace as this very thread has periodically been since it was started by the now banned 'Stonie' aka (fill in multiple ID's here).

Rather what I am endeavouring to highlight here is the absolutely disgraceful, duplicitous nature of the way in which positives for various/respective Trainers are apparently being met by some sections of the Industry here in NSW.

If it's Luke McCarthy, clearly the Peanut Gallery has been lying in wait for him and they're all over him like starving seagulls swooping on a bucket of hot chips, the due process of it all be damned. Now that Barry has also been mentioned in dispatches and..........well, you could hear a pin drop.

Apparently in the Court of Public Opinion....some get hung, some get a pass ?.

Apparently the reaction depends wholly and solely on who you are, how often you're beating your opposition and where you sit on the Premiership Table.

Apparently...it has/there is a HUGE jealousy component to it as well.

Talk about running with the Fox and hunting with the Hounds.

They are both good blokes, they are both excellent Trainers...but obviously it's Luke that is training a big team, a big public stable, he is leading the NSW Premiership by wide open lengths & seemingly because of that and that alone, he has taken/ is taking the majority if not all of the heat from certain sections of the Industry.

To me it just goes to show that such transgressions, be they perceived or actual, be they proven or alleged, are generally being seen through the clearly rather warped prism of whether or not the person who scores it was the one who beat you last time you went to the track, this as opposed to any legal/moral/level playing field implications that it may or may not carry. I wish I could have been on as good a thing at the track. I'd have had the house on it.

As always...Derryn Hinch said it best. Shame. Shame. Shame.


Incidentally, according to the Newcastle results on December 9th, there's no notation.
Apparently Karloo Kix wasn't swabbed???????????????

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[Messenger]

That is a disgusting post in itself VVV. Not that I have crucified LM as you claim some have. I log on and read about 2 paragraphs of your post before thinking how laughable it is. I will go back and read it eventually (although ridiculously long) but I hate to point out that:
1. A lot of us work and follow forums out of work hours
2. It sounded like you have been banning the ones you might expect to hang the next offender (which you seem to be semi-wishing for)
3. How many posters actually got stuck into LM?

[The Rainmaker]

1. Seems alot of posters were banned after having a potshot at McCarthy after his positive swab came to light the other day, or if it was one person under multiple aliases it shoots your theory in the foot that every man and his dog were on McCarthy's hammer.

2. Another poster this afternoon said they made a post about Barry Lew's Boldenone positive only to have it deleted by a moderator.

3. The so called 'Peanut Gallery' have been on the money in recent times in regards to:

* Bennett and Fitzpatrick and co being involved in the swabbing scandal - CORRECT
* Luke McCarthy's results pointing to potential steroid/drug use - CORRECT
* His mate Barry Lew using the same substance - CORRECT

All before public announcements were made. If the 'Peanut Gallery' is the name given to those on the money I'd hate to see what those people would be known as if they were incorrect. Not to mention that you personally knew all those rumours as well, if you didn't believe them what does it make you?

4. Luke McCarthy and Barry Lew are both cheats as far as I'm concerned, history shows they both recorded a positive swab to Boldenone.

[Triple V]

That is a disgusting post in itself VVV. Not that I have crucified LM as you claim some have. I log on and read about 2 paragraphs of your post before thinking how laughable it is. I will go back and read it eventually (although ridiculously long) but I hate to point out that:
1. A lot of us work and follow forums out of work hours
[VVV] Accept that.

2. It sounded like you have been banning the ones you might expect to hang the next offender (which you seem to be semi-wishing for)
[VVV] If you think that then you have misunderstood what I am getting at.

3. How many posters actually got stuck into LM?
[VVV] Didn't keep count however there have been and there were, plenty.

Kevin, I accept that the truth is somewhat confronting at times.
The above has apparently proven to have been so for your good self, something which was not my intention.
That's a post that comes straight from the heart. It's not edited, it is not held back, it doesn't infer nor illude.
Disgusting? No, not for mine.
A bit of old fashioned, straight forward honesty around here would go a long way right now, don't you think?

Regards

Jaimie

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Now we have confirmation of the second swap to the samething on the same night the case for contamination, mix up at the lab got a whole lot stronger. I still a little disappointed that that both trainers were named publicly before the circumstances of how the contamination accrued have been investigated. Both trainers names have been damaged. I know both trainers personally both take excellent care of there horses and would never use any thing that could damage there horses or there good names.

I also noted that from the Newcastle meeting the only two stallions to win both return positives.

Also watching the Reid sanders interview he seemed to down play Luke's swab saying that it is a natural hormone and the levels are cumlitive. I got the oppinion that Reid knows how this mix up has happined and will be quickly resolved.

[Triple V]

1. Seems alot of posters were banned after having a potshot at McCarthy after his positive swab came to light the other day, or if it was one person under multiple aliases it shoots your theory in the foot that every man and his dog were on McCarthy's hammer.

2. Another poster this afternoon said they made a post about Barry Lew's Boldenone positive only to have it deleted by a moderator.

3. The so called 'Peanut Gallery' have been on the money in recent times in regards to:

* Bennett and Fitzpatrick and co being involved in the swabbing scandal - CORRECT
* Luke McCarthy's results pointing to potential steroid/drug use - CORRECT
* His mate Barry Lew using the same substance - CORRECT

All before public announcements were made. If the 'Peanut Gallery' is the name given to those on the money I'd hate to see what those people would be known as if they were incorrect. Not to mention that you personally knew all those rumours as well, if you didn't believe them what does it make you?

4. Luke McCarthy and Barry Lew are both cheats as far as I'm concerned, history shows they both recorded a positive swab to Boldenone.

[VVV] Eric, that is a further example of what I am getting at.
How can you or anybody else so confidently get on here and categorically state that which you have stated above BEFORE either gentleman has been afforded the due process of a Hearing etc?
That is exactly the reason why a dozen or more people were banned. You might think that, you might believe that to be the case BUT until such time as as Hearing is carried out or you can independently prove it to be so, then you can't say what you've said there in Point 4)
Where do you, or for that matter Harnesslink, have to go if these positives are subsequently proven to have been contamination/lab error or whatever? You're buggered and so are they. You just can't say that. The English language is a wonderful thing. Try using it to get your point across without having to resort to attaching a very, very premature 'cheat' tag to these blokes.

[broncobrad]

I am sorry triple, are we part of the peanut gallery you infer? Mate, really, it is a forum and it is a place where opinions are bandied around. Of course it comes as no suprise that Luke receives the brunt of the allegations and the slander. He is the gun and jealousy will always prevail. We live in a tall poppy, knocking down society and if you stick your head up, it is going to get shot at. That is just how it is.

Don't put the forum contributors on trial. We are not the ones that presented horses on the track with a substance in them that exceeds acceptable thresholds. That was Luke McCarthy and Barry Lew. They will get to defend themselves in the proper arena. I do feel for Barry, this is not a stress that I would like to be subjected to, after just losing his Dad. I find the most interesting fact to this point is both animals are entires.

[Messenger]

Regards

Jaimie

Disgusting is maybe a bit strong but I find it disturbing that a mod uses such broad generalizations. After apparently discovering that we have weak individuals using bogus names and rightly banning them and thus covering 90% of the negative posts (which on review I now admit there were more of than I thought) you see fit to lecture/preach to the rest of us. Warning - there is nothing an ex-chalkie hates more than to be scolded

[Triple V]

G'day Brad,

You've hit the nail right on the head when you wrote

[Mate, really, it is a forum and it is a place where opinions are bandied around. Of course it comes as no suprise that Luke receives the brunt of the allegations and the slander. He is the gun and jealousy will always prevail. We live in a tall poppy, knocking down society and if you stick your head up, it is going to get shot at. That is just how it is.]

then you went on to say...

[Don't put the forum contributors on trial. We are not the ones that presented horses on the track with a substance in them that exceeds acceptable thresholds. That was Luke McCarthy and Barry Lew. They will get to defend themselves in the proper arena.]

Think about those words for a moment.
'the brunt of allegations and slander' & 'They will get to defend themselves in the proper arena'.

Those are your own words mate. The question follows as to why is it then that either should be subjected to whilst unable to defend themselves against allegations and slander in this Forum, it far from being the proper arena?....that pretty much being one of the points to my intial 'duplicity' post.

[Triple V]

Disgusting is maybe a bit strong but I find it disturbing that a mod uses such broad generalizations. After apparently discovering that we have weak individuals using bogus names and rightly banning them and thus covering 90% of the negative posts (which on review I now admit there were more of than I thought) you see fit to lecture/preach to the rest of us. Warning - there is nothing an ex-chalkie hates more than to be scolded

[VVV] Nobody disrepsects the Chalkies. My apologies if you took it to heart. It was from mine, as I said.