One track wonder?

[p plater]

Rather silly bringing up those track records. Quinnys 2100m time is 0.5 outside Has The Answers time and Quinny has beat Feelgood two (?) times over the 2500m in the last 2 months.
As I said earlier, potato patata...Fastest doesn't have to be defined as a mile rate under race conditions, it could be defined as a 200m sprint on the training track. IMO, Quinny has the greatest acceleration and greatest top speed of horses going around at the moment. That makes him the fastest. His 100% top speed over a shortish time is the fastest, whereas probably Smoken Ups 90% top speed but sustained over longer distances makes him the toughest of the horses currently racing.

Based on your definition of the Fastest horse....maybe "Has the Answers" is the one .....first 200m or first 400m or even the first 637m.......Brendan get real

[The Form Student]

Based on your definition of the Fastest horse....maybe "Has the Answers" is the one .....first 200m or first 400m or even the first 637m.......Brendan get real

you might be also right...........I wrote recently that Has The Answers has been a great horse.....to come out of the mobile like he does week after week is incredible.........he is definitely the fastest mobile beginner I have seen...............some of his sectionals have been incredible also............once again he falls into your category of over what distance is speed measured..............I will take your point and make ITMQ & HTA as equal fastest, until proven otherwise, bit I think ITMQ has just a bit more acceleration.........HTA is usually driven upfront and ITMQ is driven with a sit.......2 opposite racing styles.......if ITMQ was asked to come out of the mobile like HTA every week........they would probably need the horse ambulance on standby at the track!......SU does not possess the sheer speed of the other 2!
Why hasn't HTA been chasing the Grand Circuit mile races over the years........come out take a sit on SU......and have your go down the straight.....would have racked up some good prizemoney!

[eliteblood]

I wonder what is the official fastest qtr ever recorded in Aust / NZ ?
Anybody know ?

[aussiebreno]

Based on your definition of the Fastest horse....maybe "Has the Answers" is the one .....first 200m or first 400m or even the first 637m.......Brendan get real

Yes he has the fastest gate speed (that we get to see/of those who choose to fly the gate). Other notables out of the gate include Deadsetlucky although he doesn't get used as much now.
You know Usain Bolt is the fastest over 100m doesnt mean he is the fastest of the mile or a marathon?
If we got a speed gun out I reckon ITMQ would clock the highest reading, does that not make him the fastest?

Edit: Not sure why this even matters...Quinny is now a dual ID champ fastest or not

[Toohard]

Therefore I'd love to see Quinny get a sit on Smoken Up, or anybody, at Menangle over 1609.

That ain't going to happen this year Breno. As mentioned earlier he's not going in the Miracle Mile. Trainer said in interview on Sky after the Interdom final that the race doesn't suit him.

Now I could be a smart arse and say it doesn't suit him because that race is for the fastest horses. But I ain't a smart arse so I won't say it !!

[aussiebreno]

That ain't going to happen this year Breno. As mentioned earlier he's not going in the Miracle Mile. Trainer said in interview on Sky after the Interdom final that the race doesn't suit him.

Now I could be a smart arse and say it doesn't suit him because that race is for the fastest horses. But I ain't a smart arse so I won't say it !!

Just look at this caption under the photo of Smoken Up
http://www.menangleparkpaceway.com.au/

An interesting thing just crossed my mind re ITMQ not going to Miracle Mile...its has been 10 years since a horse has won both the Miracle Mile and ID, that being Smooth Satin and both of course on his home turf.

*Smoken Up pending.

[tyson]

Rather silly bringing up those track records. Quinnys 2100m time is 0.5 outside Has The Answers time and Quinny has beat Feelgood two (?) times over the 2500m in the last 2 months.
As I said earlier, potato patata...Fastest doesn't have to be defined as a mile rate under race conditions, it could be defined as a 200m sprint on the training track. IMO, Quinny has the greatest acceleration and greatest top speed of horses going around at the moment. That makes him the fastest. His 100% top speed over a shortish time is the fastest, whereas probably Smoken Ups 90% top speed but sustained over longer distances makes him the toughest of the horses currently racing.

0.5 on 2100M not 1700m. So your on a different ball game. You have no point!!!

The day ITMQ wins a 200M race and holds the record for 200M. Then he can be named the fastest horse over 200M,but i doubt we will ever see a 200M race. Once again a race is from start to finish. Not 600M,400M,200M sprints. who ever crosses the line first wins and if that happens to be the fastest time well guess what " thats the fastest horse "

[aussiebreno]

0.5 on 2100M not 1700m. So your on a different ball game. You have no point!!!

The day ITMQ wins a 200M race and holds the record for 200M. Then he can be named the fastest horse over 200M,but i doubt we will ever see a 200M race. Once again a race is from start to finish. Not 600M,400M,200M sprints. who ever crosses the line first wins and if that happens to be the fastest time well guess what " thats the fastest horse "

My point is he is 0.5 seconds outside that mile rate but over 400m further so I am pretty sure he would be able to beat Has The Answers time.

Googled 'fast definition' - not for my benefit but for others benefit - and here is the result; Fast: adjective; moving or capable of moving at high speed.
Where does it say the speed must be sustained for a certain period? But imo ITMQ has the highest high speed therefore he is the fastest.
There's no disputing that mile rate on the board Smoken Up has the fastest mile....but I think ITMQ can move/is capable of moving at higher speed.

Lets trawl back to year high school science/maths. Some posters in here are using time (specifically 1.48) as giving Smoken Up the fastest mantle. But velocity is in fact speed which = fastest. Velocity and time are two different things. So yes Smoken Up may have the better velocity over time (meaning he covers 1609 faster) but for just sheer velocity ITMQ does him.

So yes Smoken Up has the fastest mile rate on the board and thats a more prestigious honour than being the fastest mantle Quinny has, that being the fastest top speed imo.

If you can't see that and need a 200m race ran for you than I give up.

[The Form Student]

0.5 on 2100M not 1700m. So your on a different ball game. You have no point!!!

The day ITMQ wins a 200M race and holds the record for 200M. Then he can be named the fastest horse over 200M,but i doubt we will ever see a 200M race. Once again a race is from start to finish. Not 600M,400M,200M sprints. who ever crosses the line first wins and if that happens to be the fastest time well guess what " thats the fastest horse "

That is not correct, we are talking about the absolute speed a horse possesses, most of the fastest times for races of any distance are where other runners have setup the race for another horse to run on and win. You can have a horse as the fastest over a certain distance, e.g. Smoken Up at 1:48.5 over 1609 metres, but the track and conditions also play a significant part.......Menangle is also the fastest track, so you would expect the faterst times are run their! The most suitable conditions to record the fastest time, for e.g. over 1609 metres would be to find the track soil that provides for the best conditions for speed, and the most suitable weather conditons, and then a couple of galloping pacemakers and then run in a straght line, with the pacemakers putting on sectional times below the previous record, and then the pacemakers pulling out of the way so that the horse can finish off the last 200-300 metres. You would then get you fastest time..........Just like Donald Campbell in his "Bluebird" doing a time trial!
Now, as you know a horse cannot sprint at it's top speed forever........so there needs to be a defined distance for a horse to be measured over........I put 400-600 metres, and I would say that may even be too high, but suffice for now........Do you agree that the ID field was made up of most of our best horses available............well if you do, them ITMQ showed that he had more brilliant sheer speed than any other runner based on the sectional times he recorded.......but I will say the HTA was not far behind, and Auckland Reactor put in a great time in the 2nd series of heats.......but for acceleration during a race ITMQ had the best speed and was not doing this on the running line!

[clumsy]

Brenno
I declare you the winner of this going nowhere discussion!'!!!!!'!!!