Ch2 ODDS AND ENDS - not big enough for a thread of their own

[Messenger]

I feel a bit sad
I was reading a harness forum on a Footy board of all places
and a poster pointed out a shocking/suss drive from Kate Gath for which she was suspended nearly a year ago (Jan 20)
I wouldn't have thought it

[Showgrounds]

I feel a bit sad
I was reading a harness forum on a Footy board of all places
and a poster pointed out a shocking/suss drive from Kate Gath for which she was suspended nearly a year ago (Jan 20)
I wouldn't have thought it

Interesting to watch, then read the stewards report. She copped 4 weeks for an "unacceptable drive". Horse drove like a pig, she drove like it was dead and stopped driving it altogether when it looked a winning chance.

Certainly no magnum of Champagne for drive of the day!

[Messenger]

Annoying when HRV cannot get Replays up within a reasonable time
R9 has been run at Maryborough but still no replays up for any race
(lucky we have Sky and other options BUT we shouldn't have to stuff around with alternatives)

[Messenger]

I guess some horses just thrive on racing. Jaziah had 24 starts as a 2yo in 11mths of racing without a spell, all for Peter Manning bar 4 for owner Rhonda Aldons in Qld. One break of 5wks and another of 6wks between races was all she ever got

And still no spell, she has raced twice now as a 3yo and won in 1.54.9 at Hamilton today. Maybe they are not planning a long career for her but rather a couple of seasons then off to the breeding barn? Her breeding is from Royalty - literally that is as her 2nd dam is named Royalty :D

[Messenger]

They cannot have a racing person entering the results for Melton or else they would have realized you can't have multiple Odds On pops in a race like they have entered for R5 and R6
(They have entered the starting Place odds instead of the Win odds)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX220121

[aussiebreno]

They cannot have a racing person entering the results for Melton or else they would have realized you can't have multiple Odds On pops in a race like they have entered for R5 and R6
(They have entered the starting Place odds instead of the Win odds)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX220121
Looks like standard prices the brave bookies of the Riverina offer on course, especially at Non TAB meetings.

[Messenger]

Arts Dash was dashing around the parade ring before the crazy Mercury - so fast that you would almost think it could be an OH&S issue

[Messenger]

Reprinted from The Daily Mail Australia

"Ms Vanmaris was also a guest at the the Harnass Horse of the Year awards and, after the presentation, moved on to Silks restaurant with Ms Roberts and other friends, where the previously simmering argument boiled over."

For this particular story the typo may have been appropriate

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Queen-of-racing-awarded-30-000-compensation

[Messenger]

Like the Stewart and Tonkin new colours, Kima Frenning's colours also look like a Carlton track suit top.
I am a Blues Boy but as far as racing colours go :confused:
I am expecting something more modern like bright fluro colours easy to identify from a distance instead of these retro football styles

[Messenger]

One of our posters pointed out to me that we now have a Treble to bet on
He and I are not terribly observant as it has been around since October (maybe earlier)
The pools are not suggesting it is a success

[Messenger]

I'm confused as to how old J-Bon is
His Herald Sun form guide pic looks like the license photo of an 18yo
While in his R2 analysis he references Allen Jakovich who was a decent AFL player for a couple of years only - about 30 years ago!

[aussiebreno]

I'm confused as to how old J-Bon is
His Herald Sun form guide pic looks like the license photo of an 18yo
While in his R2 analysis he references Allen Jakovich who was a decent AFL player for a couple of years only - about 30 years ago!

Can't blame him using an old photo!

Linkedin profile says he graduated High School 1997 so that would make him around 40.

[Messenger]

R1 Albion Park yesterday

Winner 271 starts
2nd 131 starts
and Its You Not Me was in it too... 302 starts

704 starts between 3 horses!!

[Showgrounds]

Can't blame him using an old photo!

Linkedin profile says he graduated High School 1997 so that would make him around 40.

Or 50 if he went to my school!

[Messenger]

Does anybody know where Blake Redden landed? He departed so quickly on the eve of the Breeders Crown, you had to think he had something to go to

[Messenger]

$3.60 for the Early Quaddie at Melton tonight
That is as skinny a quaddie as I can remember

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX130221

Races 1-4

I wish it had NOT caught my attention. I thought I remembered a $5 quaddie at Shep back in the 70's which included Jolie Hanover and obviously 3 other standout horses (and I thought was probably a Saturday night meet). Not as short I know but I remember (or I think I do) having it 20 times. I have been searching the Year Books, it is approaching midnight - it can wait until tomorrow. Back in those days that was probably the payout for 50c

[Messenger]

I'm happy to see Ladies In Red given a proper spell instead of contesting the NSW Oaks

[Messenger]

Good luck to AJ Chalmers who has 9yo first starter Skye Cruiser in R3 at Maryborough today
After waiting this long, you deserve some luck
Craig Rail says it has been trialing well

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH220221#MHC22022105

(Finished 6.9m 6th)

[Messenger]

In the same race you would be excused for thinking
Jack Laugher was destined to drive Loven Laughter
But alas it finished Last

[Yabbie]

Can't blame him using an old photo!

Linkedin profile says he graduated High School 1997 so that would make him around 40.



Gents - from the horses mouth (tweeted yesterday) : 30 years today since my dad Victor David Bonnington raised his arms one final time before saying goodbye. I was 11 then. I'm 41 now.

[Messenger]

We occasionally hear people complain about visitors draws
The Stewart stable would be shaking their heads after drawing 9,10,11,12 in tonight's NSW Oaks

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC270221#PCM27022102

[Messenger]

The $25k Eastern Challenge at YV tomorrow should be a good race

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG010321#YGC01032102

[Messenger]

I found it surprising that with the runners they had in big races at Menangle, the Stewart-Tonkin stable only had a stablehand as their rep

[Messenger]

Nice finish to the call of R1 at Shep tonight:
"One Big Shew, he is going to win with a leg in the air"
;)

[Messenger]

Invitation Drivers Championship at Horsham on this holiday Monday, understandably an all Vic affair this year
I reckon they should only count the last 3 legs as with only a field of 7 in the first leg, 3 drivers miss out.
(I know they have some way of averaging it but why not keep it simple)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HS080321

[Messenger]

No surprise to see Aha Reaction claimed for a mere $8k tonight. I even looked at it myself this arvo. He is only 2mths into his 6yo season. Norm must have too many horses and decided he is not going to be a champ

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA040321#BAC04032105

[Messenger]

I cannot imagine the Taswegians (and South Aussies) love it when we go over and raid their better races

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Aussie-stable-snippets-5th-March-2021

A bit like when the NZers plunder Victoria

[Messenger]

I watched another Yabby Dam horse win today - nothing unusual
BUT I was at Stawell gallops
I remember when it was reported that they were venturing into the enemy code but I had not thought anything of it until today
At least caller Ric McIntosh mentioned that Yabby Dam are the trotting farm

[Messenger]

A beautiful day at Horsham
Free admittance as per normal and an especially good race book for the Drivers Championship was even free
Construction doubling the size of the Tabaret is coming along nicely
There would be around 50 ladies at the luncheon
The pony trots between races 1-3 were very much appreciated to fill the space between those races
With up to 41 minutes between races and no stables or warm up yard accessible to the public the time would have dragged if not for the kiosk and the weather being conducive to lazing around
I might put on a couple of kilos before the day is over

[Messenger]

I lied, IT IS 45mins between races 6 an 7 !
Going home

[Messenger]

A very close finish to the Drivers Championship

JASON LEE has won the DECRON HORSE CARE NOEL SMITH MEMORIAL INVITATION DRIVERS CHAMPIONSHIP on a countback from Jodi Quinlan on 28 - then followed Greg Sugars 27 Jack Laugher 25 Kerryn Manning 25 Michael Stanley 24 James Herbertson 23 John Caldow 22 Kate Gath 21 Josh Aiken 14

[Messenger]

Ash Warton (Drysdale) trained the winner of R10 at 5.47 at Maryborough today
and then followed it up with the winner of R1 at 6.49 at Kilmore
I wonder which track he attended? One horse was $3.20 fav while the other was $4.40 second fav

[Beltane]

This must be some kind of record.

In Race 8 at Launceston on Sunday, Ben Yole is the trainer of 12 of the 13 starters.

Reminds me of a Beatles song, "For the benefit of Mr. Yole"!

[Messenger]

Believe it or not he has actually done better Steve
12/12 a couple of years back

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=LN210719#LNC21071905

[Messenger]

APG heats at Melton this afternoon. Interesting for the C&G there are 2 heats of 6 (not 1 of 12) maybe it is in the conditions. I noticed that there was no 4yo mares heat run at Gloucester Park - I wonder whether any nominations go straight through?

[KTQ]

APG heats at Melton this afternoon. Interesting for the C&G there are 2 heats of 6 (not 1 of 12) maybe it is in the conditions. I noticed that there was no 4yo mares heat run at Gloucester Park - I wonder whether any nominations go straight through?

The timing of the APG heats in WA across all ages was ridiculous. We had the choice of running Star Of Diamonds in a $22k city race on the friday or the $10k heat on a tuesday (when there was a group 3 the next friday), and then 2 weeks later contest a $50k Group 2 or the $51k APG WA final against the boys. :confused:
We have a 3yo filly who missed the heat because of the timing of other more important races but the 3yo final isn't for weeks. It's like they squeezed the heats and finals in wherever they could fit without considering the existing programming and what races trainers would go for. I'm mad about it.
None of our horses are going to be sent east for the final even if they could win it - in fact I think Michael Brennan's 2 horses are the only WA horses that will so really the whole "buy an APG horse and race for hundreds of thousands" is a farce.

[Messenger]

If you got to tonight's Metro meeting after 7pm expecting to see R1 which would have been the case in the old days
You will have missed 5 races :eek:
We know why - just saying

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX080521#MXM08052110

[Adaptor]

If you got to tonight's Metro meeting after 7pm expecting to see R1 which would have been the case in the old days
You will have missed 5 races :eek:
We know why - just saying

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX080521#MXM08052110

We Bendigonians like to go to be early.....or go home after the 6th to watch the footy.

[Messenger]

Watching one of the 16 horse races in NZ
You would think that they should always be preferential barrier draws because at best a horse running last has to make up 25m to put itself into the race

[Messenger]

Lot 52 at the Karaka Weanling Sale

I think somebody is having a lend of us

[Messenger]

From the USTA website, further proof of how dependent US Harness is on 'other' forms of income:

the Florida Senate approved a measure Tuesday (May 18) that would allow racetracks and other gaming sites to host some other forms of gambling, effectively ending harness racing in the State of Florida
...... is pitting parts of the horse industry against other parts
......lawmakers had indicated an interest in also nixing the proposed decoupling of harness racing from casino operations

http://ustrottingnews.com/florida-house-committee-amends-gambling-bill-to-preserve-standardbred-business/

Imagine having (had?) such protections

The above was about the senate while harnesslink news reports:

reports that the Florida House committee amended the gambling bill to preserve standardbred horse business.

The House gaming bill would not decouple harness racing from gaming rooms.
Florida’s standardbred horse breeding business was thrown a lifeline Tuesday (May 18) when a House committee amended the gambling “decoupling” bill to require that Florida’s only harness racing track continue racing in order to keep its game room open.

The amendment adopted Tuesday by the House Select Committee on Gaming diverges HB 7A from its Senate counterpart.

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Florida-House-amends-decoupling-bill

[Messenger]

The senate won out and the decoupling bill went through unchanged

Caesar's, which owns Pompano Park, had promised the horsemen and women that harness racing would continue for at least one more season and is keeping their word.

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Florida-legislature-passes-Decoupling-Bill

[Messenger]

Narutac Prince fav for his heat of the APG tonight, not only looks special, he is lucky
This will be his 7th start and he has drawn 3 - 4 - 3 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 1

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI210521#KIC21052103

[Messenger]

When the question is asked as to whether we have too many Gp1's, I reckon this one fits the bill
$100k Regional Championship for NR up to 70 is at Newcastle tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=NR210521#NRC21052101

[Messenger]

Bet on whatever Jason Bonnington has selected for tonight 21st May as he can time transfer and is already in tomorrowland 22 May ;)

[Messenger]

FYI the Myo-Inositol Trispyrophosphate thread on the forum this morning would have been deleted earlier but we were waiting for the Stewards panel to view it

[Messenger]

I hope Honolua Bay is going to be OK after running poorly again tonight
Last time it was discovered that he had a Grade 2 EIPH (Exercise induced pulmonary haemorrhage) so here's hoping - see stewards report below

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/stewards-reports/stewards-reports-detail/?mc=MX080521

Maybe there is a virus in the stable as Narutac Prince went even worse

[Messenger]

One of my spys tells me they have a covid vaccination centre in the ground floor bar at Cranbourne. It is the biggest crowd seen at the trots for years!!!

[Messenger]

Surprising to see Tamworth Abandoned
Between 8am and 1.30pm Tamworth Airport had had 11.6mm of rain, that is < ½" in 5hrs+, not a real lot

[Showgrounds]

I hope Honolua Bay is going to be OK after running poorly again tonight
Last time it was discovered that he had a Grade 2 EIPH (Exercise induced pulmonary haemorrhage) so here's hoping - see stewards report below

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/stewards-reports/stewards-reports-detail/?mc=MX080521

Maybe there is a virus in the stable as Narutac Prince went even worse

Both have now been sent for spells.

[Messenger]

Does anybody know why Penrith has been abandoned tonight - they had no rain yesterday and have only had 6mm today (It is not Covid related is it?)
I am guessing that Tamworth was abandoned due to rain, as they have had a fair bit over the last 48hrs
There is nothing on HRA or HRNSW (in fact HRNSW does not even show that Tamworth was abandoned)

[Messenger]

I have heard that Penrith was cancelled because the mobile barrier was thought to be unsafe
The meeting was cancelled long before the R1 6.22 start time and at 6.30 the Penrith Weather Station had still only had 8.6mm of rain
It seems odd

[Messenger]

There was a very nasty fall when Crocrock seemed to choke down in R7 at Kilmore tonight - I hope Michelle Phillips is OK, probably understandable that it has been edited out of the replay

[Beltane]

There were bad snow and alpine conditions all day on the upper Blue Mountains plus road closures in the Central West due to snow, which would have prohibited trainers, drivers and their horses from getting over the Blue Mountains down to Penrith.

[Showgrounds]

We just had a bit of rain. The local creek resembled Bass Straight on a bad day, running 2.0 metres ABOVE major flood level!

[Messenger]

News.
News can be a bit slow coming in the harness world
Hoping to see that Michelle Phillips is OK after last night's fall, I cannot find anything
Some clubs like Bendigo have wonderfully busy facebook pages while others such as Kilmore (which raced last night!) have facebook pages that have not had an entry for 2 weeks

[Yabbie]

News.
News can be a bit slow coming in the harness world
Hoping to see that Michelle Phillips is OK after last night's fall, I cannot find anything
Some clubs like Bendigo have wonderfully busy facebook pages while others such as Kilmore (which raced last night!) have facebook pages that have not had an entry for 2 weeks

I don't think Kilmore even has a facebook page!
Paul Courts posted a short article in Trot Guide - https://nationaltrotguide.com.au/phillips-aussie-reaction-to-race-fall/
Michelle has concussion and a sore back but it is muscular and no severe damage.
Very lucky I would say

[Messenger]

I did find this one Carol but nothing on it since May 26

https://www.facebook.com/kilmoreracing/

Thanks for the update Carol

[Messenger]

Harness racing driver Michelle Phillips is a little battered and bruised but bouncing back after a Thursday fall, and hopes to be back in the sulky next Tuesday

The fall occurred at the 600-metre mark when Phillips said she “was knocked out cold and I don’t remember anything after flying through the air, but I’m OK”.

https://harnesslink.com/australia/michelle-ready-to-bounce-back-after-nasty-fall/

If Michelle is back at the qualifiers on Tuesday then the industry needs a concussion policy!

[Messenger]

I wonder what happened to the call of R5 at Warragul today.
I watched it and knew there was no audio on Trots Vision and I see that there is none on the Replay
I would have liked to hear it as it was a fascinating catch me if you can drive my Monique Burnett

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=WR140621#WRC14062104

[Adaptor]

I wonder what happened to the call of R5 at Warragul today.
I watched it and knew there was no audio on Trots Vision and I see that there is none on the Replay
I would have liked to hear it as it was a fascinating catch me if you can drive my Monique Burnett

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=WR140621#WRC14062104

It looks as if she didn't have any option other than let it run, as the stewards note striking the sulky with hind legs.
You can see the off side hind leg getting very close to the sulky wheel.

[Messenger]

https://harnesslink.com/australia/rock-n-roll-world-to-cobbitty-equine/

After serving 100 in each of his 2 seasons at Allwood WA, Rock N Roll World is off to Cobbity before any of his progeny have even been to the sales :confused:

[Messenger]

Echuca abandoned tonight, our tracks don't even seem to handle some rain as well as the gallopers lately
No proper weather station at Echuca but nearby Swan Hill and Kyabram have only averaged a quarter of an inch this afternoon

[KTQ]

It's a trend I've noticed more and more over here in WA. I barely recall a single meeting being cancelled 10 years ago. It's a constant thing these days. Either the weather is 4 times as bad as it was or track curation is a lost art. I feel like it's a conspiracy for harness racing to glean less revenue, thus nailing our coffin but they wouldn't do that would they?

[Showgrounds]

It's a trend I've noticed more and more over here in WA. I barely recall a single meeting being cancelled 10 years ago. It's a constant thing these days. Either the weather is 4 times as bad as it was or track curation is a lost art. I feel like it's a conspiracy for harness racing to glean less revenue, thus nailing our coffin but they wouldn't do that would they?

I put it down to faulty rain guages. Stewards can't read them properly and think there is more water in them than there really is.

[Messenger]

Many people know the peterprofit website with Archie's thoughts on all things racing. I sometimes reference him but his criticism of Greg Sugars drive on Borntoboom last night was very unfair and incorrect. For a start, "holding the lead from the pole would have been easy", was not a possibility as the horse went very roughly and I don't think there was ever a point when I would have wanted my money on him. He stayed in for the sprint lane but couldn't even get 2nd ahead of the horse that was in the death for the last lap

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR270621#CRC27062106

[Messenger]

A story on Rick's (gutwagon) Final Peace

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/murphys-mare-giving-connections-an-enjoyable-ride/

Unfortunately I am not sure she has the right horse to follow out on Saturday

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN030721#BNM03072105

[Messenger]

Winner tonight at Terang, I Am A Wingate, is rather uniquely bred
He is the only starter of his sire I Am The Way (1995) and as I Am The Way only had one season (2011/12) with 5 services for 3 foals and with I Am A Wingate an 8yo and the other 2 foals not named, I think it is pretty safe to say that he will be his only ever starter.
I Am The Way NZ had 175 starts (all but 2 in Australia) finishing in 2006 so it was pretty unusual to see him tried as a sire so much later, especially as he never won a metro race and was not regally bred

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=TE060721#TEC06072102

[Adaptor]

Winner tonight at Terang, I Am A Wingate, is rather uniquely bred
He is the only starter of his sire I Am The Way (1995) and as I Am The Way only had one season (2011/12) with 5 services for 3 foals and with I Am A Wingate an 8yo and the other 2 foals not named, I think it is pretty safe to say that he will be his only ever starter.
I Am The Way NZ had 175 starts (all but 2 in Australia) finishing in 2006 so it was pretty unusual to see him tried as a sire so much later, especially as he never won a metro race and was not regally bred

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=TE060721#TEC06072102

The second dam of I Am A Wingate is a fully imported daughter of Albatross, from the U28 family.
She has Most Happy Fella as a close relative.

I Am The Way traces back to the champion Bendigo sire Directway, through his daughter Rarebell Direct...ancestress of the I949 nter Dominion champion Single Direct and the most recent fast horse in the family On Advice: Set Australian 3YO Trotters Mile Record 1:54.5 (19-06-2021). Set Australasian 3YO Trotters Mile Record 1:54.5 (19-06-2021 ).

I Am The Way is also bred 3x3 to Most Happy Fella.

[Messenger]

Thanks Noel. The dam side is certainly interesting, I Am A Wingate's 5th dam is Most Happy Fella's 3rd dam

[Messenger]

Somebody is letting the team down at Shep tonight.
It has been 2½hrs since R1 and no replay up yet (much less any other race)

[Messenger]

Since Brantley NZ left Brent Lilley's stable and went to Aaron Bain, he has had 8 wins and 3 placings from 12 starts

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ML090721#MLC09072102

Luckily his NZ owner has never sold him
It would be hard to when you look at all the big stakeswinners in the family
This is a snip from ClassicFamilies showing his 3rd, 2nd, 1st dam
and I have only highlighted his siblings

https://classicfamilies.azurewebsites.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10010070

[Showgrounds]

Dancing Diamonds, top filly herself, is the dam of Princess Tiffany. Same ownership, this is what owner - breeders dream about!

(Sigh!)

[Messenger]

Going on the fog at Cranbourne already starting to roll in at 5pm, you have to wonder whether it could threaten the meeting

[Messenger]

Me and Luke equal first ;) I called the fog ruining the meet at 5.15 and Luke was sure Orbie had not lost/won and was proven correct

[Messenger]

Half an hour after race HRV still posting

[Messenger]

They have to call it off - as they are saying the Stewards cannot see the whole track (and it is not going to get any better)

[Messenger]

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/how-a-short-video-of-a-much-loved-trotter-went-viral/

I am being a negative Nellie here but with 5m of the hits this video received coming from India, I take with a grain of salt
I am no doubt scarred by being a moderator continually banning new members from non-harness racing countries

I will put it in the same category as the fact that the most people that this forum ever had online was at 10 minutes to midnight on a Sunday night - me thinks they weren't here for harness racing

[KTQ]

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/how-a-short-video-of-a-much-loved-trotter-went-viral/

I am being a negative Nellie here but with 5m of the hits this video received coming from India, I take with a grain of salt
I am no doubt scarred by being a moderator continually banning new members from non-harness racing countries

I will put it in the same category as the fact that the most people that this forum ever had online was at 10 minutes to midnight on a Sunday night - me thinks they weren't here for harness racing



Daresay the Bangladeshi and Pakistani views were also bots :(

[Messenger]

Clicking on Adam Crocker (R3 Albion Park last night) I saw
Best Winning Mile Rate 1.48.4 which is total rubbish as the race was only 947m - that is not a mile
THANKFULLY HRA is not following suit and has his BWMR at 1.54.7
Well done HRA

[Messenger]

The name Alilthundadownunda caught my eye in the title of a story on the USTA website
and set me wondering what an American horse is doing with that name

It turns out that he is a homebred whose sire is ex NZer Malak Uswaad who won $95k in NZ as a consistent performer at 2, 3 & 4 before going to the US where he took his earning to $566k
He is a Bettors Delight and his dam side hails from the renowned Black Watch line
Interestingly although Malak Uswaad is a NZ bred his dam was US bred and although they must have been humble races HRNZ shows her as having won 5 from 5 over in the US for stakes of $17,550

3yo Alilbitofthundadownunda is 20/1 to win the $300,000 Carl Milstein Memorial Invitational for 3yo's at MGM Northfield Park on Saturday. Favourite is Charlie May, who you might remember was unlucky to be disqualified in the Meadowlands pace last month
Unfortunately Malak Uswaad died shortly after the mating or else he may have become a frequent visitor to the home breeding barn

http://ustrottingnews.com/will-lightning-strike-in-milstein-for-alilthundadownunda/

https://classicfamilies.azurewebsites.net/horsedetails.aspx?HorseID=10159279

[Messenger]

Watching R5 at Maryborough today at one stage Blitzern and Lieutenant Jack were side by side, although it looked liked Blitz only came up to LJ's undercarriage
I hope Trevor S reads this as he bred the Lieutenant.
How big is he Trev?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH260821#MHC26082104

[Messenger]

Myrniong Is Away's win at Warragul on Monday was first up after 1,195 days away from the track!

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/mare-returns-a-winner-after-nearly-1200-days-on-sidelines/

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=WR060921#WRC06092102

[Messenger]

I watched the footy instead of the trots tonight but looking at the results
there was either some good plunges or the assessed prices with the fields were way off on a few (who does these assessments - the tipster? Craig Rail in this case)

R1 listed Gee Cee Calder as $11 - paid $2.70
R5 listed Sew What as $21 - paid $5.60
R6 listed Villacci as $14 - paid $5.40

[Messenger]

Anything For Love's return to form in the US, reminded me of the fact that he contested the fastest Miracle Mile ever, won by My Field Marshal

My Field Marshal was an entire I think so does anybody know why he was not tried as a stallion (he is listed as retired from both racing and breeding)

[aussiebreno]

Anything For Love's return to form in the US, reminded me of the fact that he contested the fastest Miracle Mile ever, won by My Field Marshal

My Field Marshal was an entire I think so does anybody know why he was not tried as a stallion (he is listed as retired from both racing and breeding)
https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/thanks-for-the-memories-monty/

He's a rig which I guess would be why.

[Messenger]

Thanks Breno, that explains it

[Messenger]

7 out of 8 favourites saluted at Ballarat tonight
One Even Money, three under, three over

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA160921

[Messenger]

10 out of 10 favourites won at Maryborough today

Half of them were Odds On

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH200921

[Messenger]

Lotakevi won his 5th race at his 112th start today
Nothing sensational
But if I had backed him for the same amount to win every start, I would be well ahead
as his starting price dividends add up to $181 dollars
:D

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR260921#CRC26092103

[Messenger]

Dan Mielicki calling R3 at Ballarat tonight:
"Major Major from Really Really, yes yes that's the order" = Brilliant stuff Dan

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA011021#BAC01102106

[Messenger]

What with no spectators, it probably does not matter but the spacing between the first four races at Melton today is 1hr 19min (an average of 26min between races)
while the spacing between the last four races is 1hr 57min (an average of 39min between races)

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX081021

[Messenger]

Does anyone know what the story was with R11 being abandoned at Melton today?

[Showgrounds]

Does anyone know what the story was with R11 being abandoned at Melton today?

Just checked the stewards' report; a horse choked down and fell across the track at the top of the straight at the bell. It seems it was quite happy to stay there, so a no race was declared.

[Messenger]

Thanks Trev
Here is the Stewards Report

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/stewards-reports/stewards-reports-detail/?mc=MX081021

[Messenger]

The Tough Tilly explanation

"As I understand it, she had a big abscess in the back of her throat and she just couldn't get air. And they don't know they exist unless they actually put a scope down and find it," Judd said.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/tough-tilly-on-the-mend-breeders-crown-hopes-alive/

[Messenger]

The Claimer at Ballarat on Saturday
Who do you want to claim

5yo Struve 33-13-2-3 ($116,302) for $50,000
or
8yo Bernie Winkle 229-53-29-25 ($512,297) for $100,000

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA161021#BAM16102106

[Messenger]

I noticed Honolua Bay trialing for Emma Stewart the other day - not David Aiken

[Bonnie]

Emma and Clayton trained Dennis as a two year old . We lived at the farm full time for 18 months , now it’s sold we have moved back to Melbourne and brought some horses back to be trained closer to home. Peter Tonkin bought Maffioso at the yearling sales and we have given them horses to train ever since.

[Messenger]

Robbie Auber filling in as caller at Maryborough today missed a real opportunity in the last
Rob has noted that the 3 'Loves' (Tough Love, Lindys Love and High On Love) are filling the first three positions in the running
Rob, Rob Rob it was your chance to break into "Love, Love, Love" (All You Need Is Love by the Beatles - think of the movie Love Actually)

[Messenger]

If you study the times from yesterday's Cranbourne meet you will see that one race stands out - R3 run in 1.55.6

It is little wonder as winner Farady Hanover had won 3 from 6 since coming from America with a nice record
She is a 3yo but being bred in the US she is half a year younger than our 3yo's
while 2nd placed 4yo Smooth Choice was a Gp1 winning 2yo in NZ

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR141121#CRC14112101

[Showgrounds]

If you study the times from yesterday's Cranbourne meet you will see that one race stands out - R3 run in 1.55.6

It is little wonder as winner Farady Hanover had won 3 from 6 since coming from America with a nice record
She is a 3yo but being bred in the US she is half a year younger than our 3yo's
while 2nd placed 4yo Smooth Choice was a Gp1 winning 2yo in NZ

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR141121#CRC14112101

Smooth Deal was the top priced yearling of his year, $240,000. He was looking a bargain early when he slaughtered the opposition in the Young Guns. Then the wheels fell off. After several disappointing performances, interrupted by various veterinary procedures, he was sold to Victoria where his form has been hot and cold. Yesterday's run was much better but if he was anything near his 2yo best he would have motored straight past the winner. Hope he is coming back because he was certainly an exciting youngster.

[Messenger]

Thanks Trev, I always enjoy reading your posts especially those with a NZ flavour as you keep tabs on the kiwis so much better than most of us

[Messenger]

I have stated in the Interdom thread that I rarely follow non Victorian harness racing
This is partly why I cannot be bothered going to Maryborough today (a 1½hr drive I enjoy)
The only way to reduce the boredom of the sometimes 40min between races is to be a fan of Tamworth (mind you even that still leaves 30mins between some racing despite following 2 states)

[Messenger]

PeterProfit has been writing a lot about the VHRC of late. I have no knowledge of the VHRC and will wait for all the cards to be played out before making it a forum topic.
At this stage I can only say that the PP articles have been supportive of Fred Crews who was asked to front a club Disciplinary sub committee and in his absence was suspended from the VHRC for 5yrs

[Messenger]

Fred Crews is not going to be worrying about the VHRC - he is in the Interdom winners club!

[Showgrounds]

Fred Crews is not going to be worrying about the VHRC - he is in the Interdom winners club!

The karma bus is carrying a lot of passengers tonight. Congratulations Fred and Emmett and Richard Brosnan for bringing the horse back to the top of his game.

[Messenger]

With 7 news coming up I am changing channels to continue watching The Ashes
and I find Gareth Hall hosting a special Greyhound event on 7Two
The doggies have well and truly gone past us :(

[Messenger]

Stablemates and Full brothers Celestial Trekker and Celestial Gossip won races 3 & 8 at Cranbourne tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR180122#CRC18012206

[Messenger]

Two sires, you may not have heard of, won consecutive races at Bendigo tonight
27yo Just Turf who stopped serving mares 5yrs ago notched up his 5th winner
while 9yo Goodtime Sammy produced his 1st winner

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN200122

[Messenger]

Three Rivers won the $25k Central Victorian Pacing Championship at Maryborough today
He has now won 3 from 5 since coming over from NZ
The son of The Gold Ace now has a record of 6-4-1-0

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MH240122#MHC24012201

[Messenger]

PeterProfit is suggesting that Joe Conolly 'has something' whether that be training nouse or something else and he bases this on the way he improves older horses but let's be fair and analyse their form previous to Joe getting them

Silly Sid - no surprise he won in 1.56.2, as then 7yo, he was having only his 6th start (has still only had 11) and a year before that win he had run 1.56.1 in a trial
Fortunate Son - PP is only complaining about Joe making him consistent - give the man a break
Schouten Island - he cites the 1.53.0 win in July but 2yrs before that he had run 1.53.2 when 3rd at Albion Park
Mister Magic Man - PP marvels at him winning in 1.51.4 saying he had never won in faster than 1.56.6 BUT 2yrs before he had run 1.53.2 when he drew badly and had a hard run before finishing 7th, so we are not talking miracles
Art Tutor - as a 6yo has gone pretty close to 1.50 when beaten by Muscle Factory last November BUT this is a horse that as a 2yo having his second start back in 2017 rated 1.56 when finishing 7th, it is not mind boggling to think that 4yrs later he could be capable of about 6 seconds improvement on a faster track over a shorter distance

[Toohard]

There be a lot more variables than 'times' in trots as you know Kev. Barrier positions, different tracks, race tempo, where they are in the run.... heaps more.

Eg...

Horse can go 29, 29, 29, 29 = 1.56
But can't go 30, 30, 28, 28 = 1.56

29 as quick as they can go.

When race is run per 1 they'll be competitive. When run per 2 they won't.... be beaten bout 20m+ in fact. Same time but competitive in one and not the other? So comparing times like that a fruitless exercise?

[Messenger]

So true Paul but what it can show us is what a horse is capable of if it gets the right run

[Messenger]

The welcome rain is playing a bit of havoc, the last at Stawell today was abandoned and the last 4 at Mildura appear to be in some doubt

[Messenger]

Between 9.18 and 11.08 Mildura had 67mm of rain (that is over 2½ inches) and 80mm in total

[Adaptor]

Between 9.18 and 11.08 Mildura had 67mm of rain (that is over 2½ inches) and 80mm in total

It's a long way to and from Mildura for many for no result. The same for the scheduled last race at Stawell...Leigha Miller went from Bendigo to Horsham and back.

What happens....is the stake money divided equally among the horses entered?

PS Thanks to Kevin for fixing up my user name and password problems. No fun being shut out.

[Messenger]

Good to have you back Noel. Very unfortunate at Stawell as the last race was to be the $9,500 feature, the Laidlaw Family Pace

[Messenger]

I wonder how much rain Cranbourne had to force tonight's meeting to be abandoned
Nearby Frankston had had 17mm in the 4½hrs up to 7pm. You wouldn't really think that that would do it
I am down in Melbourne not far from The Dandenongs and although we have had some incredibly dark skies, we have had little more than drizzle

[Showgrounds]

I can assure you Kev it is not an issue of how much rain but how much and how quick it fell. 44mm from 9:00 AM seems to have fallen around Cranbourne, most within a couple of hours. I was in Sale late afternoon and 30mm fell in no time.

[Messenger]

Taking an interest in the 3yo at Geelong today as a couple of well bred types were going around and then I decided to look up the winner.
Our once regular poster and moderator, Richard Prior, bred the dam - Rockin In Eden, Cocora is her first live foal. She ran 4 placings last season without being able to notch a 2yo win but she goes alright Rich :D

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE310122

[Messenger]

PeterProfit is suggesting that Joe Conolly 'has something' whether that be training nouse or something else and he bases this on the way he improves older horses but let's be fair and analyse their form previous to Joe getting them

Silly Sid - no surprise he won in 1.56.2, as then 7yo, he was having only his 6th start (has still only had 11) and a year before that win he had run 1.56.1 in a trial
Fortunate Son - PP is only complaining about Joe making him consistent - give the man a break
Schouten Island - he cites the 1.53.0 win in July but 2yrs before that he had run 1.53.2 when 3rd at Albion Park
Mister Magic Man - PP marvels at him winning in 1.51.4 saying he had never won in faster than 1.56.6 BUT 2yrs before he had run 1.53.2 when he drew badly and had a hard run before finishing 7th, so we are not talking miracles
Art Tutor - as a 6yo has gone pretty close to 1.50 when beaten by Muscle Factory last November BUT this is a horse that as a 2yo having his second start back in 2017 rated 1.56 when finishing 7th, it is not mind boggling to think that 4yrs later he could be capable of about 6 seconds improvement on a faster track over a shorter distance

Fortunate Son rated 1.49.4 racing at Menangle yesterday - leading and winning by 18m

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC010222#PCC01022205

PP asks this morning - Why would you be selling him for $25k? Saying that until today he had been advertised for that for the last week on Harness Trading Ring

[Showgrounds]

Cheap horse at 25, unfortunately secrets to its much improved performance are unlikely to be supplied. I watched that race in amazement then looked at the horse's racing record. A quick check of my BS-ometer revealed it had bent its needle in going off the scale.

No, I'll keep my 25 grand for a yearling. Unless they are using an alarm clock for timing races at Menangle this horse's form runs in the opposite direction to laws of nature.

[Messenger]

On this 13th anniversary of the Black Saturday fires, the town and track look magnificent at Yarra Glen. It really is a beautiful track/vista. The track is already set up up with dozens of marquee for a party day/gallops meet on Saturday - I am pretty jealous

[Showgrounds]

The Yarra Valley certainly is the complete opposite of what it was this time thirteen years ago Kev. That day was 1939 revisited but with even more dire consequences. By coincidence I had applied for a job covering all of Victoria but based out of Healesville. I emailed my application just after seeing the huge plume of smoke when the Strzeleckis ignited. A phone call on Monday to arrange an interview in Melbourne the following morning and then a job offer on the Wednesday saw me meeting my new employers at Tullamarine Airport early on the Friday and on the job in Healesville by mid morning.

The fires were still burning around Healesville for another three weeks. Yarra Glen's surrounding areas were badly damaged including many vineyards between the two towns. My boss would ring me daily to ensure my safety. I'd tell him as long as I could look out the window and see the Mt St Leonard fire tower all was well, if it wasn't then I was out of there!

But the Yarra Valley Racing Centre is one of the best there is. The track is terrific and the grandstand facilities, all air-conditioned behind glass make for an enjoyable day out. It seems many trots participants remain unaware that the extension of the Eastern Freeway via the Mullum Mullum Tunnels halves the travel time to Yarra Glen. This venue deserves more support and, undoubtedly, is Victoria's most picturesque track.

[Messenger]

I choose to think of it as the luckiest day of my life, we lost our house, 2 cars, everything BUT my wife and 18yo daughter who were forced to take refuge in someone else's home when their escape route was cut off, survived the front and helped save the house that saved them. I know how long those fires burnt, I got back to the Valley before 10pm but did not get them off the Hill (Christmas) until about midnight.
Today my thoughts were with the many, many who lost family such as the 11 on Steels Creek Rd below us

[Showgrounds]

It sure puts a different perspective on the word "lucky" Kev. I woke up at 6:00 AM the next morning to find Marysville was gone, went into Traralgon and saw dozens of people I knew from the Traralgon South area who had lost everything and learnt of others who had perished. Everywhere I went in the next year I met so many more people with the same story, many of whom just needed somebody to talk to. We've had a couple of close calls at our place including an evacuation order three years ago as we were "certain to be impacted by wildfire and embers". At the same time the wind was blowing the fire away from us while we couldn't leave the property due to flash flooding!

You can stress about these things or recite Dorethea Mackellar. I choose the latter.

[Messenger]

24 races tomorrow = 12 at Melton + 12 at Mildura

Not small fields either - 23 of them paying 3 place divvies

You have to say that is healthy. Things are definitely healthy in Mildura - they don't need any horses outside their region to fill a meet

[Messenger]

One damper however is that
We have 216 horses going around for $168,000 (24 races)
while on the same day
the gallops have 55 horses going around for $400,000 (8 races Sandown)

Our average per race is $7,000 (OK for us) while their average per horse is more than that!

[Messenger]

In R4 at Ararat today, Diamond Wes had his first start for 24 months and his first win for 49 months.
He only started at 4/1 after trialing well of late

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=AR130222#ARC13022209

[Messenger]

The splits suggest a serious headwind in the home straight at Cranbourne today
In every race the 3rd Q was faster than the 4th Q
The average Q4 was over 30 secs

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR210222

Considering the conditions it was a top effort by Commander Buzz who never had any cover throughout the race and ran 1.55.6 (a Betting Line doing well)

[Messenger]

Jason Bonnington, an excellent idea to write a story about Gavin Lang's influence on our driving ranks last weekend but IMO the story you wrote is full of the superfluous babble that also detracts from your TrotsVision performances

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the-forum/bonnington/bonnington-gavin-langs-genius-bears-fruit-for-driving-disciples/

While on the topic, all our Trots presenters have to remember to keep their questions as short as possible (and general so that the interviewee can tell us what they want to tell us) as we are more interested in what the interviewee has to say. Some egs
"Tell us about that race"
"What can you tell us about this horse?"

[Toohard]

The splits suggest a serious headwind in the home straight at Cranbourne today
In every race the 3rd Q was faster than the 4th Q
The average Q4 was over 30 secs

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR210222

Considering the conditions it was a top effort by Commander Buzz who never had any cover throughout the race and ran 1.55.6 (a Betting Line doing well)

Back straight at Cranbourne 'downhill'. Front straight 'uphill'. Maybe explain times?

[Messenger]

Back straight at Cranbourne 'downhill'. Front straight 'uphill'. Maybe explain times?

You're definitely right Paul.
I looked at their 2 previous meetings and the same pattern, 12 races out of 14 saw a quicker Q3 than Q4
It must be some slope
I haven't been to Cranbourne for nearly 50yrs but I have a faint recollection of looking down the home straight now that I think about it

[Messenger]

Jason Bonnington, an excellent idea to write a story about Gavin Lang's influence on our driving ranks last weekend but IMO the story you wrote is full of the superfluous babble that also detracts from your TrotsVision performances

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the-forum/bonnington/bonnington-gavin-langs-genius-bears-fruit-for-driving-disciples/

While on the topic, all our Trots presenters have to remember to keep their questions as short as possible (and general so that the interviewee can tell us what they want to tell us) as we are more interested in what the interviewee has to say. Some egs
"Tell us about that race"
"What can you tell us about this horse?"

Jason certainly likes it himself (from Twitter)
Every so often, you're inspired to pen something that transcends the sport you cover. I'm very proud of this piece and hope that Gav would be too

[Toohard]

I didn't spy it. Someone a lot more 'eagle eyed' than me did. Which probably explain why they're so much better than me at finding a winner and the attention to detail they put in.

Check out the field for Race 9 at Melton Saturday night. Something 'unusual' about it?

[Messenger]

I am thinking this will be the one Sammy Kilgour tweeted about regarding the drivers' first names

[aussiebreno]

All drivers start with a J?

[Showgrounds]

Jason certainly likes it himself (from Twitter)
Every so often, you're inspired to pen something that transcends the sport you cover. I'm very proud of this piece and hope that Gav would be too

He'll nominate himself for a Joseph Coulter Award ;)

[Adaptor]

Jason certainly likes it himself (from Twitter)
Every so often, you're inspired to pen something that transcends the sport you cover. I'm very proud of this piece and hope that Gav would be too

My grandmother (lived most of her life in Beaufort) would always say; SELF PRAISE IS NO RECOMMENDATION.

[aussiebreno]

Dan called Tango Tara Tiger Tara and has now called Always Ready Dance Craze in the past month. Don't think he was ever one for these types of mistakes so two in a month is concerning.

[KTQ]

Dan called Tango Tara Tiger Tara and has now called Always Ready Dance Craze in the past month. Don't think he was ever one for these types of mistakes so two in a month is concerning.

Must have been taking pointers off Richie Bell

[Messenger]

Perfect day at Ararat gallops today but the time between races for the second half of the meeting has increased to 40 minutes - that extra 5 minutes is really noticeable - such a drag

[Messenger]

If you have ever wondered about this totally whacky (at times, maybe most times) bloke Peter Profit that we sometimes refer to, well now is the time to check his blog out for yourself. You see we readers of his are also strange enough to pay/subscribe to read his offerings but due to a website upgrade/malfunction, you don't have to log in this weekend so have a look for yourself if you are curious

https://peterprofit.com/

[Messenger]

Click on any Vic fields for this week eg Stawell today

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SW070322

And you will see an orange sidebar ad for the Neds APG sale in Perth
The sale was on Feb 27

[Messenger]

Offers of $2m have been tendered for Leap To Fame.
Unless you have twice that sitting in the bank, it would be hard to say no

[Showgrounds]

Offers of $2m have been tendered for Leap To Fame.
Unless you have twice that sitting in the bank, it would be hard to say no

Just a hunch, but I reckon Kevin and Kay Seymour don't have to check their account balances before filling up the Kingswood. I reckon Kev would probably buy a couple of ice creams as well as the petrol, so we'll is he travelling. Magnums, the dearest ice creams at that!

It's great to see a couple who have invested and given so much to the sport racing such a good colt, especially as they are scaling back their involvement. I doubt the sale will happen.

[Messenger]

LOL I forgot he was theirs - why would they sell

[KTQ]

I thought it was two x 1 million dollar offers rather than a two million dollar offer

[Messenger]

You're right Katie, I didn't read the whole tweet

If the offer from the US was in their dollars it would be worth 1.36m :D

[Messenger]

I was in Horsham today and the number of people already rolling in for the Long Weekend/Sunday Fishing Competition was amazing. It would be good for the Horsham club if they could 'catch' some of them before they go home on Monday

[Messenger]

I wonder what the Jenkins/Gath show paid for Vintage Cheddar, he has been racing for them for less than a month and is 4/4 with $50k of winnings

[Messenger]

What caused the abandonment of Cranbourne tonight?

[Showgrounds]

Extremely heavy rainfall in a short period of time. Lyndhurst, between Dandenong and Cranbourne, copped 38mm and West Gippsland really copped it in parts. I would suggest the track was badly rutted.

[Messenger]

Thanks Trev, thought that could be it but Cranbourne does not have a 24hr weather station to check, nearest is Frankston who only had 3mm

[Danno]

If you have ever had questions about some horses perfomances being a little variable I'd suggest you take a look at Western Ricki and his record depending on who is working him.......amazing the difference!!

[Messenger]

Yep, until last night, all 5 of his wins came in NW Vic from a 7 start stay with the Douglas stable. Strange. Would Tamworth be a better class of horse than Mildura Dan?

[Messenger]

Congratulations to Kima but I am guessing that this position was never advertised

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/kima-frenning-joins-hrv-hero-full-time-to-spread-good-word1/

[Messenger]

We have a Melton night meeting starting at 6.09 tonight
Tomorrow we have a Cranbourne twilight meeting starting at 6.13pm
:confused:

[Messenger]

Sofia has moved to Sydney. What happened to the Arvidsson/Craven team?

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=52147

[Theoldfox]

Sofia has moved to Sydney. What happened to the Arvidsson/Craven team?

http://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=52147


aah hemmmm....



Perhaps Craven has lost all animosity towards Bellman

[Messenger]

12yo Really Under Fire has just won R1 at Ballarat. It is his 19th win in his 234 start
You really have to marvel at the longevity of the Standardbred as his winning time of 1.57.6 is not that far off his best winning time of 1.56.7 set 3yrs ago

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA010422#BAC01042210

[Messenger]

I saw this terrible pic promoting Tiger Tara - are nose strips still around?

[Showgrounds]

Yep, widely used.

[Messenger]

I don't know that I saw any at Melton tonight

[Messenger]

I reckon we could take 'easy kill' out of our vernacular
It would sound much better if we just said what we mean - "easy win"

[Messenger]

PP talking some total crap this morning about last night's Ballarat meet

Questioning Greg Sugars drive on La Captain in R8, suggesting he did not go for the lead when it was there for the taking but then pushed the pace. The Lead Time was a couple of seconds faster than average and Q1 in a slick 28.8 - all the leader/winners doing. He also suggests a lack of vigour in the straight - everybody knows (respects) that Greg does not flog his horses, he used the whip, saw the horse was not really responding (and doing its best) and correctly assessed that it was not going to make up the difference

He then makes a whole topic of the race-caller initially going for the leader in R4 before suggesting otherwise. The margin was a nose. He mixes in some Queensland is better than Victoria theme to pad out a topic that was not a topic

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA040522

[aussiebreno]

PP talking some total crap this morning about last night's Ballarat meet


Spot on Kev.


https://peterprofit.com/the-vego-fascist-greyhound-haters-plot-to-disrupt-the-million-dollar-chase-exposed/

Whilst I'm not fan of the protestor, PP calls her a two bit hooker. For a guy who pedals respect for women like this article https://peterprofit.com/happy-international-womens-day-from-the-future-of-the-sport/ it goes to show he has no credibility. Respect for woman when it gains him credit but seemingly went out the window when he forgot to put on a show.

[Messenger]

But Brendan you have to love how he writes ups the 'Dead Horse on Course then Buried in an Asbestos Pit' story for Glenn Douglas and Eric Anderson to commemorate Bernie Winkle breaking the most wins at a track record
Sorry but like he said - they should have got life

[Messenger]

The view from my desk

[Showgrounds]

You don't get better than that Kev.

[Messenger]

I notice that Bernie Winkle's claiming price has come down to $50k, I know that nobody is likely to claim the 9yo but it shows there is no room for sentiment in the Eric Anderson/Douglas barn

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX210522#MXM21052206

[Messenger]

Warragul is a bugger of a location for attracting trainers to their meetings
Hopefully they (with the help of Cranbourne) can become Mildura like in being self sufficient
In the meantime trainers like Andy Gath and the Burnett/Mifsud clan that support them should be commended for being prepared to travel

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=WR230522

[Messenger]

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/wholl-emerge-in-this-years-george-croxford-tribute/

A strange write up for next Tuesday's George $25k Croxford at Echuca
Forgot to mention the odds on favourite Petillante
Mind you, 6 is a horror draw at Echuca

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=EC310522#ECC31052206

[Messenger]

I know some people like the Rewind feature that HRV has ie putting up a Replay of Meltons TrotsVision program
I have not used it before but want to have a look this week
Does anybody know how long they take to put this up?
We are talking Saturday's races and it is now Wednesday

https://www.thetrots.com.au/tv/shows/rewind/

[Messenger]

TAB confusing non West Australians today
Have trots listed as Kellerberrin - no such track on HRA list
It is Central Wheatbelt - HRA has used this name (as usual) today

ps mind you Kellerberrin probably makes more sense

[Messenger]

Shepparton is popular with many trainers but not really Emma Stewart, which has to contribute to its popularity
It is most likely the distance. For a Ballarat trainer it is a good 35 min longer than from Melton
It is even further than going to Warragul
Warragul should be more popular with Melton trainers but the shorter trip than going to Shep is probably balanced out by the toll roads you have to take - they can add up for commercial vehicles

[Messenger]

9yo stallion Soho Tribeca since last breeding season has been back in work. He had one start 3yrs ago but really hasn't truly raced for 4yrs
Desperate or Daring?

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/hes-back-stanley-has-soho-tribeca-set-for-shock-return/

[Showgrounds]

9yo stallion Soho Tribeca since last breeding season has been back in work. He had one start 3yrs ago but really hasn't truly raced for 4yrs
Desperate or Daring?

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/hes-back-stanley-has-soho-tribeca-set-for-shock-return/

A ten year old bull horse, virtually finished as a racehorse in 2018, to contest the 2022 Inter-Dominion? He has eighty-three foals onto ground from his first crop and just stood his second season at a $3,000 fee. So his connections reckon it is a good idea to put him back in work and contest the Inter-Dominion, which falls smack bang in the middle of the breeding season.

I am sure there are some very sound reasons for this story being taken seriously, though I have no idea why. On this one I agree with Darrel Kerrigan's thoughtful analysis of the facts.

[Messenger]

Isn't this a blatant case of a ridiculous entry to make sure a race stands up

[Showgrounds]

It appears that way.

[Messenger]

King Of Swing to stand for $8k

“NSW breeders will only have to pay $6550 with the new incentives up here.”

https://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=52987

Even with the NSW incentive I think it is at least $1,000 too much but they may get away with it as there is little to choose from when it comes to NSW stallions

Rock N Roll Heaven, another Rocknroll Hanover champion, who has been quite successful at stud is $5,600 Early Bird in Vic

[Messenger]

Aaron Dunn is not a regular at Stawell despite coming from the next town up the highway, Horsham
He brought a couple of his super talented 3yo's today and they were expected to win - both starting $1.12
One did but not easily while the other went down

The opposition knew that they were both first up and I liked the feeling I got that the others were not prepared to concede and thus we got 2 good races (5&7)
I wish we saw more of this

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SW270622

[Messenger]

Something we don't see that often, a double header on Friday night - Ballarat & Mildura

[Messenger]

We have the Popular Alm Sprint at Kilmore tomorrow night
It is a rare journey for most of these and a first for some

Max Delight and Honolua Bay have never raced there before
while Shortys Mate and Jilliby Chevy have only ever had 1 start there
Only 3 of the 10 have won there
Supreme Dominator with 3 wins from 4 starts and Bettor Be The Bomb with 2 wins from 6 starts are the standouts while Torrid Saint has 1 win from 9 starts

In total the 10 runners have had 754 starts but only 30 starts at Kilmore (19 from the above three) and only the 6 wins in total

It may be irrelevant but for some reason it jumped out at me

[Messenger]

We are going to need a few more posters to keep the forum ticking over in the next couple of weeks.

I am having minor day surgery on my right hand tomorrow after which I will be restricted to left index finger typing for a while
so I am not imagining I will be posting anything long but we will see how it goes
Third time I have had to have it - anything bad that I could inherit, I aced
Not many people have heard of Dupuytrens

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dupuytrens-contracture/symptoms-causes/syc-20371943#:~:text=Dupuytren's%20(du%2Dpwe%2DTRANZ,f ingers%20into%20a%20bent%20position.

It looks like an old AFL football injury but it isnt

[Theoldfox]

All the best for surgery.....or you could leave those fingers with a hook shape for easier holding of the reins?


We are going to need a few more posters to keep the forum ticking over in the next couple of weeks.

I am having minor day surgery on my right hand tomorrow after which I will be restricted to left index finger typing for a while
so I am not imagining I will be posting anything long but we will see how it goes
Third time I have had to have it - anything bad that I could inherit, I aced
Not many people have heard of Dupuytrens

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dupuytrens-contracture/symptoms-causes/syc-20371943#:~:text=Dupuytren's%20(du%2Dpwe%2DTRANZ,f ingers%20into%20a%20bent%20position.

It looks like an old AFL football injury but it isnt

[Messenger]

There is already enough people out there who think I am a pirate/villain

[Showgrounds]

Single-digit inputted posts are always welcome on this forum Kev. Good luck with the surgery.

[Messenger]

At YV today, 3yo Justalittlesip NZ made it 4/4 since coming over

He is by Franco Ledger NZ and is his only starter so far from 15 named progeny of racing age

He looks like he is the real deal

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG010822#YGC01082201

[Messenger]

I am surprised to see 5yo Hi Manameisjeff, winner of 9 of only 18 starts, in the Claimer on Saturday night

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX130822#MXM13082206

[Messenger]

Archie/peterprofit is letting his dislike of the APG distort his thinking
He is complaining about the claiming race system because Summit bought Sirletic for $28k at the APG mixed sale and now have a $100k price tag on him in a claimer
I am sorry Archie but if I pick up a bargain somewhere – maybe even a painting by a famous artist, I will put whatever value on it that I wish to and will feel no obligation to let you have it for what I bought it for

[Theoldfox]

PP...ramblings of a disgruntled underbidder?:rolleyes::D
What's next? Will he be writing about the property market and capital gain increases for little effort?


Archie/peterprofit is letting his dislike of the APG distort his thinking
He is complaining about the claiming race system because Summit bought Sirletic for $28k at the APG mixed sale and now have a $100k price tag on him in a claimer
I am sorry Archie but if I pick up a bargain somewhere – maybe even a painting by a famous artist, I will put whatever value on it that I wish too and will feel no obligation to let you have it for what I bought it for

[Showgrounds]

I read the story. My take - the ridiculous price scale for claiming races in Victoria. A race for runners where claim prices range between $10,000 and $100,000 is a joke. Sirletic's true value is $28,000 so putting a hundred grand on him ensures he will never be claimed. The next "cheapest" is Sicario who has at least won half a million bucks to justify his $75,000 tag. No hope of him being claimed at that price, probably never while Chris Alford drives him compared with how Daryl Douglas won with him at Kilmore two starts back. 40 to 50 to North America would seem a good around outcome. Nothing like what the owners paid for the horse but that was their call.

But for the money I'm sugesting would you be interested in the 200 start rising 11 year old Love In A Chevy for $50,000? Anyone? I think Archie is highlighting the bleeding obvious. Done properly claimers are good but the price structure HRV is using is off the wall.

[Messenger]

Interesting Trev. Is the problem that Claiming races have not been embraced?
I wonder whether we would have got the same entries if the range was $10k - $50k ?

[Messenger]

As Rob Auber just said - he won like a horse worth $100k

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX130822#MXM13082206

[Showgrounds]

After watching that performance are we expected to believe David Aiken is a spud of a trainer? Obviously, because the stewards have not queried the performance, just took a routine swab. I would be (a) forensically testing the swab for every substance known to mankind; (b) reviewing the stable returns from current and former trainers and transfer of ownership forms (include handwriting and fingerprint experts on that one); and (c) go through all records at APG like a dose of salts, including who entered the horse in the sale, who bid on the horse and who paid for it.

This stinks. The only thing about this race that seemed consistent was Chris Alford's typical poor drive on Sicario - ignore the chance to get a cart-up in the last lap then come 6 and 7 wide on the home turn.

And no, a change of stable environment doesn't cut it for me.

[Messenger]

Giveitatry who was well supported to spoil Catch A Wave's return is owned by the same interests - interesting

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX200822#MXM20082203

[Messenger]

Why was it that Catch A Wave chose to take on the older horses in the Vicbred Gp3 instead of just his own age in the Gp3 Sires?

[Messenger]

There is a first starter in the last at Cranbourne with one of the worst pedigrees I have ever seen - she will probably win lol

[gutwagon]

The other two aren't much better ! Not many stallions around that I've never heard of !

[Messenger]

To be fair Rick, as far as stallions go, Dawn Ofa New Day and Auckland Reactor are a million times better than Uturnbay and the grandsire Screen Play

[gutwagon]

I'm talking about the combined pedigree , at least the Uturnbay runner is a full sibling to a winner ! Yes the other 2 are much better stallions. Hard to believe Uturnbay has 30 foals .

[Showgrounds]

Normal transmission has resumed. The debutante ran last, the trainer's record also remains intact.

[Messenger]

I like Scott Ewen and I hope he has a good one but I think he may have been drinking the same water as the trainers of those recently declared 'Interdom Hopefuls' after they won a race at Melton eg Giveitatry and Arggghhh
He is talking Derbies after Hes Olly won in 2.00.5 at Cranbourne on Sunday night

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR040922#CRC04092207

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/olly-good-show-as-scott-ewens-nz-purchase-scores-for-new-owners/

[Showgrounds]

I like Scott Ewen and I hope he has a good one but I think he may have been drinking the same water as the trainers of those recently declared 'Interdom Hopefuls' after they won a race at Melton eg Giveitatry and Arggghhh
He is talking Derbies after Hes Olly won in 2.00.5 at Cranbourne on Sunday night

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR040922#CRC04092207

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/olly-good-show-as-scott-ewens-nz-purchase-scores-for-new-owners/

The Warragul Derby used to be a handy race but I don't think it has been run in decades.

[Messenger]

I don't know Trev, I have some recollection of Kyle maybe promoting it on here

[Messenger]

I was looking at the breeding of one that I noticed was held up in the 2yo at Hamilton today when I saw where its dam had been cleared to (see attached snip)
So I looked up Harness Racing in the Phillipines and found this story about the very same mare (which I missed at Christmas last year)
Old news for some but I thought there may have been others who missed it like I did

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/victorian-pacers-set-for-a-new-life-in-the-philippines/

[Messenger]

It has been a couple of weeks since we lost Nikita Ross to the gallops and I see it was another 'all male' week on Burning Questions (I don't watch it because of JB)
I think our industry requires more variety

[Messenger]

Emma Stewart sent 3 to Mildura today and came home with 2 wins and a second

You probably want better than 1 winner to justify a 10hr plus road trip for Ballarat to Mildura
That is further than the Adelaide boys take

Driver Connor Clarke picked up 5 other drives for another couple of wins and seconds to make his tally for the day 8 drives - 4 Wins - 3 Seconds

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ML160922

[Messenger]

Shannon O'Sullivan drove the second placegetter in R6 at Bendigo tonight but she would have to laugh about who her conqueror was - Hard Rock Shannon

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN200922#BNC20092205

[Theoldfox]

And also she was driving "Friends" and beaten by her long time friend!

[aussiebreno]

While watching some old footage today there some footage of todays date 20th Oct. From 1984 to be exact. Can anyone name what happened on this day? Should be a popular memory to bring back from some older readers.

[Messenger]

Well Preux Chevalier was winning everything on the Grand Circuit but I only have the year books up to 83 and our absolutely pathetic HRA online records are incomplete for PC's career before 85
84 was only 38yrs ago - sure they were only going digital then but you would think we could do a bit of retrospective data entry for champions

[aussiebreno]

Well Preux Chevalier was winning everything on the Grand Circuit but I only have the year books up to 83 and our absolutely pathetic HRA online records are incomplete for PC's career before 85
84 was only 38yrs ago - sure they were only going digital then but you would think we could do a bit of retrospective data entry for champions
Not him. I did check if you could view results but these look go as far as 85 on that screen with HRA.
I did check this horses race history on HRA and this win is listed on his record on there at least.

[Showgrounds]

While watching some old footage today there some footage of todays date 20th Oct. From 1984 to be exact. Can anyone name what happened on this day? Should be a popular memory to bring back from some older readers.

I am not home until tomorrow night but from the pre-HRA website era a quick perusal of my 1984/85 Year Book should provide an answer.

[Adaptor]

I am not home until tomorrow night but from the pre-HRA website era a quick perusal of my 1984/85 Year Book should provide an answer.

I'm guessing: Preux Chevalier wins the 1984 Whinfield CUP at Moonee Valley. Check out Peter Donegan's pink jacket...but great vision of the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWAwqpCrfQs

[aussiebreno]

I'm guessing: Preux Chevalier wins the 1984 Whinfield CUP at Moonee Valley. Check out Peter Donegan's pink jacket...but great vision of the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWAwqpCrfQs

Nope going by the video that was 8th December.

This was at Moonee Valley though.

Just looking at some of the beaten brigade in that Vic Cup and 2nd horse Panyan interestingly also won on 20th Oct 1984 at MV. V Knight sure got them fit. It was first up 13th Oct. Then from just 20th Oct to 5th Nov won 5/5.

Edit: Do I dare mention similarities with Boncel Benjamin to Panyan going from being driven (possibly trained) by S Duffy to then going to grand circuit horse with new trainer!!

[Messenger]

GOT IT
But I cheated using your Panyan clue Brendan
That enabled me to look up his race on that night from his performance chart which then gave me the meeting code for that night which I could do a search for on Harnessweb

[aussiebreno]

GOT IT
But I cheated using your Panyan clue Brendan
That enabled me to look up his race on that night from his performance chart which then gave me the meeting code for that night which I could do a search for on Harnessweb
Well done tracking it down! I thought the Panyan clue would help get on right track. There was also one sneaky little clue in my first post!

I didn't realise Harnessweb had all that historical stuff. Thats excellent!

[Messenger]

It is just the same info that the HRA search provides but can be useful for different approaches - unfortunately still has the same massive gaps that the other has. It has to be remembered that you really cannot rely on the HRA db before 91 (eg Village Kid never won any 89 Inter Heats)

Good little tidbit/quiz Brendan - you will have to do more

ps I hope I have not absolutely given it away despite my BIG clue

LOL I just read your first clue - massive compared to mine

[Messenger]

I cannot say I am a Halloween fan but on TrotsVision they showed some footage of 4 children dressed up with their ponies in the parade ring. I hope they got them to do the length of the home straight for as we all know, the parade ring at Melton may as well be in Siberia as far as the number of viewers it attracts

[Messenger]

What has become of Major Moth - injury, OS, ? - he has not raced this year

[Mytwobobsworth]

What has become of Major Moth - injury, OS, ? - he has not raced this year

Trialled somewhere the other day. I’m thinking Ballarat.

[Adaptor]

Trialled somewhere the other day. I’m thinking Ballarat.


Here's the video from the Ballarat Trials last Tuesday.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BDTC150

[Messenger]

Thanks Noel. Trial 4 No.1 if anyone wants to watch

[Yabbie]

What has become of Major Moth - injury, OS, ? - he has not raced this year

yes injury, but he seems to be on the right track to make a return to racing

[Messenger]

Is this a serious (late) entry or just someone trying to help a race stand up for someone else. The horse is also entered for a 57-68 race on Friday.
Ballarat Saturday:

[Messenger]

R2 at Shep tonight - I loved Dan's call
Knowing Dan, I am pretty sure it was deliberate
At one point he calls
The Wolf, The Wolf in front

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP291122#SPM29112203

[Yabbie]

What has become of Major Moth - injury, OS, ? - he has not raced this year

Update for you : The Moth is nominated to race at Melton on ID finals night

[Messenger]

Wondering about Joanna? Jackie Barker (on Stawell Cup TrotsVision coverage) just mentioned that she has been retired due to injury

[Messenger]

3yo filly Encipher has now earned $500,000
Looking back at her record I was somewhat surprised that she has been beaten 7 times (5 seconds mind you) and thought I would have a look at who had

1 Irish Black Label (a stablemate) - what has become of her? (most likely injured as she has not raced as a 3yo)
2 Playing Up (a stablemate) - she has not raced for 7 months
3 Petillante (stablemate)
4 Sounds Perfect (stablemate) - another who has not raced as a 3yo
5 Fiamma (stablemate) - another who has not raced as a 3yo
6 Amore Vita - now a stablemate but wasn't at the time
7 Just Hope

[Messenger]

Merry Christmas Everyone
Stay healthy

[thepacingman]

Unisex name caught out the caller at Mildura last night. Race 9.
Jordan Chibnall. "having a night to remember tonight, another winner for him. :confused:

[Messenger]

That would have been because Mr Mildura - Luke Humphreys was on holiday

[Messenger]

Not a lot held on R1 at Boort today
(but see next post)

[Messenger]

But even this small amount in the Win pool must have come very late and the pool could not have been much more than $100 at start time as No.1 was long odds on fav and although a late scratching after official start time it only resulted in $65 in deductions

[Messenger]

Boort Punters Club got involved in R4 and put $400 of their $1,000 at $2.25 on Justburnforu and they burned their money big time
They must have a clown in charge - on this small track the horse who had only had 3 lifetime starts as a 3yo and < $5k in earnings had drawn 6/6 and had Alex Ashwood driving
Creative Lad won and took his earnings to over $100k

[Messenger]

I love small track racing but it is a bit of an indictment on the track when a horse who has won 1 of 32 but drawn 1 can beat a horse that has won 11 of 138 drawn 4

[Messenger]

Jason Bonnington, Nikkita Ross and Kima Frenning will head-up the TrotsVision coverage from Shepparton, with Lachlan McIntosh to call the eight races.

Is Nikkita back from the gallops?

[Messenger]

13yo Really Under Fire made it two in a row for the year at Charlton today

Jason Grimson might be interested but then again he prefers them out of form

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CH130123#CHC13012304

ps Shortest winner today $2.30 and the average was about $11 and that was not due to one biggie (longest price was $34)

[Messenger]

This is from a week ago but in case you missed it
Bondi Lockdown is returning from his 3mth bleeding ban and has trialed at Menangle

https://harnesslink.com/australia/bondi-lockdown-back-on-track/

[Showgrounds]

This is from a week ago but in case you missed it
Bondi Lockdown is returning from his 3mth bleeding ban and has trialed at Menangle

https://harnesslink.com/australia/bondi-lockdown-back-on-track/

Good luck to them but, in reality, he is only a tough run away from a one-way trip to the USA and lasix for the rest of his career. I see Lochinvar Art trialled last week so he would be in good company.

I see South Coast Arden is on his way to Paul Fitzpatrick for the remainder of his Australasian career. Michael Guerin's report doesn't mention why and the horse's connections don't say either. A hint - watch the horse drop out to last in the NZ Cup on 8 November when he stopped quickly and hasn't been seen since. I suggest Sydney is his last stop before the USA should all else fail.

[Messenger]

Ah lasix - the fear of not being able to use it, the reason why Americans are fighting against HISA (Horseracing Integrity and Safety Authority)

[Messenger]

Have a listen to the finish of R3 at Cranbourne last night
You might be able to hear how excited the stable get when they have a winner - good stuff

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR260123#CRC26012309

[Messenger]

Me thinks there was no racing in Vic today because there was originally supposed to be a function on this day - cost cutting?

[Messenger]

A late start at Warragul today (1.53) - maybe they didn't want to clash with the Superbowl ;)

[Messenger]

When I saw that there was another dead heat at Charlton yesterday, I went straight to the replay to see if Luke may have called it (he called the one at Mildura the previous night)

He went for the one on the outside, when you look at this enlargement of the photo (that we can see in the results) you wonder whether he might not have been right

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CH150223#CHC15022305

[Messenger]

Nothing for metro pacers at Melton on Saturday night but we do have 3 Metro paces for $20k at Ballarat on Friday night

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA240223

[Messenger]

Looking at the breeding of 3yo first starter Gawn, I noticed he is a ¾ bro to Petillante

What I found just as interesting (and had not noticed before) was the fact that Petillante was raced solely by Clayton Tonkin as a 3yo last season
She was a good 2yo too so why would the other owners relinquish their shares - maybe Clayton made them a great offer