Ch2 ODDS AND ENDS - not big enough for a thread of their own

[Fan of Jate]

Million Dollar Cam's award must have been based on Ameretto's performances I would say....

[Messenger]

A dam might win a broodmare award for one progeny but you would think it should take more to win a sire's award

[Fan of Jate]

Ben Yole must have wondered what he more he had to do after having 9 runners in race 4 at Devonport and still not winning. Maybe because it was Friday the 13th !!!!!

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=DV131017

[Messenger]

Tassie harness would collapse if Yole was disqualified

[Messenger]

Was there a strong headwind in the home straight at Shep today?
The fastest last Q was 29.3

[Messenger]

This story was tipping us into Tanaka Eagle

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35292

But with him getting up at $9.30

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GP031117#GPM03111751

I am guessing not too many of us listened

ps It was after looking at Katie's foal pics that I thought to look at the GP program tonight and I noticed one of the Stables and Katie's favourites had drawn 1 but of course I did not back $14.50 winner Three Blind Mice either

[KTQ]

This story was tipping us into Tanaka Eagle

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35292

But with him getting up at $9.30

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GP031117#GPM03111751

I am guessing not too many of us listened

ps It was after looking at Katie's foal pics that I thought to look at the GP program tonight and I noticed one of the Stables and Katie's favourites had drawn 1 but of course I did not back $14.50 winner Three Blind Mice either

Halls used to have Tanaka Eagle. It's grown a leg with the new trainer. Good on him!

And Mouse's field was tough. Not sure too many picked him but he's going a treat. So good to see him win. Did you see Assassinator get away from the stand? Never seen anything like it!!

[KTQ]

Genuine Excuse has already had 20 starts this season, including a bunch of meetings where she's raced twice (which I didn't think you could even do)

http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/top20/index.cfm/starters/all/sort/starts/seasonId/501?d=18112017

[KTQ]

Waikiki Beach sold to the US with a few others

https://theinformant.co.nz/website/News/single_news/Waikiki-Beach-sold-to-American-interests/BE8973

[KTQ]

A while back I brought up the large amount of war related named 2year olds in WA. Just checked the Byford trial fields and saw the attached. Might not be able to see it on desktop as it's a phone screen shot but it interested me:

Billy Boeing, naval aviator, Roman aviator, bee seventeen, royal flight the names of horses in 2 x 5 horse trials

[aussiebreno]

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35618

How could you get the year of Baltic Eagles victory so wrong?

[KTQ]

Robert Watson has bred 98 Perth inter dominion winners??

[Messenger]

They didn't say 'Inter' winners Katie

[Fan of Jate]

wow...that is a hell of a lot of "Inters" winners. Might have to rub up next to R.Watson to get some luck.

[Messenger]

With the longshots getting up in R3 at Shep tonight we had a jackpot for the First Four
It is amazing how the lure of a $3k start to the pool can see R4's First Four pool balloon out to nearly $21k

[Messenger]

Anybody else take their eye off the ball and like me not realize that tonight is our Metro meet for the week in Vic

[Messenger]

A little off track here but it must have felt similar to a NZ invasion at Launceston last Sunday when Emma Stewart came to town and won 4 of the 6 races she contested
Why would Vic's leading stable be picking off $7800 races? (and of course the $20k Cup) I imagine it did however constitute a big event. Did you go Pat?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=LN031217

[Fan of Jate]

Yes I did go Kev and thanks for bringing that up, I was ...... off about that approach to the racing at launceston from "the big end of town". I didn't want to appear to be a whinger regarding this issue especially as they had Major Secret come down and take out the cup winning by 21 metres, starting at $1.10 and beating a couple of old ex Victorian claimers. This does nothing for the local competition in my opinion and the harness industry is struggling down here.

I dont know one person who went to watch Major Secret race. I was extremely tempted to approach the 2 legends and tell them to piss off back to the 10 race meetings a week in Victoria and across the border in NSW. But we do see this happen time and time again from Albany to Burnie and the end result is the forcing out the smaller trainer and owners. Tasmania did have a local resident rule either 3 months or 3 starts for a few races at one stage but I have not seen it applied this year. I don't know what the answer is but walking through the stables and looking at local owners and trainers, the disappointment was palpable.

[Fan of Jate]

Looks like the meeting has been cancelled Kev.

[Messenger]

It is now going to be part of a Big Monday at Melton - it is going to be a day meeting before the scheduled night meeting

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=JX111217&fromstate=vic

NB The times in this link are wrong

[Messenger]

19 races spread over the 2 meets at Melton tomorrow
Greg Sugars has a drive in the first at 12.47 and one in the last at 10.40 and six in between

[teecee]

Can anybody recall a dead heat for FIRST in a Group ONE race as witnessed in the "Queen of Hearts at Auckland last night??

[Danno]

Can anybody recall a dead heat for FIRST in a Group ONE race as witnessed in the "Queen of Hearts at Auckland last night??

Yes mate and in NZ, recall interdominion final Jay R and Robin Dundee 1965.... I was 7 at the time but wasn't there to watch it!

[Messenger]

A BIG Birthday coming up this year Dan :D

[teecee]

Yes mate and in NZ, recall interdominion final Jay R and Robin Dundee 1965.... I was 7 at the time but wasn't there to watch it!

I should have known that !!!

[Danno]

A BIG Birthday coming up this year Dan :D

Yes mate, not there yet, but late Feb, I think I will have a couple to mark the milestone.

[Danno]

I should have known that !!!

Reckon so Tony, but some sick minded little twirp who has a "bent" for these things, just lobbed straight on it!!

[Messenger]

I see the following story about an equine artist on HRA

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35809

But if you click on her link you don't find any harness prints such as those found in the story

If you are after gallops prints, here is an artist I like

https://www.jacquelinestanhopefineart.com/flat-racing/

[KTQ]

I see the following story about an equine artist on HRA

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=35809

But if you click on her link you don't find any harness prints such as those found in the story

If you are after gallops prints, here is an artist I like

https://www.jacquelinestanhopefineart.com/flat-racing/

I think the standardbreds would be commission based only. Thought of getting my dad one made of one of his but at $2200, may need to win a few more with my My Little Ponies.

[Messenger]

Andy Gath only took 3 to Kilmore last night for Kate to drive but that is all they needed to get 3 favourites home

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI291217&ms=vic

[Messenger]

Tonight was the night to be backing the Justices.
Carload trained by John wins an M0 at $25.30 (outsider of the field)
Carnera trained and driven by Lance wins a TM0 at $20.40
Hickstead trained and driven by John wins an M1 at $24.20

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR301217&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

St Arnaud is an excellent viewing track. I have stopped in before but this is my first race day here. A small track with a raised club room and stand, parking on the fence the entire span of the bottom bend and even a lookout in the back straight for another vantage point. A nice green footy ground inside the perimeter also adds to the aesthetics.

If it wasn't for the lack of camber on the bends I could imagine a lot more meets here - I don't know whether the football club would agree to cambering the bottom bend but I can't see how doing the top bend would worry anyone

New year's eve is no doubt a busy Sky day but near on 40 min between races is too long if you are not punting or with a party of people

Lucky to strike such a cracker of a day but I would certainly recommend St A to everybody

[Fan of Jate]

I attended Carrick speedway (near Launceston) yesterday..a twilight meeting. No camber on the bends there either and only has about 6 races a year, a good sized track. The racing was competitive although a 4 goal breeze was hanging around. The crowd was good, plenty of food, some music and a good atmosphere. A lot of small time punters as well. Free entry and you can also wander around and have a look in the horse stabling area. Had to smile at the back-up mobile gate which was attached to an old statesman in "reasonable" condition. A great day.

[David Martin]

Hi Kevin and Pat,


I thought I would add to this positive thread with a comment on some of Victoria's small clubs that I've attended in the last 12 months. In particular, I had a great time at the Birchip and Wangarratta Cups which were both very well attended. These tracks and many others add so much to our sport, with a great family friendly atmosphere, BBQs, vanilla slices, kids attractions, and up-close racing action, etc., etc..


Cheers, David

[Messenger]

Quadentate has the first of his progeny going around in R4 at Geelong tonight - Implode

What do you mean you have never heard of sire Quadentate!

He must have been a cheeky 2yo (before gelded) and sired 2

He is by It Is I and is still going around in SA
He won a Gp2 Southern Cross as a 3yo ($30k to winner)
and an M0 at Melton so as a sire he may not have been shooting blanks

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE030118&fromstate=vic#GEC03011804

[KTQ]

I saw this in Twitter and wanted to check it myself. Soho Tribeca has been transferred to Bryan Cousins. Few people hinting that owner and Prentice are still on good terms and stewards will let us know what is up in due time but I'm very curious...

826


Edit: Reason being a Swab inquiry

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-west-australian/20180105/282041917517056

[KTQ]

There are 11 war-related named 2 year olds in WA this season. War Club, Fight Song, The War Nurse, Billy Boeing (maybe a stretch), Bee Seventeen, Enemy Lines, Naval Aviator, Ultimate Major, Allwood Peacemaker, Beach Landing and Warriors Code. I thought that was interesting

Naval Aviator, Beach Landing, Fight Song, Bee Seventeen, Bailey Major, Roman Aviator and Nuclear Poker are all in one 3yo race today at Pinjarra��


A race the other day had Unexpected Visitor, Person of Interest, Mary of Denmark, My Girl Wylene, Flying Scotsman and Circus Runaway. I love name themes

[Messenger]

Good one Katie. I can see you forgetting Form and becoming a Names punter (in your old age)

[Messenger]

Another Cup worth $30k+ with 7 starters - Hamilton on Sunday

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HM140118&fromstate=vic#HMC14011801

[Messenger]

Are QLD claimers tougher than VIC claimers?
Carson Millar's claiming of Mach Cruiser on Oct 27 is now looking inspired
The 10yo won an M1-2 at Melton tonight to make it 6 wins, 1 second, 1 third and 1 fourth since the claim for over $32k in prizemoney

[Fan of Jate]

Steve Telfer at Cambridge race 2 trained all horses in the race, is he trying to catch up to Ben Yole in Tasmania? Only difference is that the horses in Telfer's barn are a very handy lot indeed.

https://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/011209rs.htm

[Messenger]

What caused the abandonment of Shep before the Cup?

[Amlin]

What caused the abandonment of Shep before the Cup?

Some lights went out, unable to be repaired in time

[arlington]

Some lights went out, unable to be repaired in time

From Shepparton HRC

Huge disappointment for all at Shepparton tonight when an electrical fault brought the Neatline Homes Shepparton Gold Cup meeting to an abrupt halt. That fault resulted in one of the light poles catching fire.
Stewards had no option other than to abandon the meeting when the electrical contractors advised the issue would take a minimum 2 hours to repair with no guarantee of a good outcome.
The club appreciates the understanding from industry participants and those who were in attendance.

The previous race was able to be run with just enough daylight
https://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=VIC&raceCode=SPC13011803

[Messenger]

The Stewart stable cleaned up in SA last night, to add to its TAS plundering a month ago. At least they only took the big 2 and left the rest to the locals

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GD130118

[Mighty Atom]

The Stewart stable, the All-Stars stable? These are questions I can't answer.831

[KTQ]

Somebeachsomewhere was put down due to his cancer overnight. What a terrible year for stallions. RIP big fellow

[Messenger]

Hot weather policy tomorrow, starting before 11am and finishing around 3pm at Cobram

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CO180118&fromstate=vic

[Toohard]

Trivia(l) questions.

Went to Wedderburn Cup yesterday. Told it the 2nd oldest (continuous) trotting club in Australia. Hot and humid but great day out. Being one who loves talking to people who've been about longer than me and wandering old racetracks, I liked the collection of pics on the wall.

So here's some trivia questions... (Noel Ridge will know all the answers already).. Google may help with 1....

1. Wedderburn the 2nd oldest trotting club in Australia was told yesterday. Which club is Australia's oldest continuous trotting club?

2. Gyressa won the Wedderburn Cup in 1978 as per pic. Kev mentioned her in a post in 2014 on here re Bettor Downunder. What is her other 'Claim to Fame' ?

3. Who is the gentleman (was a Wedderburn resident) in the other picture?

[Beltane]

Question 1 - Isn't Google wonderful:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/boort-celebrates-125-years-of-harness-racing/

[Beltane]

Q2. Maori's Idol started in a pacer's race at Maryborough, but finished runner up, beaten by Gyressa.

[Adaptor]

Hi Paul
The man in the hat with the ever present roll your own in the corner of his mouth is Korong Vale's own Jack Hargreaves.

Trainer driver of Coneeda, Faye Maree, Alverly, Val Curl, Dashing McTavish and the mighty Miracle Mile (See pic below) , Bendigo Cup winner and USA winner, Adaptor.

Jack was also a great supporter (and critic) of the now extinct Korong Vale Football Club.
Training couldn't start until Jack had positioned his ute, complete with the necessary refreshments close to the fence beside the footy clubrooms.
He was from there able to pass on his wisdom and opinions to the coach (me) , before and during, and even after training.

Jack was terribly injured in a race fall at Nyah, but after a long period in hospital and rehab in Melbourne taught himself to walk with the assistance of his horse walking machine, and communicate with the aid of his note-pad. He moved to Wedderburn and lived overlooking the track where he could "supervise others training " from his wheel chair..either sitting or standing.

[Greg Hando]

Today at Banksown 6 races and all were won by fillies or mares.

[Messenger]

Is this VIC's first 2yo race of the season?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE240118&fromstate=vic#GEC24011807

(Confirmed on reading the Form analysis)

Going purely on their dams (& broodmare form) - I will go for 5&6

[Toohard]

Q2. Maori's Idol started in a pacer's race at Maryborough, but finished runner up, beaten by Gyressa.


Too good and 100% correct Steve. I'm told it was the race before Maori's Idols began his 24 win unbeaten streak. Also told he should have won that day at Maryborough :D:D

[Toohard]

Hi Paul
The man in the hat with the ever present roll your own in the corner of his mouth is Korong Vale's own Jack Hargreaves.

Trainer driver of Coneeda, Faye Maree, Alverly, Val Curl, Dashing McTavish and the mighty Miracle Mile (See pic below) , Bendigo Cup winner and USA winner, Adaptor.

Jack was also a great supporter (and critic) of the now extinct Korong Vale Football Club.
Training couldn't start until Jack had positioned his ute, complete with the necessary refreshments close to the fence beside the footy clubrooms.
He was from there able to pass on his wisdom and opinions to the coach (me) , before and during, and even after training.

Jack was terribly injured in a race fall at Nyah, but after a long period in hospital and rehab in Melbourne taught himself to walk with the assistance of his horse walking machine, and communicate with the aid of his note-pad. He moved to Wedderburn and lived overlooking the track where he could "supervise others training " from his wheel chair..either sitting or standing.

I knew you'd know Noel! The pic was taken at Horsham trots (wording under it says).

[Mighty Atom]

Hi Paul
The man in the hat with the ever present roll your own in the corner of his mouth is Korong Vale's own Jack Hargreaves.

Trainer driver of Coneeda, Faye Maree, Alverly, Val Curl, Dashing McTavish and the mighty Miracle Mile (See pic below) , Bendigo Cup winner and USA winner, Adaptor.

Jack was also a great supporter (and critic) of the now extinct Korong Vale Football Club.
Training couldn't start until Jack had positioned his ute, complete with the necessary refreshments close to the fence beside the footy clubrooms.
He was from there able to pass on his wisdom and opinions to the coach (me) , before and during, and even after training.

Jack was terribly injured in a race fall at Nyah, but after a long period in hospital and rehab in Melbourne taught himself to walk with the assistance of his horse walking machine, and communicate with the aid of his note-pad. He moved to Wedderburn and lived overlooking the track where he could "supervise others training " from his wheel chair..either sitting or standing.

Hi Noel,
Coneeda, second in the 1967 Interdominion final to Binshaw when trained by Joe Petricevich and driven by Fred Kersley jnr, I presume it is the same horse.

[Adaptor]

Hi Noel,
Coneeda, second in the 1967 Interdominion final to Binshaw when trained by Joe Petricevich and driven by Fred Kersley jnr, I presume it is the same horse.

It is Rod. Coneeda ( Convivial- Austin Lass by New Derby).
Greg Hargreaves, the track vet at many country Victorian venues relates that Jack and Ken (Greg's father) took 6yo Coneeda and his 7 yo "aunt" Faye Maree to Adelaide for the 1963 Interdominions. at Wayville.
Not bad for a country railway worker, and a farmer.
Neither made the final won by Cardigan Bay, but I think Coneeda was placed in the consolation.

Coneeda was purchased by WA interests and went on to race in Perth, and finish second to Binshaw 1967 Inter Dominion ( as a 10yo) , and then was sold to the USA.

[teecee]

For your black Books...

https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news-and-events/latest-news/6410-southland-s-next-big-thing-sold-to-aussie

[aussiebreno]

Last night at Leeton race 5 the winners colours were an awfully lot like B P Hancocks. Was a blast from the past seeing those colours, especially so in the Riverina.

[Messenger]

No early start under the heat policy at Charlton today - maybe they knew it would already be 35 by midday (so what would be the point) and they are hoping for the change to come early. First isn't until 1.52pm, it could be 37+
(It sure put me off making the drive)

[Messenger]

Waiting for Charlton on Sky, I just saw a race from Te Teko in NZ

Teecee, a question - does the countryside go brown anywhere in NZ?

[Messenger]

No early start under the heat policy at Charlton today - maybe they knew it would already be 35 by midday (so what would be the point) and they are hoping for the change to come early. First isn't until 1.52pm, it could be 37+
(It sure put me off making the drive)

Worked - Races 5,6,7 got the cool change

[teecee]

Waiting for Charlton on Sky, I just saw a race from Te Teko in NZ

Teecee, a question - does the countryside go brown anywhere in NZ?

Yes Kev it sure does. We are getting all your heat here with temps in the mid to high 30;s The coldest part of NZ at the bottom of the south is getting continual 30 plus days an Aussie humidity nights. Not what we are used to. Even the West Coast of the south island is this year in an official drought. The wettest, greenest place over here.
If you see green anywhere here at the moment it's probably a dairy farm with 24/7 irrigators.

[KTQ]

Aerodyne Fella - breaks his maiden at start 95. Pays his feedbill every week but the owners are more patient than I

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MG020218#MGC02021809

[Messenger]

Thanks for that Katie, I wondered where the old 'fella' had got to

[KTQ]

You all must be getting an idea about how I love themes in horse names and here's another. Byford Trial yesterday

Peewee elliot
SmallhorseBigheart
Thunder Jolt
Lucky sensation
Bettor Be a believer
Allwood P(e)acemaker

One tiny horse's story about his abnormally enlarged heart and how a freak thunderstorm and belief in miracles brought him back to life

[arlington]

From HRA

Meritorious Service Award Annulled
06 February 2018

The Harness Racing Australia (HRA) Honours Committee today approved a recommendation to annul the Meritorious Service Award of Mr Larry Eastman.

Mr Eastman was presented the prestigious national award in 2015, but having been found guilty of numerous corrupt conduct charges in the Bendigo Magistrates Court and sentenced late last month, he was no longer considered suitable to sit alongside the names of previous or future award recipients..

[Showgrounds]

I suppose that is a positive. If closing the stable door after the horse has bolted is a positive.

Due diligence?

[KTQ]

Gary Hall Snr had 5 starters for 4 wins and a 2nd at Pinjarra yesterday. Pretty good results. He recently got our boy Jack Mac's half bro, which was one of the winners

[Messenger]

A bit late with this one (I am travelling) but it deserves a mention
I cannot remember when I last saw a $6.10 fav at the trots - see R10 Melton last night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX120218&ms=vic

[aussiebreno]

A bit late with this one (I am travelling) but it deserves a mention
I cannot remember when I last saw a $6.10 fav at the trots - see R10 Melton last night

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX120218&ms=vic
Fields of Kyvalley was declared a non runner
He was favourite and the prices shown dont reflect the deductions for him being a non runner.

[Messenger]

Thanks Brendan - that explains it

[KTQ]

Does Mick Lombardo still breed/own at all?

[Danno]

fair dinkum, you wouldn't have seen these two in the same race in Oz....Waikiki Beach and Hollywood Sign.

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=36410

[aussiebreno]

fair dinkum, you wouldn't have seen these two in the same race in Oz....Waikiki Beach and Hollywood Sign.

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=36410
On first glance you wouldn't think so, but they both left Australia as M1s.

[Danno]

On first glance you wouldn't think so, but they both left Australia as M1s.

Once again, you are 100% correct Brenno but look a bit deeper than that, vastly different records and a massive gap in the class of horse they both met.

[aussiebreno]

Once again, you are 100% correct Brenno but look a bit deeper than that, vastly different records and a massive gap in the class of horse they both met.
No doubt Waikiki Beach the far superior horse with the far superior record. However had Hollywood Sign stayed in Australia who is to say he wouldn't have been in the M1 on 14/01/17 that Waikiki Beach ran 3rd in. Or even in a weirder anomaly Hollywood Sign may have won an extra one or two Metrop races so could have even hypothetically lined up in the higher class race than Waikiki Beach that night! Despite the massive difference in prizemoney and ability it was possible they could have been in the same race!

[Messenger]

NZers going average tonight so far (R2, 4 & 5)

[arlington]

Got to love the work of the back up ute at Bankstown last week. :D
Fast forward to about 2:15 https://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/trotstv/replays/34115

[Danno]

Stumbled across this great story,

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goes-boom-rutherglens-just-wild-about-harry/

great yarn I thought.

[Yabbie]

There was another great story at Terang Cup on Saturday night.
Archduke Joseph was an 84 start maiden prior to Saturday night. Driven perfectly by Michael Bellman, he ran the field off their legs to win by 25.8 metres!
The crowd really appreciated the win and he got a rousing reception coming back to scale
Persistence ....

[Messenger]

Stumbled across this great story,

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/goes-boom-rutherglens-just-wild-about-harry/

great yarn I thought.

It is a beauty Dan

I noticed that Goes Boom was Nuke of Earl's last ever foal (only foal of 2013-14) and that he has won again

[Yabbie]

There was another great story at Terang Cup on Saturday night.
Archduke Joseph was an 84 start maiden prior to Saturday night. Driven perfectly by Michael Bellman, he ran the field off their legs to win by 25.8 metres!
The crowd really appreciated the win and he got a rousing reception coming back to scale
Persistence ....


https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/break-through-archduke-josephs-winning-joy/


there's now a story posted on Archduke Joseph ....

[Messenger]

It seems amazing to me that Call Me Hector could go around at $41 at Charlton today
He was coming off a win in his first start for nearly a year and as a 2yo he never started at those sort of odds when always racing in class races

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CH250218&fromstate=vic#CHC25021807

[Adaptor]

Just noticed the in-breeding of Young Nick Fraser winner of the second race at Mildura tonight.

2x2 to Fake Left.

By Island Tiger, a son of Fake Left, from Family Portrait a daughter of Fake Left

[Messenger]

Anybody watching Maryborough harness today would notice hundreds of motor homes inside the track
The race names include the words: Rovers, Explorers, Nomads, Wanderers, ...

Does anybody know whether this all due to the Vintage Motorbikes event held on this long weekend?

[Messenger]

Am I right in thinking that Gavin Lang is starting to train a few more?

[PremiumEdition]

My call is Thorate, even though it was not in Alexandra park

[Messenger]

Whoever is supposed to be typing up the Geelong results tonight must be watching the Commonwealth Games as we seem to be on a 2hr delay

[aussiebreno]

Not one favourite on the 9 race card won at Wagga today.

[Messenger]

5 second faves so hopefully not too many down in the dumps
I noticed there were only 3 odds on pops with none very short.

Down here, Hamilton had Four $1.30 faves - thankfully 3 won

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=WW130418&ms=NSW

[arlington]

Am I right in thinking that Gavin Lang is starting to train a few more?

Including Hectorjayjay.

[Excursion]

Great to see 40 Saturday night meetings scheduled for Melton 2018/19 season. Commonsense prevails. It is a nightmare driving to Melton from the northeastern suburbs peak hour Friday night. Saturday night is the night to showcase the sport. It allows us all to get to Melton easily no matter where in the state you might live. Good job David Martin.

[David Martin]

Great to see 40 Saturday night meetings scheduled for Melton 2018/19 season. Commonsense prevails. It is a nightmare driving to Melton from the northeastern suburbs peak hour Friday night. Saturday night is the night to showcase the sport. It allows us all to get to Melton easily no matter where in the state you might live. Good job David Martin.



Thanks David. That's been the constant feedback over the last 12 months regarding Melton and the need to have Saturday night there as our feature night. The chopping and changing of Fridays/Saturdays at Melton isn't helpful.

[Messenger]

With a scratching now only 6 starters in the Horsham Cup tomorrow.
It has moved to April this year and it has been reduced to $50k from $70k

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HS220418&fromstate=vic#HSC22041801

[Amlin]

With a scratching now only 6 starters in the Horsham Cup tomorrow.
It has moved to April this year and it has been reduced to $50k from $70k

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HS220418&fromstate=vic#HSC22041801

I believe I read/heard somewhere that the club has put the savings into top up of other races across the season. Not sure where similar savings made over recent years at two other major tracks went.

Several of these races run with less than eight starters this year. Aside from swallowing pride and returning these events to handicap conditions I hope something can be done for next season. Clubs dip into their own funds to help put these stakes on and deserve better than worrying if they are even going to get a field for their major race.

[aussiebreno]

It didn't get up but Race 4 Redcliffe, were the rest of them driving for Inciter or just a few bad drives? Inciter came in late and Lockton Art drifted.

[Messenger]

I can see why you might have a problem with Travelnfast's challenge Brendan but I can definitely say the leader and winner were not worried about Inciter

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=RE250418#REC25041808

[PremiumEdition]

I know that March and Cain had their charges dropped can anyone tell the situation on Shane Graham please ?

[Messenger]

Off the back of today’s announcement ($1M government funding), Harness Racing Victoria’s CEO David Martin confirmed that between 1 July 2018 and 30 June 2019, HRV would waive the registration fee for Victorian-bred foals from a Victorian mare and a Victorian standing stallion. During this same period, HRV will also reduce registration fees for foals from a Victorian mare by an interstate or overseas stallion.

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Trots-Media---Andrews-Government-announces--1million-investment-in-harness-racing

[aussiebreno]

Why are drivers restricted to the set drivers fee? Are some drivers who shall remain nameless really worth the same fee as G Lang, N Jack and C Alford? Should they be allowed to put a higher figure for their services? Could also lead to concession drivers getting more experience if they are deemed more value for money. Just a thought.

[Adaptor]

Why are drivers restricted to the set drivers fee? Are some drivers who shall remain nameless really worth the same fee as G Lang, N Jack and C Alford? Should they be allowed to put a higher figure for their services? Could also lead to concession drivers getting more experience if they are deemed more value for money. Just a thought.

Why do they get a set fee at all?

In the USA there is no basic fee paid to drivers.

How do USA harness drivers get paid?

Answer: Drivers get paid by commission—5 percent based on how much of the purse they win. If the purse is $20,000, the winning horse gets $10,000, and the winning driver gets $500. Purses are paid out at a percentage of 50-25-12-8-5, and drivers get 5 percent of those amounts. If, however, the horse earns no purse (finishes worse than fifth), the driver may get no money for his or her drive, although some jurisdictions do mandate the driver be paid at least $20 or $25. And, of course, the top often get additional compensation from the owner for winning the big races.

[Danno]

Why are drivers restricted to the set drivers fee? Are some drivers who shall remain nameless really worth the same fee as G Lang, N Jack and C Alford? Should they be allowed to put a higher figure for their services? Could also lead to concession drivers getting more experience if they are deemed more value for money. Just a thought.

Pretty sure the top shelf put a premium on their services that comes in differing forms, don't get me started on concession drivers Brendan, the longevity of the concession these days is an absolute farce. We have a couple of decent young fellas here that have driven over 100 winners and still get a concession, so as you would expect they are getting first chop at a lot of drives at each meeting while there is another 5 or 6 good young fellas that haven't had the same opportunities lucky to get a drive or two.


Danno's humble opinion is the whole thing needs a bloody good review under a decent microscope, too many young people being denied opportunities that are going to their brethren that really don't need it in the way it was originally devised.

[Richard prior]

Not really in my range of knowledge but a very good subject Breno, I’m thinking that Driver concessions should be structured along the lines of Apprentice Jockey concessions and after set amount of wins(say between 75 & 100) the concessions should cease, Maybe 75 would be a fair number so the younger brigade gets a fair shake and a bit of encouragement.

[aussiebreno]

Yole providing 10 of the runners in a 14 horse field Sunday at Hobart!

[Messenger]

Yole providing 10 of the runners in a 14 horse field Sunday at Hobart!

Amazingly only 4 horses have any ownership duplication (2×2) , so that makes 8 different lots of owners.

Yole cannot be convincing them all that they are winning chances so I am figuring he has plenty of owners just happy to have a horse going around

http://www.harness.org.au/form.cfm?mc=EH030618&rc=EHC03061808

[PremiumEdition]

Amazingly only 4 horses have any ownership duplication (2×2) , so that makes 8 different lots of owners.

Yole cannot be convincing them all that they are winning chances so I am figuring he has plenty of owners just happy to have a horse going around

http://www.harness.org.au/form.cfm?mc=EH030618&rc=EHC03061808

From my calculations Yole had 34 starters at Hobart last Saturday night.....one wonders how he gets them all there in the allocated time, must bring them by train !! lol

[Adaptor]

From my calculations Yole had 34 starters at Hobart last Saturday night.....one wonders how he gets them all there in the allocated time, must bring them by train !! lol

Looks like they are well organized:

www.http://yoleracing.com

We believe hard work breeds success and we have a great team behind us that helps is get there.

Thank you to Tim & Conor - our full time workers, and to all of our staff and drivers both at the stables and race day.

Our success is thanks to you!

Ben Yole - Lead trainer

Cat - (Ben's wife) Admin Manager

Tim Yole - Stable foreman - brother

Conor - Stable junior driver

Mark Yole - Track work driver - brother

Kevin- General stable hand

Karen - General stable hand

Chloe - General stable hand

Tony - General stable hand/track work driver/handyman

Johnny - Handyman/maintenance man/general stable hand

Rob - General stable hand & track work driver

Jake - Junior stable hand

Wayne - Truck Driver

Marlene - Colour & Number coordinator / stable hand

Louise - Admin

[Messenger]

I am always amazed at the miles harness participants notch up

Matthew Craven from Ecklin South (think South of Terang in Western Vic) has 7 in at Cranbourne tonight (the SE extreme of Melbourne) including Race 1 and Race 8

It takes well over 3hrs by car so he is looking at a 2pm to 2am day.

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR310518&fromstate=vic

[aussiebreno]

I am always amazed at the miles harness participants notch up

Matthew Craven from Ecklin South (think South of Terang in Western Vic) has 7 in at Cranbourne tonight (the SE extreme of Melbourne) including Race 1 and Race 8

It takes well over 3hrs by car so he is looking at a 2pm to 2am day.

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR310518&fromstate=vic

I guess when you have a 2yo debut like that it will make the drive easier. Wasn't looking like that out of the gate though!

2 wins for Craven so far and has fave in the last.

[Messenger]

It was a pretty impressive debut alright Breno

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR310518&fromstate=vic#CRC31051807

[Beltane]

Ben Yole is having a quiet night this Friday at Hobart, with only 19 starters, with 8 in the 5th race.

Already he has amassed 1,547 starters this season, nearly double that of the next best trainer, KerryAnn Turner (NSW) with 778.

Just incredible!

[Messenger]

Ben Yole is having a quiet night this Friday at Hobart, with only 19 starters, with 8 in the 5th race.

Already he has amassed 1,547 starters this season, nearly double that of the next best trainer, KerryAnn Turner (NSW) with 778.

Just incredible!

It is amazing when you consider Kerry Ann probably has 5 times as many meetings in her state

[Messenger]

I can't say that I always look at the Race conditions too closely and wondered if the following is something new and whether it is a common condition

* Restricted to trainers who trained no more than 25 winners in the 2016 / 2017 racing season.

[Dot]

I presume Kev it is related to this:

"There will be a total of 724 races programmed in May and June, of which 110 will be $5000 races with the $1000 bonus. Of these 110 $5000 races, three will be restricted to trainers who trained no more than two winners in the 2016/2017 racing season, and a further 44 will be restricted to trainers who trained no more than 25 winners in the 2016/17 racing season. For these (44+3) races, a trainer must have lodged a valid stable return at least one month prior to acceptance time for each race. The remaining 63 races at the $5000 stakemoney level and the other 614 races programmed in May and June 2018 will not have restrictions based on the number of winners in the 2016/17 racing season"

From trots.com.au, and elsewhere

[Messenger]

Thanks Dot - sounds good

[Messenger]

Pretty sure the top shelf put a premium on their services that comes in differing forms, don't get me started on concession drivers Brendan, the longevity of the concession these days is an absolute farce. We have a couple of decent young fellas here that have driven over 100 winners and still get a concession, so as you would expect they are getting first chop at a lot of drives at each meeting while there is another 5 or 6 good young fellas that haven't had the same opportunities lucky to get a drive or two.


Danno's humble opinion is the whole thing needs a bloody good review under a decent microscope, too many young people being denied opportunities that are going to their brethren that really don't need it in the way it was originally devised.

Coming in late here Dan but I was sent this

HRNSW provides for the following:
- A driver may claim a concession for (the term) five years from attainment of an initial B Grade Drivers Licence or the driver reaches the age of 23, whichever is the latter. (The term will end at the conclusion of the racing season with respect to each of the above scenarios.)
- A driver may claim a concession until he/she has driven 250 winners.
- Drivers who have not driven 50 winners during "the Term" may apply for an extension. Should a driver not win 50 races during the Term then they will receive a two year Term Extension.
The Term Extension will end upon whichever of the following occurs first: a) a driver wins the 50th race of their career b) at the conclusion of the 2nd racing season of the Term Extension

A 4th and 5th year seems very generous for some who have started driving 100 winners by their 3rd year

[Greg Hando]

Bling It On retired he was a nice little horse

[aussiebreno]

My understanding is HRNSW make the fields for the open class races at Menangle based on noms received. May be an explanation for it but that doesnt make it right that Ultimate Art didnt get a start in the feature.

[Messenger]

Philadelphia Man returning as a late 9yo after more than 2½ yrs off (he has had 2yrs off before)

[Messenger]

Having its 24th start for its 6th trainer (a family connection to the owner had 2 goes) Always Flashing won R1 at Melton today by 44m
Do you think he might stay in the McDonough stable now?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX130618&fromstate=vic#MXB13061810

[Dot]

RWWA trialing increased gate speed at despatch point to test for a reduction in gallopers in the score up and after the start.

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=37483

Curious does anyone know what the despatch speed is in other states, and if this should be uniform or adjusted for the track? Whilst a reduction in gallopers is obviously highly desirable I am thinking the increased speed would also see an increasing advantage to being drawn an inside gate, and if the data obtained will/should also be analysed for this.

[Messenger]

Races 7 & 8 from Shep last night are well worth a look

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP150618&fromstate=vic#SPC15061803

[Messenger]

I was supposed to go to Horsham trots today but after leaving a plug in the sink of the upstairs bathroom last night AND the tap 'running', I have spent all day ripping up carpet and drying floors etc etc

Then if things couldn't get any worse I just checked out the results
The following snip was an email from a couple of days ago and would have compelled me to have a little flutter

A 'running' double would have to be it

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HS170618&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

There are 11 races at Maryborough today with the first starting at 11.11 !
There is only one number 11 going around for the day
R10 No.11 Myrtle Vale is my omen tip (& has form) for the meet :D

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH210618&fromstate=vic#MHC21061808

[Greg Hando]

And got the bickies Kev albeit at $1.40.

[Messenger]

And got the bickies Kev albeit at $1.40.

Late scratching of the favourite in what was only ever going to be a 2 horse race, made her super short Greg

[David Martin]

Hi everyone,


In a separate forum, and possibly in this one, HRV have been asked to provide a live list of concession drivers (as opposed to just publishing it in the Harness Racers). Fo those interested, please refer to the list now available at:


https://www.thetrots.com.au/for-participants/information/concession-drivers/


Cheers, David

[Messenger]

I reckon it has been a while since Geelong had a meet with 94 runners

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE280618&fromstate=vic

[Amlin]

https://youtu.be/QZ66byYjQiM

TV news story from the Gippsland Harness Training Centre

[Messenger]

Having its 24th start for its 6th trainer (a family connection to the owner had 2 goes) Always Flashing won R1 at Melton today by 44m
Do you think he might stay in the McDonough stable now?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX130618&fromstate=vic#MXB13061810

I think Craig Rail missed this run (and subsequent 2nd win) as he did not include him in his Form Analysis or first 7 picks for R1 at Cranbourne tonight.
The fields market had him at 8/1 - he paid 2/1

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR010718&fromstate=vic

[Adaptor]

16 Winners This Week for Bendigo District Trainers/Drivers

Tuesday, Bendigo (3)
Kyvalley Finn, Chris Svanosio T/D
Sunofatrump, Paul Campbell T
Dixieroselea, Shaun McNaulty (T) Chris Svanosio D

Thursday, Geelong (2)
Myrtle Vale, Ivan Collison T
Garshaway, Graeme McDermott, T

Thursday, Charlton (4)
Aint No Lombo, Dylan Marshall T
Downtown Miss, David Van Ryn T, Haydon Gray D
Todd Matthews D, Gone And Forgotten
Cocosfella, David Van Ryn T, Haydon Gray D

Friday, Mildura (4)
Ellen Tormey D,
Night Safari
Murranji Track
Markleigh Caz
Smynic

Saturday, Kilmore (3)
Animated, Graeme Dalton T, Ross Graham, D
Bonus Play, Bruce Morgan T
Silent Growl,, Bruce Morgan T

[Messenger]

I wonder whether 3yo Shadow Chevron had a change of ownership or simply a change of trainer - he certainly found another leg and was only 0.7 sec outside the Shep Tk Rec when recording his first win today

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP040718&fromstate=vic#SPC04071807

Watch the run - he certainly didn't have the easiest of runs and yet bolted it in

[aussiebreno]

I wonder whether 3yo Shadow Chevron had a change of ownership or simply a change of trainer - he certainly found another leg and was only 0.7 sec outside the Shep Tk Rec when recording his first win today

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP040718&fromstate=vic#SPC04071807

Watch the run - he certainly didn't have the easiest of runs and yet bolted it in
My guess is same owners. I think Pitt is the grandson of the horses former trainer Norm Diebert. The owners listed by HRA are all from around Wagga/Riverina near where the horse was previously trained at Leeton.

[Richard prior]

Correct Breno, Norm’s grandson

[Messenger]

I reckon Noel might be in his museum under the horse rugs at Bendigo tonight

At 6pm it was only 4.8° and felt like 1.8° :(

[Adaptor]

I reckon Noel might be in his museum under the horse rugs at Bendigo tonight

At 6pm it was only 4.8° and felt like 1.8° :(

It was bitterly cold!
Rugs were great:
Knight Pistols Harley Davidson Trot winning rug from Norway is a lot warmer than True Roman’s Interdominion Rug!

[halfyourluck]

For the interest of anyone with one of these units, there is a message on their website which says that

"Magic Breed ceased trading on 30th June,2018.
All repairs & servicing will now be attended to by the manufacturer of the product."

I have the address and contact details for that manufacturer.

Is it OK to post those details here?

[Messenger]

It would be appreciated Graeme and I will then make it a thread on the Breeding forum so that it is easier for people to find

This has now been done folks so if you own one of these alarms jot down the info now found in the Breeding forum - thanks Graeme

[Messenger]

I noticed a 3yo first starter at Hamilton is from Princess Cassi. The mare's name is ringing a bell with me - Richard? Wayne?

[Messenger]

2yo Heir To Zanzibar raced in the 8pm at Kilmore last night and then in the 10.30pm at Mildura tonight

A car might do the trip in under 6hrs but not with a float behind

These were his 3rd and 4th ever starts. Why would you ask that of a 2yo?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI250718&ms=vic#KIC25071806

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ML260718&fromstate=vic#MLC26071808

[Messenger]

Intransit racing at Melton tonight Rich!

He is a warhorse - not had a spell for well over 2yrs

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX280718&fromstate=vic#MXM28071802

[Messenger]

Intransit racing at Melton tonight Rich!

He is a warhorse - not had a spell for well over 2yrs

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX280718&fromstate=vic#MXM28071802

and WINS easily

[Richard prior]

Away on a short holiday at the moment and had $50 on Intransit at 10/1 fixed odds, Told my buddy we would go halves and got the chocolates lol

[Messenger]

I reckon the breeder deserves more :D

[Richard prior]

I agree Kev lol

[Beltane]

Tasmanian trainer, Ben Yole has now cracked the 2,000 barrier for starters this season and is #1 in Australia.

Currently sitting on 2,007, which is quite an amazing statistic when compared to the rest of the Tassie training tier!

[Messenger]

When you consider how few races/meets they have it is an incredible number

He could become the SOLE trainer for the state with TasHR overseeing operations as a way of maximizing integrity :D

[Mighty Atom]

As I have said before why Western Australian horses bother to go to that s......e state of Victoria to race is beyond me. I'm Rockaria barrier 7, Mandy Joan barrier 7, Our Angel of Harlem barrier 11 and now barrier 7 in the 3-year-old fillies final. Far too much of a coincidence to be true. "Visitors draw'' a euphemism for rigged draws.

[Yabbie]

They were done live at the track on Saturday night and connections drew them - not possible to be rigged!

[Messenger]

I am determined to get to a Terang meet sometime soon and if not for the weather (I fancy a balmy evening meet - woose) tonight would have been the night

The time between races tonight is
29min 26 28 26 30 30

I know this is only really relevant to those attending but there are some meets nowadays where you could add 10 minutes to those gaps thus elongating the meet by an hour

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=TE210818&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

An 11yo and a 10yo scored a running double at Maryborough today

11yo Life Long Voyage has been just that for the Drechslers recording his 5th win in his 172nd start. The Drechslers patience was evident from the get go as it took LLV 66 starts to record his first win

10yo Leakys Smokin was having only his 48th start today as he was a late starter and he has the impressive record of 48-9-6-5

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH220818&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

First meet of the season at Melton tonight - very numerical
10 races
4 winners Gavin Lang
3 winners Kate Gath
2 winners Chris Alford
1 winner David Murphy

[KTQ]

I've been looking out for this for a while and finally it happened, albeit with a small field.

Horses in Race 6 at GP finished in starting odds order. $1.30 - $5.30 - $8.00 - $21.20 - $30.40 - $49.70

[Messenger]

I was looking at Custom Number Plates and saw that there is a VIC Harness Racing option.
Unfortunately it is maybe the worst custom plate I have seen
It is almost impossible to see the harness horse.
A smaller pic between the number and letters would have worked much better and maybe black on white

[Messenger]

While on the Number Plates - I discovered that you cannot have the plate PINTO in Victoria as it is considered 'inappropriate' - apparently they check the Urban dictionary which has some whacko meanings for pinto, not one of them being a horse.

I wonder what they would make of 3yo first starter 'All Whitey Then' at Horsham tomorrow
The grey will probably be all white one day - his dam is Wrong Comment and her dam was Racist

[Messenger]

Kima Frenning has become very popular.
Tonight she came within a whisker of driving a treble for 3 different trainers (none of them the Aiken stable)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX220918&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

Kima Frenning has become very popular.
Tonight she came within a whisker of driving a treble for 3 different trainers (none of them the Aiken stable)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX220918&fromstate=vic

I just remembered that there are a couple of popular drivers not allowed to drive at the minute

[Messenger]

Gee it is nice if you have a good mare.
PBD/Sex has seen Makes Every Scents (winner of R6 at Kilmore tonight) draw FR1 FIVE times in her last 8 starts!

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI270918&fromstate=vic#KIC27091802

[Messenger]

Why does David Thorn make a 7hr (14hr return) trip from Menangle to Shepp for one C0 race?
Is he going to the Grand Final? ;)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP280918&fromstate=vic#SPC28091805

[Dot]

Well he may be going to the Grand Final, and the Vicbred bonus would help pay for the tickets!

[Messenger]

Oops I didn't look at that - with those NZ starts I was thinking he was just another NZ import

[Messenger]

If you fancy a 'sneaky' double
At Maryborough on Monday
R6 Defence Got Jumped
R8 Daddy Who

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH011018&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

An 'El Cheapo' metro meet at Melton on Saturday

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX201018&fromstate=vic

Luckily we have the $30k Swan Hill Cup tonight - it would seem that the above is how it is funded nowadays

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=FD191018&fromstate=vic#FDC19101801

[Messenger]

Whats In The Esky had been an honest performer but only won 1 of 29 starts before turning 4
Since turning 4 he has won 4 in a row and tonight he rated 1.53.6 in a C1 at Bendigo
Then again Konan set the Tk Rec at 1.52.0 as an early 3yo in a C0

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN301018#BNC30101803

[Amlin]

Disappointing numbers for Yarra Valley on Melb Cup Day.

[Messenger]

The meeting is over but strangely the results for Races 2 & 3 at Ballarat are not up on HRV/HRA (you can find them on TAB etc)

[KTQ]

A 12 and a 13 yo won at Northam today. Good to see the old guys bringing in the moolah

[Messenger]

General Admittance $89 for the Melbourne Cup - the InterDom is only $15

[Showgrounds]

General Admittance $89 for the Melbourne Cup - the InterDom is only $15

And the lemmings fronted up with 89 bucks in hand; sure to pocket the $15 when the ID comes around. Being seen to be a bit of a lair is far more important these days than watching high quality racing.

It will be interesting to learn the attendance at the NZ Cup at Addington next Tuesday. The NZMTC seems to be able to attract all of the above qualities on their big day.

[KTQ]

Race at GP last night had Cracka Tinny, One For Dave andMe and I'm Drinkindoubles.

[Messenger]

I hope they were all swabbed ;)

[Messenger]

It is a Friday and there is no harness and no gallops racing in Victoria

(both tonight only)

[Messenger]

Greg Baum has stooped to a new low in the pretentious drivel he writes in The Age. It is time The Age surveyed their readers and found out who they appreciate and who they avoid

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/the-big-shot-and-the-last-shot-20181109-p50f2i.html

[Showgrounds]

Another example of Fairfax's "quality journalism".

And Fairfax journos wonder why nobody buys there newspapers.

[Amlin]

The brilliant Sinbad Bay passed away over the week at 34 years of age

[Showgrounds]

Wow. Thought he would have passed away long ago, Kyle. Now I am REALLY feeling my age. Came from a virtually unheard of horse (outside of Tasmania) as a 4yo and really set the world on fire. Despite dodgy legs, he was still killing it as at 11 years.

A really wonderful horse. A life well lived old fella. Thanks for the memories.

[Dot]

First ever TAB monte at Alexandra Park last night. 2nd highest turnover of the night and according to one regular attendee the most engaged the crowd had been all year apart from the race with Chicago Bull


NB perhaps should be in SSS thread. The Bulls race was a Standing Start. For the long term benefit of the industry we need to ensure Trans Tasman Rivalry continues, and part of that is standing starts.

[gutwagon]

Why do HRV allow people facing charges for supplying class b drugs to feature in media promotions?
I understand that people are innocent until proven guilty but our sports image should be better protected and these people avoided until they are cleared.

[Messenger]

Do we really need our horses wearing nose strips :rolleyes:

[KTQ]

Horses really do break your heart. Our best boy Jack Mac broke his peddle bone in a race Friday at GP, just one week out from the $200k Golden Nugget. We will never ever ever get another like him. No matter the breeding. No matter the buying. He was our only one.



You really do just question everything in times like this. Do you just abuse your horses and squeeze every cent out of them regardless of risk of injuries, or be kind and careful resting them at the first sign of a sniffle and they still get serious injuries?!?

[eliteblood]

Horses really do break your heart. Our best boy Jack Mac broke his peddle bone in a race Friday at GP, just one week out from the $200k Golden Nugget. We will never ever ever get another like him. No matter the breeding. No matter the buying. He was our only one.



You really do just question everything in times like this. Do you just abuse your horses and squeeze every cent out of them regardless of risk of injuries, or be kind and careful resting them at the first sign of a sniffle and they still get serious injuries?!?

Commiserations Katie. I hope he recovers fully and continues in the same vain when he gets back.

[Dot]

So sorry to read that Katie, it was hard not to fear the worst when he dipped at the 250m, so brave to finish the race as he did. And that bravery should stand him in good stead for his recovery.

It feels now like there will never be another Jack Mac for the family Katie, but that’s something that can never be said for certain. That’s why we all breed or buy or get up in the mornings to work horses because we never know when that good one is around the corner.

We should always do best by our horses but sometimes it isn’t enough and comes to nought be that on the track, losing a mare and/or foal during our efforts to breed, or sometimes just to the vagaries of nature when a horse is injured in the paddock or stable without apparent explanation.

[Showgrounds]

Feeling your pain Katie, truly tough luck.

Pretty well the reason I am no longer active in the game; a string of heartbreak with good horses breaking down. And worse.

I tried an alternative sport for a while, lighting a fire in an old fuel drum and feeding it $50 notes. Cost about the same as the horses but without the thrill. So I've still got a few old horses and the local vets reckon I am a great bloke.

Hopefully, time (and luck) will fix Jack.

[Messenger]

Commiserations Katie, wishing Jack a strong recovery

[arlington]

Chin up Katie. Think about a 100% recovery http://www.harnessracingforum.com/images/icons/icon14.png

[Messenger]

Have Ballarat got a sprint lane tonight?
The storm is just arriving
I am in Ballarat tonight but not allowed to go

[Dot]

No sprint lane

[Messenger]

Track Details and first line of race description in form guide say there IS

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All races back an hour

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HRV Stewards
HRV Stewards
@HRVinformer
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BALLARAT - Please note Sprint Lane is not in operation.

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Thanks Dot, well Track Details (and form) needs changing back then
These are basic things that show whether people are on the ball or not

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Not the only ones to drop the ball Kev

APG have taken over the Australian Premier Trotting Sale. Click on the link for the terms and the conditions of the trotting sale and the very first condition stipulates that the yearling must be pacing bred.......

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A missed opportunity today.
With NO gallops meetings in Vic today we should have had a day meeting

[aussiebreno]

There are 10 Vic racing free Mondays over summer. A quick glance and it appears this might be the only time HRV don't have a day meeting.

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Isn’t this one a “trots” one for France, so needs to be a night meeting for their scheduling?

Not enough horses perhaps for both I guess Kev, though perhaps a little forethought could have seen Friday’s Yarra Glen meeting transferred to today. The HRA conference was billed as an opportunity for participants to have their say, which was always going to be very difficult for many local participants to attend with a day meeting and a night meeting on Friday.

Does anyone know if the presentations were videoed for dissemination amongst those who couldn’t t attend?

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Thanks for the answers Brendan and Dot

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I am not sure what has become of the 'hot weather' policy.
With the 2.03pm start at Stawell today they could be racing in 40° later in the day

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A Monday and a Thursday meet for Maryborough this week is a little unusual

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Think today was Charlton meeting at Maryborough due building works at Charlton

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"Trainer Matthew Craven says he certainly wasn’t “expecting” Wardan Express would win Sunday’s Matthews Petroleum Hamilton Pacing Cup, but he also wasn’t exactly surprised."

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Express-triumph-as-Craven-claims-Hamilton-Cup

Maybe they weren't expecting him to win but wouldn't it be refreshing if we had an trainer say "we set him for this race, backed him and would have been disappointed if we missed"

Wardan Express was backed for plenty if the early form guide market is to be believed. He started 3/1 fixed and paid not much better than 2/1 on the tote

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2019-01-13/HAMILTON/M/H/8

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It was a stinker at Cobram yesterday but even so you can see why some suggested the track needed even more water

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In the 4 months since Bopper Jet arrived from NZ, 3 of his 10 starts have been at Geelong and he has won them all.
I hope that at least some local followed him after that first win because he started $3 for the first win, $6 the second and $17 tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE250119#GEC25011903

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I am not a fan of names like Tabcorp Park Melton but at least we tack Melton on the end (yeah, yeah I know we need the money/sponsorship)

BUT at least we are not as ridiculous as the gallops. I was checking where they were racing this week and I come across
'Spendthrift Australia Park' - nothing more

I now know that it happened a couple of months back but for those who do not know - you are supposed to know or work out for yourself that it is Werribee
Bloody Ridiculous

While I am having a crack at the gallopers. I could not believe that strappers were on their iphones while solely responsible for 500kg of horse flesh in the mounting yard.
I would not have believed it if I had not seen it with my own eyes at Ararat's last meet.
I had to laugh that one horse who had to settle for 2nd because of his wayward antics in the home straight, was proving difficult for the strapper to get out of the 2nd placegetters stall - might have had something to do with her only having one hand free as she was glued to her phone in the other hand. I cannot imaging why that horse would be a handful

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I was glad to see that Ahmed Taiba won R3 at Ballarat last night as he had 3 of the 4 starters (not the fav mind you)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA290119#BAC29011907

[KTQ]

Me again with my field themes. This time; male names.


940
Matt, Matt, Ben, Jaxon, Jaxon, Michael Joseph

Dont envy the caller

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I am not a fan of names like Tabcorp Park Melton but at least we tack Melton on the end (yeah, yeah I know we need the money/sponsorship)

BUT at least we are not as ridiculous as the gallops. I was checking where they were racing this week and I come across
'Spendthrift Australia Park' - nothing more

I now know that it happened a couple of months back but for those who do not know - you are supposed to know or work out for yourself that it is Werribee
Bloody Ridiculous

While I am having a crack at the gallopers. I could not believe that strappers were on their iphones while solely responsible for 500kg of horse flesh in the mounting yard.
I would not have believed it if I had not seen it with my own eyes at Ararat's last meet.
I had to laugh that one horse who had to settle for 2nd because of his wayward antics in the home straight, was proving difficult for the strapper to get out of the 2nd placegetters stall - might have had something to do with her only having one hand free as she was glued to her phone in the other hand. I cannot imaging why that horse would be a handful


People are fine to use their phone while leading.... until a horse breaks away, goes through a fence, breaks a leg and they're asked what happened.

Weve had to implement a mobile ban at home and even then its constant reminders to get off your phone!

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Would be fairly easy to introduce a rule about where you can and can't use a phone on course . Would look better on tv that's for sure and improve safety . But as usual they will do this after a major accident !

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Thank god for the Hero program showcasing the beauty of the standardbred
For those who get the Harness Racer magazine, on the cover this edition, it is hard to tell that is a horse next to Chris Lang under all that gear (and that is without a cart)
The gallopers can have a bit of gear but their appearance is a big advantage they have over us

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I am into my 'forgetful' 60's - should I have known/remembered that last year's Terang Cup winner Messini is deceased?

[aussiebreno]

First meeting at the new Wagga track today. Official opening next month.

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Ararat Cup night on Friday
I wonder why the pacers cup isn't over 2570m - maybe as a point of difference from other cups?
With only 2 on the 2nd line they should all still have their chance

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=AR220219

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Kev being a smart arse here
Vic Rule changes

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=39645

It includes:

When placing an exotic bet (quinella, trifecta, first 4 etc.) a horse not trained by the trainer cannot be selected to finish ahead of a horse trained by them

Order does not matter in Quinellas fellas :D

It would seem to mean no more box trifectas / first 4's for trainers

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Dot being more of a smart arse Kev- they’re national rule changes not Vic rule changes.

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The time between races at Hamilton today is far too long especially in the 2nd half of the program - there will want to be plenty of entertainment on track
We have up to 42 minutes between races
If all races had only 30 minutes between them the 9 race program would be over 52 minutes earlier - closer to 4hrs than 5

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HM030319

I know you are going to tell me that it is all about getting Sky1 time
I doubt I will go now. If the temp is over 30° at 11am it will be a no-no

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The time between races at Hamilton today is far too long especially in the 2nd half of the program - there will want to be plenty of entertainment on track
We have up to 42 minutes between races
If all races had only 30 minutes between them the 9 race program would be over 52 minutes earlier - closer to 4hrs than 5

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HM030319

I know you are going to tell me that it is all about getting Sky1 time


I doubt I will go now. If the temp is over 30° at 11am it will be a no-no

Race times are dictated by Sky - regardless of whether Sky1 or Sky2

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To me, Sky having so much power is fundamentally wrong
It seems like they are Coles or Safeway - telling the producer 'if/when/how much'

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Mostly 40 minutes between races at Horsham tomorrow

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I am not sure how the points were awarded for the Drivers Challenge but it must have been close between Gary Hall Jnr and Chris Alford

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HS110319

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I don't often look at Mildura (sorry Mildura) but Mallee Reactor, the winner of R1 might be a serious 3yo

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ML130319#MLC13031910

That is 6 wins from 7 starts and the fashion and time of tonights run were VG

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Ex Fremantle Docker, GWS Giant and Carlton Blue Rhys Palmer three a shoe at the horses in a race at GP last night. Absolute flog. He never fit in at Carlton and spoke out against their culture but its easy to see who the true flog is.

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Ex Fremantle Docker, GWS Giant and Carlton Blue Rhys Palmer three a shoe at the horses in a race at GP last night. Absolute flog. He never fit in at Carlton and spoke out against their culture but its easy to see who the true flog is.

Didn't know much about the bloke but you're on the money Breno, absolute flog.

Besides a life ban from all racecourses, would expect police charges.

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My daughters in-laws are in the breeding group that sold Mystic Journey for $11k,
Don't feel too bad for them - they have plenty of related foals who will now sell for plenty

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Well done Kev to all concerned with Mystic Journey who’s certainly lived up to her name by giving them a journey they won’t forget. Seems Tassie and Vic keen to lay some claim to her origins. Some other controversies over the make up of the field for the race to I believe but all credit to the winner and RVL for trying something different

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Well done Kev to all concerned with Mystic Journey who’s certainly lived up to her name by giving them a journey they won’t forget. Seems Tassie and Vic keen to lay some claim to her origins. Some other controversies over the make up of the field for the race to I believe but all credit to the winner and RVL for trying something different

The group of 6 friends who bred her live in Vic but keep some of their horses down in Tassie

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Didn't know much about the bloke but you're on the money Breno, absolute flog.

Besides a life ban from all racecourses, would expect police charges.

Would have to say Wayne that I find this comment from you somewhat ironic. Am not condoning for a millisecond the actions of the spectator at Gloucester Park last night, and not only here from you have I read calls that he be banned from race courses for life and charged by police. I’ve read he should be imprisoned, beaten, tied to the track and run over by the field and an assorted array of track vehicles also, as his actions could have endangered the lives of our horses and drivers. No doubt they could have, but equally or moreso endangering the lives of our horses and drivers are the actions of drivers who cause interference in a race, in some instances deliberately driving into another horse in a race and we only suspend them from driving, usually only for a matter of weeks.

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Might be time I went to twitter, left the forum. That would be ironic. Or do I need to google the definition of ironic?

It may well be beyond my comprehension that me saying As for penalties going forward, if it's with intent, as long as driver status is irrelevant and a changed policy is clear, make it 6 months is indicative of me not having any concern for life or limb of driver or horse? And/or I should have made this clearer, in me supporting relegation the risk to driver and horse will be minimised significantly.


Might just be me.

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http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Response-to-Gloucester-Park-shoe-throw-allegations

Response to shoe allegations

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http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Response-to-Gloucester-Park-shoe-throw-allegations

Response to shoe allegations
Love to see this vision that supposedly supports Rhys story.

Edit: Somebody saying he is an owner was at at GP and 3m away from Rhys calling BS on the story Rhys is giving.

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https://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/dochr/marketing/Diamond_Creek_Farm_NZ_Derby.pdf27 horses still in contention for the Diamond Creek Farm NZ Derby

5 March 2019
After sustaining payments were taken, a pleasing number of 27 top class 3YO pacers remain in contention for the Group One $200,000 Diamond Creek Farm NZ Derby held at Addington on Friday 5 April. (Please see below).
Nominations include a fine array of horses from Southland to Auckland and two from Australia, headed up by Ultimate Sniper the winner of the NRM Sires Stakes Final in November and Muscle Factory from Australia the winner of the Victorian Derby.

3YO Pacers nominated for the Diamond Creek Farm New Zealand Derby are; 1. A Bettor Act 2. Accelere 3. Another Masterpiece 4. Artstanding 5. Bettorstartdreaming 6. Cast No Shadow 7. Chiller Bay 8. Dadndave 9. Delightful Major 10.Double Rocket 11.Global Domination 12.Gran Chico 13.Heisenberg 14.Ive Already Told You 15.Jesse Duke 16.Letterkenny Boy 17.Memphis Tennessee 18.Mighty Flying Art 19.Mongolian Cavalry 20.Mr Yips 21.Muscle Factory (Aust) 22.Petes Big Jim (Aust) 23.Robyns Playboy 24.Stars Tonight 25.Supreme Dominator 26.Ultimate Sniper 27.Zinny Mach

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TEAM TRITTON
@Tritton_Team
Muscle Factory has been found to have injured his tendon during Saturday nights NSW Derby which appears to have happened 600m from home. Scans and treatment will be confirmed but at this stage he will miss the remainder of the season . His prognosis is good for a return to racing

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http://todayspaper.smedia.com.au/theage/TranslateArticle.aspx?doc=AGE%2F2019%2F03%2F18&entity=ar01602

"The half-sister of former Dockers midfielder Rhys Palmer said doctors had prepared her family for the worst after the ‘‘beautiful’’ 30-yearold was taken into surgery for serious injuries sustained in a motorcycle accident south-west of Perth on Saturday night."

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Not something anyone in our industry would really wish upon on him and his family regardless of their opinions and social media posts about his actions at GP the night before.

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WA media now reporting Rhys Palmer cleared of head or spinal injury and expected to make a full recovery

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I’m sure all here who post on and read the forum join me in sending our thoughts and prayers to the 2yo child critically injured in a tragic accident involving the mobile barrier at Redcliffe last night. Thoughts also for those involved or who may have been affected by the accident.

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Harness-racing-accident-puts-toddler-in-hospital-

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A treble to Kerryn Manning for 3 different trainers and a treble to Stewart and Alford
Emma even took the SA 2yo Fillies Classic tonight - I notice the Sturt Racing group amongst the owners so I am at least hoping it is mostly SA owners

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You have to love how Noel enjoys finding quirky stuff
I can just picture him marvelling at finding a No Race due to a Lap Long

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You have to love how Noel enjoys finding quirky stuff
I can just picture him marvelling at finding a No Race due to a Lap Long

Thanks Kev.
Amazing what you find ... and they raced ( a lot) at Colac.

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Thanks Kev.
Amazing what you find ... and they raced ( a lot) at Colac.

Fast forward a few decades and the same thing happened again...listen to the caller counting down the laps

https://youtu.be/jdxPZUo6EnI

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Kyle would be very happy with local trainers winning 5 of the 8 races on Warragul Cup day

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=WR210419

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Yankee Lincoln verses Concealment in the 1st heat of the EK Bray at Bendigo tonight, should be a good battle if they are both keen to win (not just qualify)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN230419#BNC23041901

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I loved the good odds in Races 3 - 9 at Cranbourne tonight

A hypothetical $1 all up would have mathematically netted you over $29million

(Apologies but I just watched Let It Ride yesterday)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR280419

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I loved the good odds in Races 3 - 9 at Cranbourne tonight

A hypothetical $1 all up would have mathematically netted you over $29million

(Apologies but I just watched Let It Ride yesterday)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR280419

Good luck putting $7000 on Zoom Along Dreamer !

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Good luck putting $7000 on Zoom Along Dreamer !

:D

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Somedeal Safari, is an 8yo making his debut in the next at Maryborough - that is patience!

http://www.harness.org.au/form.cfm?mc=UK290419#3

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Somedeal Safari, is an 8yo making his debut in the next at Maryborough - that is patience!

http://www.harness.org.au/form.cfm?mc=UK290419#3

And the dam as well, didn't have her first foal until age 14 !

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I loved the good odds in Races 3 - 9 at Cranbourne tonight

A hypothetical $1 all up would have mathematically netted you over $29million

(Apologies but I just watched Let It Ride yesterday)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR280419

Nice returns again at Maryborough today (all 4 Odds On faves beaten)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=UK290419

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Terang race 3 last night (30/4) a horse fell just after crossing the line, in the replay it is edited out ! Why ? Is it HRV policy to not show falls, do they want the public to think they never happen ?

[aussiebreno]

Watchmylips at Launceston couldn't find a less agressive drive if you tried. Yes baby 2yos but is there feature races coming up where it might be handy to have Kadar drawn badly as well under PBD conditions?