BOOM.....McCarthy Positive.

[Triple V]

Yes, They are both entered in the Mr Australia Body Building Titles!!!!!

[VVV] Completely off topic but one of my Mum's cousins is/was married to a bloke by the name of Paul Graham. He was one of the first Mr. Universe types here in Oz. As a kid, to me he looked like a Mountain. Years later I saw him and once he'd stopped training he faded away to just another bloke in the street.

[The Form Student]

[VVV] Completely off topic but one of my Mum's cousins is/was married to a bloke by the name of Paul Graham. He was one of the first Mr. Universe types here in Oz. As a kid, to me he looked like a Mountain. Years later I saw him and once he'd stopped training he faded away to just another bloke in the street.

Triple V, I remember Paul Graham, he was massively built, he was on a skit on the Paul Hogan show years back when either Hoges or Strop were checking his girlfriend out on the beach, when he approched them with his muscular physique and was going to belt him, one of them kicked sand in his eyes, and that was the end of him!

I know it is off topic, but just a bit of humour, I keep smiling thinking of that skit! Just trying to make a few jokes about the current situation!

[Triple V]

Jamie, mentioned the "Colonel" (his suggestion not mine) knows more than he is able mention at present.

[VVV] The Colonel? Sorry, I'm just not with you there Steve. What are you referring to? Where did I say that?

[Triple V]

Triple V, I remember Paul Graham, he was massively built, he was on a skit on the Paul Hogan show years back when either Hoges or Strop were checking his girlfriend out on the beach, when he approched them with his muscular physique and was going to belt him, one of them kicked sand in his eyes, and that was the end of him!

I know it is off topic, but just a bit of humour, I keep smiling thinking of that skit! Just trying to make a few jokes about the current situation!

[VVV] Yeh, it's needed right now. If nothing else everyone getting so fired up at least proves there's still a fair bit of love out there for the sport, even if we're often coming at it from very different angles. It would be far worse if nobody said anything because that means nobody gives a bugger.
You know what Steve? Old mate earlier referred to wasn't the nicest fella around. He used to get around all dolled up in a red sports car & living the high life while leaving his wife and kids back at home in the real world. As I recall he had an absolutely HUGE ego. I remember him wearing flares.

[The Form Student]

[VVV] Yeh, it's needed right now. If nothing else everyone getting so fired up at least proves there's still a fair bit of love out there for the sport, even if we're often coming at it from very different angles. It would be far worse if nobody said anything because that means nobody gives a bugger.
You know what Steve? Old mate earlier referred to wasn't the nicest fella around. He used to get around all dolled up in a red sports car & living the high life while leaving his wife and kids back at home in the real world. As I recall he had an absolutely HUGE ego. I remember him wearing flares.

Hey Triple, I found the Paul Graham skit on youtube, check it out for a laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are a lot of familiar faces in this clip!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2e9nIdJdvY

[Triple V]

I think he had his hair dyed there. I remember it as being lighter than that.

[The Form Student]

I think it is time to get back on track with the theme of this thread!

My thought is that it is too coincidental, that 2 swabs on the same night at the same track, by the only 2 stallions that were swabbed come back with a positive. There have been no positives reported to Boldenone either prior to or post Newcastle to date (that I am aware of). So the obvious conclusion is that something has affected the swabs taken, their equipment has been faulty or re-calibrated etc. Or there is some other reason, some have suggested masking agents etc. What we don't know is the concentration levels of each swab, except that they are over the magic 15 micrograms per litre threshold in urine samples. Why is it that once the urine sample irregularities were known, that immediatley blood samples were not taken, as stated in the 'Colonels" interviews on trotstv recently, that blood samples were more accurate than urine. The other point is that comments from research from other contributors have said that Boldenone stays in the system for months.
The stance taken by HRNSW stewards in such matters has been that the licenced trainer of the horse is required to present the horse drug frree to the races. Look at what happened to David Waite with his Morphine positive, they found purple poppy flowers on his property that produced the Morphine. He got off with a caution!!
'Mr Waite was however cautioned that he must take all reasonable measures in the future to ensure that his horses cannot be contaminated."

Where does this leave us??????????????

[teecee]

This swab is clearly an error at the lab or in the collection of the swab. As has been previously stated bolderone is long lasting and there is no way that a horse can test negative shortly before and shortly after and have a positive in between.

This statement has had me thinking since I first read it. It took me back to something I read previously somewhere. I am pretty sure it came up during the BLUE MAGIC saga some years ago. Whilst it was about NZ somebody may be able to confirm or deny whether it also applies in Australia. The way some people talk about the costs of integrity in NSW and don't want any of their new found wealth spent on this issue of corruption, I fear it probably does apply there at least.
For reasons of cost, (and sample analysis is apparently not cheap), samples taken from horses for post race analysis are not subject to analysis across the whole spectrum of prohibited substances. In other words samples taken at a particular meeting are tested for a selection of drugs..i.e. 10 -12 different drugs from the list.
Samples taken from another day are tested for other drugs from the list.
With that in mind the possibility exists that Boldenone was selected for testing samples from Newcastle Cup meet but was not selected for testing at the horses prior or subsequent starts. This may not be the end of that though.
Again I am unsure what the procedure is in Australia but in NZ a positive swab will trigger a retrospective retest of samples from that particular horse.

[Mister JayKO]

Slightly off topic ,but as this is my last post I'll leave you all with some thoughts to consider.

This is my last post because I'm leaving / left the industry for good. I have been a participant in many forms for over 20 years, but at the moment the sport is at the crossroads, it's financial draining and no longer providing the enjoyment it needs to in order to balance the ledger.

On the face of it, this appears to be in the "false positive" caetgory and a few seem to have jumped the gun. Having said that and having lived thru the "Gleeson Era" in Sydney and several other periods of domination by training groups in other states, I can understand the suspicion that some people have regarding some key players at the moment.

Looking across the seas to the ongoing Lou Pena saga in the US you don't have to be Einsteeen to connect the dots.

I have always been of the innocent until proven guilty mode, but over time and experience, that view is changing. Certainly training methods can help but when you see horses that you know jump out of the ground when switching camps then see them returned in a heap once they have finished with them you more than question the methods being employed.

Chemists have always been more than a step ahead and whether it's EPO, ITTP, Blue Magic, TC02 or whatever as soon as it can be detectable you can be sure that there is something else out there.

So in the main, harness racing is now almost totally gambling focussed and that's a shame. For those without the passion for the sport, it's viewed in a very negative light and whilst I acknowledge the need for everything to follow due process, the ongoing delay will continue to kill the sport off on a slow basis.

Good luck to everyone continuing on and I hope for your sake that the slow decline can be averted.

[p plater]

Teecee you could be closer to the mark than you think, at last years Inters in Auckland, only test for DMSO was on final night, you will recall they called for retesting on heats later.
More money equals more tests, the fact that a positive for Boldenone has not been seen for ages could mean no tests have been done for it for a long time. Old timers tell me it has been around for years. As has Arsenic which got a result recently. Is it back to the future!!!!!!!!!!!