How 'refreshing'!!
Lots of people with lots of different opinions on a forum topic and no one abusing anyone!! Good for us!!
I'll agree with you Steve. His last 800 was absolutely unbelievable but does that make him the fastest horse? Certainly given your figures the fastest over 800m at Gloucester Park.
"Use Smoken Up as a pacemaker at Menangle and he'd go 1.46". Dunno about that. He could sit on Smoken Up's back at Menangle for a month of Sundays. He wouldn't get past him (in my opinion!!)
He has (when trainer said he going better than when he 'won' the NZ Interdom) last year and couldn't do it. He burnt out of the gate Breno but so did Smoken Up. Smoken Up got sat on and then came out went around and led. Got taken on by Franco Jamar and Mr Feelgood while ITMQ sat on his back. Franco Jamar headed him at one point. ITMQ still couldn't get past him (I'm dictating for my young son at the moment!).
Like he (my son) says, 1.48.5 is the fastest ever race time in Oz. He's the fastest.
Also (he says)...Grand Circuit champion this season. Amazingly raced and won in all states of Oz (except Tasmania) plus NZ in one season.
Takes all types horses make the harness racing world go round. And opinions too! The more champions the better I reckon!
Again, good for us!!
Cheers
Well said Paul & Son
When I started this thread I hoped it would spark good discussion with all the crap removed. Sometimes I think the media hype things up and of course we all have our favorites but since joining this forum the "quality of thoughts" has been outstanding on a range of topics.
This is how a forum should work......concur Good on Us
Yeah there is a bit of potato patata going on here. Smoken Up might be have the fastest time over 1609, but remember someone also holds the record for the marathon, doesnt mean they're fast! From a 400-800m sprint point of view ITMQ is the fastest in the land. Auckland Reactor and Holy Camp Boy other challengers. I think Smoken Up runs more an even pace - although yes he is still fast.Originally Posted by Toohard
Re: burnt out of the gate. I think that is Smoken Ups go, get the lead and run like a headless chook (within reason) whereas Quinny is better from a sit - whatever the pace. So Quinny coming out of the gate like that went against him. If he had a run like Karloo Mick it is my opinion he wins (see Cranbourne Cup last season). Therefore I'd love to see Quinny get a sit on Smoken Up, or anybody, at Menangle over 1609.
I must add; as much as I love/d Blacks A Fake how refreshing is it and good for the industry we get to debate who is the best in the land!
I must add, as much as I love/d Blacks A Fake its good to have uncertainty and debate as to who is the King of harness.
Gee Brendan you may have a hard time convincing G Hall snr to drive him like Karloo Mick's run but it would be interesting.
Here's one for you, remember Smoken Ups run at Melton prior to going to Perth where he broke the record..He was never on the track but kept running. Race run in quarters of 27.8,28.3,27.4 and 28.1 for a 1.51.1 mile rate. Given he went 55.5 for the last half being wide, do you think ITMQ would have run past him given the early speed.
I think on that occassion SU raced out of his comfort zone
By fastest, I mean sheer acceleration and speed.......you are mentioning Smoken Up, and those races around Xmas.......ITMQ was not racing well in the eastern states.......you can only go on the latest runs, and they were in the ID, ITMQ smacked their bottoms and made them all look 2nd class......he demoralized Raglan in the last of his heats.......fastest means speed and acceleration........over what distance do you measure the speed?.......probably a 600 metre burst..............How do you beat the other runners with ITMQ.......you need to get a run with cover and be close enough at the 400 metre mark......timing his run to perfection, no horse can match him!.......maybe Auckland Reactor on it's good days would go close...........yes horses like Smoken Up and Blackie have outstayed their rivals to win, beaten them into submission by making them run along along way from home........horses with speed and given the right run will come out in front in most cases!
The Form Student -Track records... Gloucester park
1700M - Has the Answers ( sprint race distance )
2506M - Mr Feelgood ( Interdominion final distance )
To say Imthemightyquinn is Australias fastest pacer possibly ever. What ever your taking i want some.
He doesn't hold the fastest time for 1700M in the west or the fastest time for the interdominion final distance 2506M. Smoken up holds the record for Australasia's quickest time. Imthemightyquinn has won the races in question but by no means is he the fastest.
Fastest means from START to FINISH and thats not just winning on one night. Pretty sure thats why they have a Track record over distance.
Rather silly bringing up those track records. Quinnys 2100m time is 0.5 outside Has The Answers time and Quinny has beat Feelgood two (?) times over the 2500m in the last 2 months.
As I said earlier, potato patata...Fastest doesn't have to be defined as a mile rate under race conditions, it could be defined as a 200m sprint on the training track. IMO, Quinny has the greatest acceleration and greatest top speed of horses going around at the moment. That makes him the fastest. His 100% top speed over a shortish time is the fastest, whereas probably Smoken Ups 90% top speed but sustained over longer distances makes him the toughest of the horses currently racing.
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