Ch2 ODDS AND ENDS - not big enough for a thread of their own

[aussiebreno]

No cheating for another 24 hours:

30 years ago today Robert Dunn got a race to race double culminating in the Hunter Cup.

Name the Hunter Cup winner and the runner up:

On the same night there were 4x Derby heats. Winsome Eagle took out a heat for David Aiken. Great Celebration took out a heat for Robbie & Russell Jack. Name the 2 other heat winners, one of which won the final the next week.

Can you also name the 2nd horse in the Vic Derby who later got revenge in the NSW Derby with the quinella reversed?

The Hunter Cup quinella and Vic Derby winner then went on to trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

[Toohard]

No cheating for another 24 hours:

30 years ago today Robert Dunn got a race to race double culminating in the Hunter Cup.

Name the Hunter Cup winner and the runner up:

On the same night there were 4x Derby heats. Winsome Eagle took out a heat for David Aiken. Great Celebration took out a heat for Robbie & Russell Jack. Name the 2 other heat winners, one of which won the final the next week.

Can you also name the 2nd horse in the Vic Derby who later got revenge in the NSW Derby with the quinella reversed?

The Hunter Cup quinella and Vic Derby winner then went on to trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

I can't remember last week these days Brenno but just asked Luke at dinner and he got them right without cheating (not all).

Hunter Cup winner - Master Musician
2nd - Blossom Lady

Got 1 of the Derby Heat winners - Golden Reign who won final.

And them 3 trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

[Messenger]

Luke is a walking encyclopedia of harness racing

[aussiebreno]

I can't remember last week these days Brenno but just asked Luke at dinner and he got them right without cheating (not all).

Hunter Cup winner - Master Musician
2nd - Blossom Lady

Got 1 of the Derby Heat winners - Golden Reign who won final.

And them 3 trifecta the Hunter Cup 2 years later.

Great job Luke.

For those playing at home.

2nd horse in the Derby who got revenge in NSW was Young Mister Charles.

Other heat winner (3rd in final) was Chandon.

[Messenger]

How an industry as small as Australian harness racing has ended up with two $1million slot races on the same night defies belief.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the-forum/guerin/guerin-big-guns-return-as-charge-to-the-race-intensifies/

Guerin is talking about the NZ Race and the WA Nullarbor isn't he?

When did NZ become part of Australia?!

[aussiebreno]

How an industry as small as Australian harness racing has ended up with two $1million slot races on the same night defies belief.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the-forum/guerin/guerin-big-guns-return-as-charge-to-the-race-intensifies/

Guerin is talking about the NZ Race and the WA Nullarbor isn't he?

When did NZ become part of Australia?!

WA is also basically a seperate state!

What horses are missing from each race? Would Louis have gone to NZ with the stronger depth there anyway? If races spaced apart would Louis have travelled to both WA and NZ?

[Messenger]

Maybe some harness people do take long weekends.
Despite metro stakes we have two 5 horse and one 6 horse race at Melton tonight

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX110323

[Messenger]

In the last at Yarra Valley today we see Peace Of Art's last ever foal - 4yo Timely Magic make her debut. POA had 369 foals and now 198 starters but he never really made an impact

[aussiebreno]

Flemingon tagline on promo video on Tiktok "Eat, drink, dance, repeat"
Not a single horse shown in the video just happy snaps of those partying.
Its always been the case a day at the races is social but its next level the horses not even being part of the promo.

[Messenger]

Good eyes Brendan. May be an interesting tactic. Maybe just having Flemington and when in promo is enough of a reminder for anyone who may go for the horses

[Messenger]

There has been a problem with Fields and Results not being available tonight, I am thinking the problem is probably with RISE as you cannot get them for any state, and the rest of HRV and HRA's websites are working

[Messenger]

You can get them now on HRA but HRV doesn't even have it's 4 day calendar section where you click for Fields etc on its Homepage - very strange

[Messenger]

HRV back to normal - I think they just needed someone to tell them

[Messenger]

I may have written about this in the past but who cares as my namesake Lotakevi won again today
He is now an 11yo who has won 11 of 170 starts
What a great interest and despite his strike rate not being stunning if you had put $10 the win on him every start
your $1,700 would now be $2,805. Not a bad little return

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=AR310323#ARC31032301

[Messenger]

It is the 2nd heat of the E K Bray at Bendigo tonight and I want some more details. You usually go to the Form Guide for such info
But as you can see below it is lacking detail and instead refers me to the Yarra Valley meet on Mar.31 - how am I supposed to access that on April 4?

[aussiebreno]

Used to be able to go Meeting Calendar > Programme Search and it would still bring up past meetings so you could find info like that out, but appears you can no longer view past meetings through that way.

[aussiebreno]

If going to have a go at somebody mistaking a name https://peterprofit.com/you-got-the-wrong-sinatra-mr-thomas/ you would think in the next 48 hours you wouldn't get names confused either https://peterprofit.com/nat-is-back-in-town-its-a-shame-for-her-that-mark-is-too/

[Messenger]

Off topic but I love Stawell. If you get a chance to see a replay of today's Stawell Gift. Kieren Mundine who came last was one of the most incredible runs I have ever seen. He stumbled coming out of the blocks and nearly face-planted, but did not give up and was only beaten by < 0.2secs by the winner = 2 metres. I reckon he might have won by at least that without the stumble

[Messenger]

What has happened to Captain Confetti?
Put in a shocker in the last at Bendigo tonight
A year ago he had just come off 3 wins in a row at Melton
That had brought his record since coming over from NZ to 8 wins and 10 places from 27 starts
After those 3 Melton wins he dropped off but typical of the Douglas stable he was not spelled for another 17 starts (for two placings) which made his first campaign for them, one of 44 starts in 12mths

Maybe the vet examination will show something

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN280423#BNC28042301

Replays for the last two not up yet - I am guessing they have gone home and they wont be up until tomorrow

[Showgrounds]

What has happened to Captain Confetti?
Put in a shocker in the last at Bendigo tonight
A year ago he had just come off 3 wins in a row at Melton
That had brought his record since coming over from NZ to 8 wins and 10 places from 27 starts
After those 3 Melton wins he dropped off but typical of the Douglas stable he was not spelled for another 17 starts (for two placings) which made his first campaign for them, one of 44 starts in 12mths

Maybe the vet examination will show something

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN280423#BNC28042301

Replays for the last two not up yet - I am guessing they have gone home and they wont be up until tomorrow

He is a Sweet Lou horse, most of which seem to have a short "best before" date.

[Messenger]

So would the suggestion be to race him 44 times in 12mths or space them?

[Showgrounds]

So would the suggestion be to race him 44 times in 12mths or space them?

The stable is not renowned for planning race programs for individual horses. It's more a case of see an eligible race, enter the horse. Regardless of the quality of the opposition.

The horses spell on the float going to and from the races.

[Messenger]

Yes, the horses seem to be just a commodity to them
They are infamous for how they dispose of them
A_b_s_o_ P_t

[Theoldfox]

The stable is not renowned for planning race programs for individual horses. It's more a case of see an eligible race, enter the horse. Regardless of the quality of the opposition.

The horses spell on the float going to and from the races.

You missed a step, it's more like......"see eligible race, enter the horse, CALL ELLEN TORMEY TO MEND THE FENCE, go to race regardless of quality of the opposition.

[Messenger]

We had Sahara Miss provide a double at Mildura last weekend and last night Kateeshar provided a double with Byrneside Boom and Arggghhh

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX290423

Kateeshar never raced, nor did any of her siblings but they were out of outstanding juvenile Nemeeshar

I wish our records were better (bloody terrible!). Nemeeshar was bred in WA and briefly started her racing career there but then came East. I would have liked to have known if she was sold. Nothing decent online before 2013 (once again I say - how backward were our administrators) and the details you can get from the results earlier than this, tell you nothing more than the driver - even if you have the appropriate Year Book, you won't find out anything more than the driver of the winner

[aussiebreno]

We had Sahara Miss provide a double at Mildura last weekend and last night Kateeshar provided a double with Byrneside Boom and Arggghhh

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX290423

Kateeshar never raced, nor did any of her siblings but they were out of outstanding juvenile Nemeeshar

I wish our records were better (bloody terrible!). Nemeeshar was bred in WA and briefly started her racing career there but then came East. I would have liked to have known if she was sold. Nothing decent online before 2013 (once again I say - how backward were our administrators) and the details you can get from the results earlier than this, tell you nothing more than the driver - even if you have the appropriate Year Book, you won't find out anything more than the driver of the winner

You just need to go to a meeting result eg 16th Dec 2002 Gloucester Park. Will show you owners name at that meeting (for the winning horse). Then click on the horse. The starts summary in that section then tells trainers name. Click on race results at leisure where you can then also see owners names (when horse in question is the winner).

[aussiebreno]

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?search

Or this direct link to search horses is better

[Messenger]

You dont think I have all these on my Favourites Bar Brendan lol

It cannot believe that I didn't do that

Memory is going - I knew there was some way of doing better than 2013

[aussiebreno]

You dont think I have all these on my Favourites Bar Brendan lol

It cannot give you the results that they have not entered

But it does show results before 2013 and if you went through here you would have been able to tell Neemeeshar had same owners all along and Tindale was trainer before transferring to Davies.

[Messenger]

Good to see the same owners - not that common to see a WA breeder send one over

[Messenger]

But it does show results before 2013 and if you went through here you would have been able to tell Neemeeshar had same owners all along and Tindale was trainer before transferring to Davies.

That way does but if you use results

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/results/?activeTab=tab

The earliest year is 2013

[Messenger]

We need to have the search commonly used (see below)

https://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/search

Take you to the 'real results' when you use the Racing Performances to click on a race - instead of the terrible ones they take us to

[aussiebreno]

That way does but if you use results

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/results/?activeTab=tab

The earliest year is 2013

Under the calendar on the right hand side just hit 'Monthly Results'. From here you can narrow down the search to Month, State and Year (back to 1985 ).

[Messenger]

Under the calendar on the right hand side just hit 'Monthly Results'. From here you can narrow down the search to Month, State and Year (back to 1985).

Thank You Thank You Brendan

I was somewhat shocked that it was 2013 - I would have sworn (correctly) that it was better than that

That is a little glitch - you should not have to hit monthly
(I will let HRA know about that)

Still need the traditional search to be better - the reason being that if you are starting from last night's results and click on Kateeshar it takes you to the traditional search results and you forget and use the Racing Performances tab which gives the results but only takes you to a crappy version of individual races

[Messenger]

He is a Sweet Lou horse, most of which seem to have a short "best before" date.

We will have to see how this pans out as it is still early days with his oldest only 6yo's and most of his progeny under 4 years old

[aussiebreno]

https://peterprofit.com/its-always-good-to-know-how-to-spell-your-mates-clients-names/

https://peterprofit.com/whats-the-go-with-glenn-munise/

Fancy just mere hours after making a mistake with Munsie's name posting an article bagging someone for making a 1 letter mistake with somebody else's name.

[Messenger]

4yo mare White Star Molly had won 2 of 49 starts before 22yo trainer Tom Rundle took her on. She is going for 6 in a row at Ballarat tomorrow night
(But strikes good Stewart 3yo filly Tiffs Little Sister - who is Princess Tiffany's little sister)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BA190523#BAC19052303

Here is a story about Tom from this time last year

https://harnesslink.com/australia/two-from-two-and-steaming-ahead/

[Messenger]

R8 Charlton today Jilliby Retro paid
$3.10 Win
$3.10 Place
(somebody went a bit hard at Spring Blue - $1.04 Place)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CH250523#CHC25052302

[Messenger]

Mare Dream Wave has only begun racing as a 5yo and after tonight is 4 wins from 4 starts
She is a full sister to Classy Western (2008) plus a half sis to Classy Guy and The Gingerbreadman
I am a little worried about the longevity of this family as Classy is deceased as are his 2012 and 2015 siblings
Hmm

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CR280523#CRC28052303

[KTQ]

Anyone see the 9th at Echuca last night? What a catch by the catcher! (IMO should have been a non race once the horse caught the field)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=EC300523

[Messenger]

Thanks for the tip Katie
I have certainly watched it now and it was magnificent horsemanship by the clerk of the course
I might go along with the stewards and their actions on allowing the race

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=EC300523#ECC30052311

[Messenger]

14yo Baccarat notches up his 4th win for the season in Vic. 2 lots of back to back victories
Surprising? He won 7 last season as a 13yo

https://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=61225

[Messenger]

Either PP or the sender of the email to the WA Minister for Education, need to do a better job of redacting - it is easy to read their name

[Messenger]

Ararat rarely has any luck in regards to weather.
I reckon they will be lucky to go ahead tonight
Halls Gap is a different beast but we are only 40mins away and we have had over 2 inches of rain in the last 30hrs

[Messenger]

Ararat rarely has any luck in regards to weather.
I reckon they will be lucky to go ahead tonight
Halls Gap is a different beast but we are only 40mins away and we have had over 2 inches of rain in the last 30hrs

We have had newly formed rivers here!
But looking at the radar it could all be gone well before R1 at 5.30 :D

[Messenger]

It came back and how unlucky Aaron Dunn, Kevin Von Duve and Taylor Ford who were only there for the abandoned R9

[Messenger]

Tonight's Kilmore now at Melton is good

[Messenger]

PP had a very bad day on Wednesday.

As most would be aware we were the victim of a hoax late Wednesday afternoon, .......
To Summit Bloodstock and the individuals concerned we again say mea culpa and sorry.

[strong persuader]

In this age of millionaire babies taking all the headlines how about a quinella in which the combined age of the horses involved is 24!

On Wednesday night, Don Boston, age 14, won his 47th race and our horse Mister Haywood, age 10, ran 2nd.

Both horses have overcome career threatening injuries and are racing in great shape proving once again, age is only a number.

https://www-harness-org-au.akamaized.net/nsw/BHC05072308.mp4

By the way, the quinella paid $25.30, and a few of the people involved had it for a nice return.

[Showgrounds]

Don Boston is a grand old horse, but how good is his mum Full Pleasure? What For, her 12th live foals, recently became her 12th winner. Five of them have earned more than a quarter of a million, how good is she? Her richest earner Kept for Pleasure is also a gem.

[Messenger]

PP needs to do his research a bit better - they weren't racing at Melton last night

sorry about the width but canvas reduction is not working on Paint 3d for me this morning

[Messenger]

Why are so many of the Lee horses called Keayang ...... ?
Did the Lees own the Terang property Keayang?

[Messenger]

I have been told that champion horse (10 Gp.1's) and sire Ready Cash has passed away at only 18 due to colic

[Messenger]

Terrible thinking by me, I know, but I could not help but wonder whether Kima had to start producing stories to keep her job in this time of cutbacks

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/watch-john-yeomans-hopeful-he-has-young-classic-in-his-camp/

[Messenger]

Kate Gath wearing the Cordina colours on Catch A Wave tonight - is that whose slot they are representing in the Eureka?

[KTQ]

There's an unraced 13 yo trialing in WA at the moment. The owner was promised by the trainer that he'd get it to the races by the time it reaches the enforced age cut off. Time is running out but you've really got to hand it to owners and trainers who are so dedicated to the sport and the love of their geegees. I hope he makes it!!
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PA060923#PAA06092302 (So Sancho trial 1)

[Messenger]

Does Kima Frenning sell helmets? I noticed the helmet David Moran was wearing at Melton tonight had her name on it

[Showgrounds]

Does Kima Frenning sell helmets? I noticed the helmet David Moran was wearing at Melton tonight had her name on it

He might now identify as a kima fremming. I even know people who identify as horse trainers!

[Messenger]

Noel would have liked this card I found (it could have been as early as 1890's)
I also found this quote:
In the early 1920's Webster's Dictionary defined a sulky as "so called from the owner's desire to ride alone."

[trish]

Just looking at the races for Saturday & an article says its racing for 38 million at both Randwick and Caulfield . Bloody hell �� .
Would love to know Harness racings prizemoney budget for the year in Sydney.

[Messenger]

Just looking at the races for Saturday & an article says its racing for 38 million at both Randwick and Caulfield . Bloody hell �� .
Would love to know Harness racings prizemoney budget for the year in Sydney.

I do know that prizemoney and bonuses for Vic will be $47m for this coming year

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/hrv-announces-cost-saving-initiatives-and-prizemoney-reductions/

[Messenger]

The trainer of one of tomorrow's Cox Plate runners

“He’d work, go to the pub and have a punt,” he says.

“That’s how I got it [the bug]. I used to go to the TAB with him on a Saturday or so, and occasionally, if I had to go get him out of a pub, there’d be an SP there with a place card, and he’d give me one, and I’d fill it out.

“Also, on a Saturday night, you’d watch the trots at the Showgrounds on The Penthouse Club, and I’d make sure on a Thursday I’d buy the Truth and try and pick the last five winners. I never picked the last five winners ever.

“The broadcasters, the trainers, the jockeys, the horses, they were cult figures in those days. It was ingrained in me as a young kid living in Footscray at the time that it [the Cox Plate] is such a great race and such a great sport to be involved in.”

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/racing/the-battler-who-turned-an-80-000-horse-into-a-million-dollar-winner-20231025-p5eex2.html

Yes, once harness racing had a profile

[Messenger]

PP is reporting that the Victorian Bookmakers Association which guarantees a bookie will pay you out (gallops only/mostly, I think) has been swindled and that the supposed fund which supposedly held as much as $100million has been discovered to be empty after the death of its sole operator. If true, many bookmakers have lost their retirement savings

[Showgrounds]

PP is reporting that the Victorian Bookmakers Association which guarantees a bookie will pay you out (gallops only/mostly, I think) has been swindled and that the supposed fund which supposedly held as much as $100million has been discovered to be empty after the death of its sole operator. If true, many bookmakers have lost their retirement savings

The Great Bookie Robbery II. No guns and gangs involved this time, just a lot of poor suckers.

[Messenger]

According to the VBA it would seem to be no 'Great' Robbery but a figure under $2m. Worst comes to worst, I am sure the bookies collective can cover it

[Showgrounds]

According to the VBA it would seem to be no 'Great' Robbery but a figure under $2m. Worst comes to worst, I am sure the bookies collective can cover it

I think, when things settle down, the VBA will look like a ship of fools. It is pretty easy for them to deny some of PP's claims only to admit they are unsure and are still awaiting explanations. Many, many more millions will have disappeared than what the VBA is admitting.

[Messenger]

Yes, it is looking likely Trev - going on The Age article published this afternoon:

The bookmakers’ association fears its $1.8 million investment is gone days before the biggest events on the spring racing calendar, including the Melbourne Cup, while one private investor could also be out of pocket an estimated $11 million.

Bookmakers have also privately invested millions of dollars with the law firm, seeking high returns on first mortgagor loans. A bookmaking source said they believe they had lost their investments.

[Messenger]

Tough Tilly, one of Victoria’s greatest ever racemares, has been retired and will be mated with the 2020 USA Horse of the Year Tall Dark Stranger. Bred and owned by Benstud Standardbreds, the Captaintreacherous mare won 17 races including six at Group level and a whopping $618,333 in stakes.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/the-forum/wharton/wharton-trotters-derby-winners-breeding-not-as-promised/?fbclid=IwAR3qLAvR7o5iEXKl4j5i4gnGJGbQ6mSOfpvzPRKi jEuMU48RPHkxK0WqDcM

[trish]

Just looking at results for Penrith last night....FALCON SEELSTER ?? Really ??
Falcon Seelster was 29 when he was put down in 2011.
The Falcon Strike aged 15 , died 12 years ago & he was by Falcon Seelster .


2 6:44pm SKY RACING ACTIVE PACE 2125M
$9,792 NR up to 53. PBD/L5$. PACERS. Mobile Final Result
1 SELSEY BILL NZ $ 5,184 Fr1 1 Laurence Dawson Jack Brown (C,cl) $ 5.00 GS L BL 1 SWAB
BAY GELDING 4 by FALCON SEELSTER USA out of DIANA BROMAC (NZ) (HOLMES HANOVER USA)

[trish]

We put a mare in foal to him 17 years ago!!!!

Good story & the video is priceless. He was a super horse.

https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/9-18-11/falcon-seelster-euthanized.html

[Messenger]

Just looking at results for Penrith last night....FALCON SEELSTER ?? Really ??
Falcon Seelster was 29 when he was put down in 2011.
The Falcon Strike aged 15 , died 12 years ago & he was by Falcon Seelster .


2 6:44pm SKY RACING ACTIVE PACE 2125M
$9,792 NR up to 53. PBD/L5$. PACERS. Mobile Final Result
1 SELSEY BILL NZ $ 5,184 Fr1 1 Laurence Dawson Jack Brown (C,cl) $ 5.00 GS L BL 1 SWAB
BAY GELDING 4 by FALCON SEELSTER USA out of DIANA BROMAC (NZ) (HOLMES HANOVER USA)

Wow. He was a 1982 colt. I didn't know you could keep using frozen semen forever and a day. I am sure, I read a year or two ago that there would be no more Somebeachsomewhere and I thought there must have been a limit on how long you could keep using frozen semen. Maybe there is now? I notice Falcon Seelster has not had any foals since 2020

[Beltane]

Champion sire, Fake Left was still siring winners 18 years after he passed on:

https://www.racingqueensland.com.au/news/april-2019/fake-left-siring-winners-18-years-after-death

[trish]

Wow. He was a 1982 colt. I didn't know you could keep using frozen semen forever and a day. I am sure, I read a year or two ago that there would be no more Somebeachsomewhere and I thought there must have been a limit on how long you could keep using frozen semen. Maybe there is now? I notice Falcon Seelster has not had any foals since 2020

Thought the same Kev, re dead sire frozen semen.

[halfyourluck]

Falcon Seelster's influence ongoing
Falcon Seelster sired the very good sire McArdle
In turn McArdle sired the very good sire Tintin In America
Tintin In America sired the superstar filly Shartin NZ - as an aged mare was voted US Horse Of The Year, are rare feat for a mare and even more creditable when she came from Australasia
She took a time of 1.46.4 and won nearly 2 &1/2 million, including a million in one season
A month ago at Lexington Yearling sale her first foal, a filly by Capt Treacherous, sold for $140,000 to the bid of Tony Alagna (trainer of the Captain) who later said she had been purchased for Richard Poillucci, who was the original purchaser when Shartin was sold to the US. He had sold her to her current owners as a broodmare when she retired from racing.

So Falcon Seelster's influence is still being seen at the top levels, albeit from a distance these days.

[Messenger]

Geelong is one of the tracks that can host mile races and just the same they bastardize the track by running 1140m races. WTF

[Jasper]

Four races out of eight where 1140 metres, I suspect we have to get used to these types of races. Not a huge fan on what I have seen in WA.

One of the 1140 winners ,Johnny Redcoat is a 12 yo and has only ever been trained by one person and has had 247 starts! The trainer is JH Barker (the driver has the same surname, so I am assuming that they are related) so that is an amazing effort for both horse and trainer. Must be a story there.

[aussiebreno]

Certainly not my first choice given we can never match dogs or gallops for speed. Havent watched many races but am told those at the back dont have much chance.

However, I dont think we (the whole industry) can constantly bemoan the fall of the industry and question whats being done and then turn around and be upset about 90 second racing. I am sure studies would suggest younger generation have a short attention span and I am sure the TAB are pushing screen time so whether we like it or not I think its a space we need to get into. We just have to go full noise on it rather than very sporadic so punters and trainer/drivers can figure out the way races are run and we can optomise these 90 second races.

[Messenger]

My point was that Geelong can/did also run short 'world accepted mile races' so why do they need to run these races - for the sake of 30 secs?!

[Messenger]

Four races out of eight where 1140 metres, I suspect we have to get used to these types of races. Not a huge fan on what I have seen in WA.

One of the 1140 winners ,Johnny Redcoat is a 12 yo and has only ever been trained by one person and has had 247 starts! The trainer is JH Barker (the driver has the same surname, so I am assuming that they are related) so that is an amazing effort for both horse and trainer. Must be a story there.

Daniel, the Barkers are pretty much as recognizable a name in Vic harness racing as Hall is in WA.
Jim (89yo) who trains Johnny is the Grandfather of Jackie who drove it (her dad is Rod)
Jim has won our highest award 'The Gordon Rothacker' medal
You need to brush up on your East Coast knowledge LOL

One way is to click on drivers and trainers names in the fields or results
You will then see tabs for Current Stats, Career Stats and Biography
However for a legend like Jim they are misleading in that they only start from 2000

[aussiebreno]

My point was that Geelong can/did also run short 'world accepted mile races' so why do they need to run these races - for the sake of 30 secs?!
Haven't cited truthfulness but second result on google when searching 'average attention span' is this article

https://www.wyzowl.com/human-attention-span/

It says the average attention span has shrunk 25% from 2000 to 2015. A mile race to 1140m race around that 25% less.

An extra 30 seconds of lead in time on Sky could be quite handy for punting dollar as well (if we were to use that extra 30 seconds as lead in time).

[Messenger]

You're probably right Brendan but I am not going to become a dog racing convert either
While I am at it - one of the world's biggest cons right now is all the city folk being sucker enough to adopt a greyhound - I hope they come with $1,000 for taking a problem off their hands (and letting them pretend they are not killing 1000's of dogs)

[aussiebreno]

You're probably right Brendan but I am not going to become a dog racing convert either

Its not my cuppa tea either Kev and I've probably argued against short racing numerous times in the past but we are in dire straights!

[aussiebreno]

Hey Kev - heres one for you. Going through a horse from the 80s and looking at its starts on HRA Online. Apparently it didn't start at Menangle, it started at Tabcorp Park Menangle!

[Messenger]

I think Menangle might have to send Tabcorp an 'Account Outstanding' for advertising from the 80's

[Messenger]

Does the Bendigo track need a lighting upgrade? Other than the finishing post area, the vision on TrotsVision looks pretty dull - decidedly yellowish

[Bonnie]

Yes, Hurricane Harley thinks it needs an upgrade. Too many shadows to jump on the top turn. It puts him off his game !

[Messenger]

I see Fides has scratched from his comeback run at Melton on Saturday night - I hope he is OK

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX091223#MXM09122302

[Messenger]

Have a great Christmas Day everyone, I am especially hoping Mr Brown can :)

[Messenger]

As the article states : it is a good thing that Wedderburn decided not to resume racing until 2025

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/deluge-floods-rebuilding-wedderburn-in-christmas-shock/

[Messenger]

I am a playing card collector. I would like to have this old deck

[trish]

Next gallop race at the Gold Coast is a maiden worth $250 thousand.

[Messenger]

The fields are out for Charlton's day meeting on Friday even if HRV are not listing it

[Messenger]

Looking at R1 at Stawell today, I would not rule out that the favourite drawn the outside of the front row, may not have scored up with them because he did not like the high fence on his outside.
Of course he may have just been in a mood but he has definitely shown better mobile speed than that in the past.
It did not matter as Jackie B still got him home

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SW260124#SWC26012405

[Jasper]

Another interesting race re Northam race 5 (disclosure bit again re having a horse in it). In the first 100 mtres or so it appears a horse (Yankee Lincoln) gained a benefit by using the sprint lane. I am not saying there is anything untoward or intent to gain an advantage, more a racing type thing but it is something I have not seen or noticed before.

[Messenger]

No wonder one our posters left Yamba

Big Ben was 6.8 metres long and ruled Alligator Creek in Yaamba, near Rockhampton, nearly 150 years ago. After he was killed, his stomach was said to contain “assorted” human bones.CREDIT:STATE LIBRARY OF QUEENSLAND

[trish]

Blood Hell . And now you know why....hahaha

[Messenger]

Multiple Group 1 harness racing winner Jilliby Kung Fu (Four Starzzz Shark) has died due to complications following surgery.

https://harnesslink.com/australia/group-one-winning-pacer-dies/

[Jasper]

Terrible news. Huge fan of that horse, so fast and tough.

[trish]

I just had to put this in somewhere... In the Blue Diamond....Rue De Royale , has had 3 starts for 2 seconds & won $593 thousand.

Unbelieveable . I feel that we were & are in the wrong game everyone.

Funny Mark , my mate had a galloper when we meet & I told him to get rid of it. How stupid of me.

[Messenger]

Good decision by HRV to cancel today's Horsham yesterday (It got to 40 there today)
Strange that gallops thought it OK to proceed with Stawell races.
I reckon many are having a long trip home what with the Western Hwy being closed between Ararat and Beaufort
I saw the Maher racing truck pulled over by the boys in blue in Ararat this morning
Just before that I had seen a strange little cloud on the ridge as we approached Ararat - very strange on a hot blue sky day
Once we got to Buangor it was clear what it was
We were in Beaufort for early lunch at 11.30 and the bakery lady did not seem concerned about what was going on up the Hwy - I was very concerned
F#(&!$ fires, I am over them. Neighbouring Pomonal and now Beaufort
Weather gods please give them a break and kill the wind with the change
Fingers crossed it is happening as Ballarat's peak gust at 6.30 was half of what it had been earlier

[Messenger]

I have heard the suggestion that there could have been a margin in R2 at Horsham today but with Royal Division being a monster of a horse it was impossible to see the little 3yo so they erred on the side of being fair to both

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=HS110324#HSC11032406

[trish]

PP writes that Qld could have a $500 thousand race for 2yo's. It will be interesting to see if any will make it through to 3.

[trish]

No horse is fully developed at 2.

[trish]

Well done Zara Fitzpatrick on winning at Penrith with your first drive, the result was meant to be.
Great drive.

[Messenger]

About midnight last night PP predicted that Ryan Hryhohrec would have trouble getting My Ultimate Levi to the Broken Hill Cup tonight

3.41 today Late Scratching R4 No.5 My Ultimate Levi - Float Breakdown

[Jasper]

One of the more bizarre stories of the year re prediction and outcome. That race was worth quite a bit of money too.

The BH meeting was brilliant to watch, would be good to have a Sky team there next year. Same with Busselton.

[trish]

Well done Zara Fitzpatrick on winning at Penrith with your first drive, the result was meant to be.
Great drive.

And Zara did it again at Newcastle, running her 1st quarter in 25.7 . Debonaire won with ease.

A 16 yo girl , from a great Harness Racing family, has 2 wins from her 1st 2 drives & no one has written anything on a harness racing site??
PP has & I have also but why wouldn't this create a story & intrest from HR media??
She drives & sits in the gig , just like her dad.

[Messenger]

They are certain to cover it Trish, they're just a bit slow other than for facebook

[Messenger]

Does anybody know why the last 4 races at Horsham were abandoned today?
I cannot believe it was rain. Horsham weather station had < 1mm of rain up to 4.30 and then < 2mm after that

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDV60801/IDV60801.95839.shtml

Very little rain at all the surrounding weather stations
I live 50 minutes away in the wettest by far area in the Wimmera and we had very little

Anybody know?

ps You would think these things should be posted somewhere (other than Stewards Reports which often take days to be posted)

[Messenger]

The track must have had its own little rain cloud while the weather station at the airport missed out

[Messenger]

Due to the deteriorating track condition, Stewards, drivers and club personnel conducted a track inspection with concerns identified around the condition of the track near the 150m, between the 400m and 200m and near the 500m. After attempting some track remedial work and conducting a further assessment of the track, at approximately 3:55pm, Races 6 – 9 were abandoned, due to the state of the track which was no longer considered suitable or safe for racing purposes.

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/stewards-reports/stewards-reports-detail/?mc=HS080424

It is interesting that the problem was only a fraction of the 1,000m track - between the 150 and 500. I just cannot get my head around them having had much rain

[Messenger]

Is the Nutrien 3yo Fillies Final at Melton tonight, the weakest $150k race ever staged?

If it isn't then only Lux Aeterna saves it. The way she is going you would say she is no cert but try and find something to beat her

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX200424#MXM20042404

[Messenger]

Another great pick up by Toohard
Have a look at the photo finish from the last at YV on Monday
Notice anything unusual about the saddlecloth numbers?

In this close finish it was lucky that this is one of the few tracks to have an inside and outside photo finish camera
To separate the horses they needed to go to the inside camera
and to then present the photograph in its usual direction they have flipped the photo

It is clearer if you look at the link

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG290424#YGC29042404

[trish]

Does anybody know where Peter Profit is?.
It has been a few days since we have any info from him.

[KTQ]

I wish tracks would make their tracks look better on camera. GP is one that does it well. Green grass, big signage, palms, coloured bridge.
Looking at other tracks. They're grey grey grey. Plant some flowers, increase the size of signage. We will never compete with night gallops when gallops tracks are lush and green and ours look like they're coming out of c1805 Kurdistan

[Messenger]

Katie, I have often written that the gallops have a big advantage over us simply because they race on that green stuff that most of us find aesthetically pleasing.
It is unlikely to happen in Vic as HRV and the whole state are totally broke

[Messenger]

Does anybody know where Peter Profit is?.
It has been a few days since we have any info from him.

It is strange Trish, I don't do social media so I don't know if there has been an explanation there. You would expect a paragraph somewhere, if he was crook you would still think one of his handful of regular contributors, that he has given contributor status too in the last couple of years, would be able to write something on his behalf

[trish]

It is strange Trish, I don't do social media so I don't know if there has been an explanation there. You would expect a paragraph somewhere, if he was crook you would still think one of his handful of regular contributors, that he has given contributor status too in the last couple of years, would be able to write something on his behalf

Agree Kev.
Hope he is ok.
He tells some stories, but I enjoy them.

[Messenger]

He is back. Missing for 3 or 4 days and no explanation is a bit rude

[trish]

He is back. Missing for 3 or 4 days and no explanation is a bit rude

Yes I guess so , but could be a million reasons & who are we to judge.

[Messenger]

We are his paying subscribers. He does not need to tell us why (although he has never been backward in sharing his private life) - just a simple sorry for being MIA

[Messenger]

PP came back for a day and now gone missing again for a few

[trish]

Hi MNIJ runs 1.49 at menangle trials today.
Back in my dads day at least you got something, like headstalls, lead ropes, towels etc. But I am thinking he got zero.

[Messenger]

PP back again - after being in hospital - stay healthy PP

[trish]

PP back again - after being in hospital - stay healthy PP


Agree. PP , Stay well, safe & happy.

[trish]

EXTREME SEA . He may need his own thread in time. Very impressive indeed.

[trish]

EXTREME SEA . He may need his own thread in time. Very impressive indeed.

Just looked up his family......

[Messenger]

But you have to go back to 1955 to share the same dam line as Shartin and Locarno

[trish]

But you have to go back to 1955 to share the same dam line as Shartin and Locarno


I looked him up & I must have done something wrong .
As I had top horses come up. God knows what I did.
Regardless, he looks very good.

[Messenger]

Bondi Lockdown has a career record of 50 starts for 17 wins and 14 placings.

“It’ll be exciting to see what he can do in America,” Dunn said.

“Obviously over there he can be treated on (anti-bleeding medication) Lasix, and they should be able to get the best out of him. Hopefully he will go through and be successful enough there to then come back home and go to stud,” he said.

We are nothing if not dreamers in the world of harness racing

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/bondi-lockdown-has-his-sights-set-on-big-usa-plans/

[Messenger]

Looking at Shep's rainfall tonight, they did well to hold 7 of the 10 races
Bad day for favourite punters as with the 9 races at Charlton there was only 1 favourite successful
So 16 races for the day and only 2 favourites got up

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP300524

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=CH300524

[trish]

Don Kee. In at Newcastle today , ran 2nd. 299 starts .
Born 2010. Unreal.

[Messenger]

And for pretty much the whole time he has only been with Julie Henman and she him

[trish]

And for pretty much the whole time he has only been with Julie Henman and she him

You are 100% correct Kev. Good on her.

[KTQ]

Not often you see trotters race pacers. Milly An Eyre 3rd in 1.56.6 Albion Park

[Messenger]

Thanks Katie - it brings back memories of Maoris Idol beating the best pacers at Albion Park

[trish]

I see Cameron Fitzpatrick is driving at Menangle trials tomorrow.

[Messenger]

I agree with HRNSW (not the Racing Appeals Tribunal) that the Green Light affair rendered him an unfit and improper person to hold a license - bribing stewards to let you dope horses without fear of testing in order to cheat and win would appear a definition of unfit and improper to me. It should have been life not 12 years and good on HRNSW for not automatically giving him back his license at the end of it

[trish]

No Leap or Swayzee in Redcliffe Cup???

[Messenger]

A $100k race nowadays is certainly deserving of a star or two more

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=RE290624#REC29062401

$425k+ worth of prizemoney at Redcliffe on Saturday

[Messenger]

Much is being made of Sundon's Gift's new digs but how many people visit Living Legends? How many people know where Greenvale is? I know every bit helps and we are desperate for positive news but ....

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/sundons-gift-is-harness-racings-first-living-legends-resident/

[trish]

He was a great trotter. I was surprised they put him in Legends at his age, surly he would have been happy where he was. IMO people are simply not that interested in harness racing. I am sure the interest is in the past great gallopers.
We have been to Legends & loved our visit. We found it easy to get to & there were quite a few people there. I have a photo with Apache Cat....what a great horse. Its a nice place. Peaceful.

[Messenger]

Apart from those in the industry (both codes) there are very few interested in the P-A-S-T it is all about the P-U-N-T

[trish]

Yep. 100% agree.
Good article on harnesslink news about that.

[Messenger]

The HRV Integrity Unit saying Shep abandoned due to inclement weather and the state of the track but the BOM saying they have had 2 drops of rain. The BOM must be wrong because this is the Integrity Unit talking.

[Beltane]

The BOM's readings are right. Very little rain since 9am:

http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/flood/goulburn_broken.shtml

[Lorraine]

Roads dry at 5pm

[Messenger]

Yes, I think we all know that it wasn't inclement weather so why do the Integrity Department treat us all like mushrooms

[trish]

https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/blair-returns-to-purdon-racing-in-major-staff-shuffle/

Do not know if this story came before or after PP reports a couple of Group 1 horses Don't Stop Dreaming & We Walk By Faith are being transferred to Hayden Cullen .

[trish]

https://harnesslink.com/australia/13-million-aussies-get-a-tax-cut-but-hra-wallops-breeders/

Harness Racing Australia recently [14th June] announced they had Invoiced Studs for some $920,944 for foals born in the 2023 season which were sired by Stallions that were subject to their Tax. Of course that sum of money has then been passed onto individual broodmare owners.

The immoral part of this Tax is that it is being collected, not for the betterment of the whole Industry, but to assist funding a $2 million Slots Race that only ten wealthy individuals or entities can enter by shelling out $100,000 for a Slot.

So in effect the broodmare owners of Australia have become the largest sponsors of a race in Australia [and probably anywhere in the world] and in return have not received one single mention of thanks or acknowledgement for their donation!

[trish]

DEXTER DUNN had a big day at The Meadowlands, winning 6 races & 3rd in the big one.
He sure has made it big in USA.

[trish]

Just watched a bike race in the olympics , where the last across the line on each bell lap were elimated.
Maybe they could bring this into harness racing, where the last placed at every 200 mtr is out.
Why not. Would be exciting racing.

[Messenger]

I think it could be exciting on big tracks (there may be chaos on small tracks)
I might make it for 2 lap races with last at the half lap eliminated - you are only going to lose 3 horses this way But that will still create moves, speed and excitement
The drawbacks may be that fast starters/leaders would once again be at a big advantage. Would it be exhausting for the horses? Nobody is going to want to be on the fence other than behind the leader
I can remember somebody once suggesting that the sprint lane should be allowed approaching the bell - that would be good in this type of racing But I still cannot picture what happens when the sprint lane runs out and a horse has only made up half a length (it could work on a figure 8 track but we don't have the money to build them)

[codywinnell]

I won't name names Kev, but the Figure 8 track has been raised by some visionaries in previous years. Fact is, you need to change things up sometimes, and whilst such ideas seem wild at first, the world's greatest ideas always seem wild to someone at first...
On the type of race where a contestant is eliminated each time X number of distance goes by, I could be wrong, but I thought the legendary Anthony Butt may have even thrown this open for discussion some years back. If that is completely incorrect and my memory is playing tricks on me, then please disregard haha. Fact is, again, it's a novel idea and in tough times and when you need to find ways to engage new audiences (in any industry), no idea is unworthy of at least exploration.

[trish]

Melton.
Race 6 number 5 says the horse is deceased.
Sad.

[trish]

Where is Gavin Fitzpatrick?
Holidays?
Anyone?

[trish]

Gravelhouse Standardbred auction is sad. No one wants them & some at $500 no reserve , looks like you can not give them away.

[trish]

Just watched the relays of the 1ST race at Gatton on Sunday.
The horse that ran 4th has a JO in the stewards comments , which is jumped object , it looked like it was the track crossing to me.
Bloody scary IMO & it was just luck that half the field did not come down.

[Messenger]

The Brimacombes owned the quinella in R1 at Terang today
It paid $60 but the pool was small (only 10 units on it)
Maybe they backed their winner Sonarmi Joh
and better still their 2nd placegetter Unspoken Love who paid $28 the place (Fixed Odds)

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=TE020924#TEC02092409

[Messenger]

I love small tracks (my love of harness comes from the Showgrounds) but comparing Melton with Menangle tonight - there is no doubt as to which track is fairer for all runners

[trish]

I just read the stewards report re 6th Sept race 2 at Newcastle.
As long as Zara is going to be ok is 1st & foremost.
But really , how would the COTC fall off & be injured?
Goodness, I hope he is ok as well.

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/stewards-reports/stewards-reports-detail/?mc=NR060924

[Messenger]

There was a thread on the HRV fb page about Act Now trialling and I made a post about his little sis having her first start in a Vicbred Silver tonight
I should have listened to myself - she won and paid $34

It was a great night for longshots as there were also $81 and $61 winners

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=BN180924

[trish]

Kilmore Cup.......how does the 13 horse get a run in front of the 2 horse???

[Messenger]

Only guessing but could the 2 have been a late nom?

The Trotters Cup should be one hell of a race with those 5 backmarkers

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI270924#KIC27092411

[Messenger]

The bookies are not giving much away on tonight's Kilmore Cup

[trish]

Just watching MV gallops, wow that track was a fantastic harness racing track. Hummmmmm

[Messenger]

Both Kilmore Cups were somewhat boring.
Despite there being plenty of time to make a move esp in the trot - Nobody did
I guess this happens when the fav ends up in the death - they don't want to give him cover?
The trot was more interesting because of the scramble for positions early and the fact that the fav in the death was still too good and therefore the leader did not win

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=KI270924

[trish]

Once again.
On FORM you would think Curly James would get a run in front of Hurricane Harlie.

[Messenger]

This is not only a spooky story but also an odd one

https://harnesslink.com/australia/detectives-probe-animal-cruelty-allegations/

You would have to say Kate is a battler in this industry, a perfect example of how hard it is to succeed in this game - having never averaged better than $750 per starter in any of her seasons as a trainer

Why would anyone target her AND especially why would anyone target this particular horse - who had only won 2 or 38, had not raced for 2 months and is owned by her family

“I’ve got no doubt it was deliberate – Kenny (Magaccis) was in a yard among other horses, so I believe whoever did this came particularly for him, not just any horse on the property,” Attard said.

I would need her to explain how she comes to the above conclusion from the above situation

Get well Kenny

[trish]

I just read on racenet news that racing club boss keeps job after Christmas Party Sexual Assault.

[Messenger]

Call Me The Breeze in the Swan Hill Trotters Cup is quite a coup

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=FD011124#FDC01112408

[Messenger]

Bad luck Swan Hill - scratched

[Messenger]

Catch A Wave has won 23 of 43 including SEVEN Gp1's but I would not want to take even money about him in the Gp3 at Melton tonight

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX021124#MXM02112406

[trish]

Did Catch A Wave go to NZ For the cup??
Long way to go for nothing if he did.

[trish]

We have been watching the Melbourne Cup carnival.
Talk about professional.
Trainers , jockeys , owners in suits or beautifully dressed.

Then I saw a photo & burst out laughing of a trot trainer with a cup dressed not quite the same as the gallop trainers.

[Messenger]

Did Catch A Wave go to NZ For the cup??
Long way to go for nothing if he did.

I replied in the NZ thread Trish

[trish]

Stinks about the trainers having to move from Wagga showground.

[Messenger]

All three Vic racing codes are in trouble. The Age is reporting that for the last financial year they had a combined LOSS of $58 million !

[Messenger]

PP has written that NZ Trackside have poached our media star Brittany Graham - I hope he is wrong as it would be a huge loss

[Yabbie]

PP has written that NZ Trackside have poached our media star Brittany Graham - I hope he is wrong as it would be a huge loss

It's been confirmed. Big loss for Sky and Australia.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1KAkpdXhFf/

[trish]

Kembla has the Gong.
Menangle could have the Bong!!!

[Messenger]

I don't know about the Sydney Morning Herald and this story could have originated from there

Urine sample match triggers trots drug-testing scandal

but I read it on their sister paper The Age website and it really pees me off that The Age never writes about harness racing except when there is a negative side to the story

You cannot call that balanced journalism can you!
Maybe it came from the SMH and maybe they sometimes have positive stories

[trish]

The pools tell a huge story.
9 & 3 harness.
42 & 13 gallops.

[trish]

AARDIE B MIKI NZ. This is a GOOD horse.

[trish]

https://www.usracing.com/news/paco-lopez-suspended-for-whip-incident-plans-to-seek-counseling


Pity the horse didn't buck him off & kick him in the guts!!!!!

[Messenger]

Greyhound racing in NZ will end on July 31, 2026

Now think about the outcry over Trish's story above.
Those who think whips in racing don't have to go, other than being carried as a control tool, should really think about whether horse racing can survive the general public's expectations on animal welfare

You would think it should always be safe when Rodeos (!) are permissible but who knows

[gutwagon]

NZ just banned greyhound racing, terrible for those involved and the dogs.

If this were to happen in Victoria it could be a big win for Harness racing. I know it's a terrible way to look at it but we need this. I know they will come for horse racing next and we will be an easy target but it could be our only hope for the sports future .

[Messenger]

I mentioned this in Odds and Ends Rick and that 'easy target' could just be a target if we got rid of whips

[Beltane]

NZ just banned greyhound racing, terrible for those involved and the dogs.

If this were to happen in Victoria it could be a big win for Harness racing. I know it's a terrible way to look at it but we need this. I know they will come for horse racing next and we will be an easy target but it could be our only hope for the sports future .

I can't see greyhound getting the chop in Australia as there are 58 active greyhound tracks in Australia. The NSW Government tried a ban, and it failed miserably.

By comparison, the United Kingdom has 21 greyhound tracks, Ireland has 17, New Zealand has six, United States has two and Mexico has one.

[Messenger]

58 is pretty much what the USA once had Steve. It will be of little consideration when the government comes for them. It will be the influential billionaires that are most important to the gallops

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/greyhound-racing-nears-its-end-in-the-u-s

[gutwagon]

I did hear on Main Stream Media that the Greyhound ban doesn't start until 2026. So there's a big chance it will be overturned by then.
As for them being safe in Aus just because of the number of tracks I don't believe that makes any difference. If a government thinks there are more votes in shutting them down or is making a deal with the Greens anything is possible.

[Messenger]

I did post the other day in the Odds and Ends that it was finishing July 31, 2026
I think I will move all the greyhound posts to Odds and Ends as they don't really belong in a HRV thread

[trish]

Years ago , the Intercity Pace was a big country meeting.
In the heats you won a gig , yep!!.
Now it has nothing special. The prizemoney money is ordinary . Was worth more years ago.

[Messenger]

Does anybody know why what the calendar shows as an Ararat meeting tomorrow night is now a Melton meeting

[Yabbie]

Apparently track is being used for fire fighting personnel / gear

[Messenger]

Thanks Carol, our heroes can have whatever they want - they have definitely saved my town

[trish]

Next at the gollops on the Sunshine Coast is a maiden & it is worth $250 thou.
Amazing.
Good on them for transferring from the Gold Coast.

[Messenger]

I don't know whether I have ever seen a more even market for a trots race

[trish]

Only just clicked......maybe......Anton G is training from Pheasants Nest. ???

[Messenger]

Harnessweb does not list Anton as a Licensee

Who trains at Pheasants Nest Trish? I have a feeling you are trying to tell me something but I am not following

Edit: yes he is training from Pheasants Nest and has one in the last at Menangle next Tuesday
ps He is on Harnessweb BUT not under 'Given Name' - Anton

[trish]

Anton Golino. I am sure when I looked at some field at Menangle , well some track in NSW that Anton was down as trainer from Pheasants Nest but of cause I can not find it.

So What I should have said was did Anton Golino buy that property at Pheasants Nest you had put on the forum ?


Thanks Kev now I know where I did see that.

[trish]

And when you click on his name you get this........."the last bit".

Next Runner
Date Track Race Horse Starts for Trainer Wins Places
28-01-2025 Tabcorp Pk Menangle 7 2. GIMME A REASON 0 0 (0%) 0 (0%)
Top Horses This Season
Trainer has no horses.

[trish]

Anton Golino Pheasants Nest VIC TRA.


So Vic has a pheasants Nest too????

[Messenger]

So Anton has made the smart move to NSW
Hey Trish, I forgot that property (of Darren Hancock) was in Pheasants Nest

[trish]

All good Kev , I forget way more than that, hahaha

[trish]

Does the 8 horse go to the front line in the Casey Classic tonight at Melton?

[Messenger]

No, nobody moves up in Vic

[trish]

Thanks Kev

[Messenger]

A suggestion for Lachlan Mitchell
When looking for some extra detail for an article, stick with stating the sire - not an unknown dam

“It wasn’t an ideal night,” Svanosio said. “I have just had Arcee Phoenix at Werribee Vets and he has got a clean bill of health.”

The gelding out of Justa Phoenix sizzled home after Inter Dominion winner The Locomotive blitzed the field to win in a mile rate of 1.51.6.

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/svanosios-trotting-duo-cleared-after-great-southern-star-scratching/

[trish]

https://harnesslink.com/australia/is-always-hot-the-next-superstar/


He is good. He is a lovely pacer , so big & strong.

He may need his own thread in the future.

[trish]

Hesitate has a lot to learn , he was going a bit rough before he galloped & LM was very lucky he didn't lock wheels with the one inside him . He has a lot of ability.

[Messenger]

Just a couple of years ago, these two were considered really good horses - MM won a Cranbourne Cup

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX150225#MXM15022502

[trish]

How times have changed.

How good is Max Delight going!!!

[Messenger]

Captain Ravishing trialled for Jason Grimson and a new owner this week - impossible to tell anything really so we will wait and see in a race

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=ME190225#MEQ19022501

[Messenger]

When did Merlin become Its Merlin

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC220225#PCM22022503

[trish]

They have to add to a name from NZ. A it's , my , mr whatever . Just in case there is a horse in Australia with the same name , I remember that from my brother Mike.

[Messenger]

Yes, I have seen that a lot but I thought I had seen Merlin race here as simply Merlin
The only Merlin I see for Oz was foaled 50yrs ago

[Messenger]

So Anton has made the smart move to NSW
Hey Trish, I forgot that property (of Darren Hancock) was in Pheasants Nest

I see that Harnessweb has updated Anton's details and he is indeed at that beautiful property
Good luck Anton - I am thinking this is a smart move

[trish]

Lets just hope he gets some good horses to train .
Very smart move , it is where the money is.

Good luck to him .

[Messenger]

Australian Grand Prix Corporation boss Martin Pakula 'was adamant the AGPC was doing everything it could to increase revenue and reduce costs'.(from The Age)

Martin did such a wonderful job with HRV when Minister for racing for about 8yrs

[trish]

Is rule 170 (2) in use or have they scraped it?

(2) A driver shall not drive in a race with part of the driver’s body protruding beyond the sulky.

[trish]

Anyone can answer . What do you think of drivers leaning back in the gig?
IMO leaning back in the the gig gives no more of an advantage than sitting up straight with your weight balanced over the axel. In fact weight behind the the axel can cause a wobble action even if unseen. This is demonstrated by people towing caravans with more weight behind the axles. They are called "wobblers" .Watch a movie called " The Worlds Fastest Indian "

[Messenger]

Good movie!

It doesn't look as safe, if the reins broke I imagine the driver would have to fall out the back of the cart AND it looks pretty silly.
The way the Americans do it, it has to add metres to how far from the leader the last horse is

[trish]

It sure does look silly . They hold the reins so far back IMO it is dangerous .
One driver a few weeks back hampered the horse behind him by at least 1/2 a length & it cost the hampered horse the race & I thought to myself I wonder if a protest would be upheld. I would say yes , it would have to be .
If the rule is there , it should be policed.

[trish]

This was on the forum back in 2015 .


Called An accident waiting to happen .

[trish]

Bathurst . Some scratching will make it easy for some to make the final , but what can you do about it besides nothing.

[trish]

Great racing at the gallops today .
And I backed the slipper winner a week ago !!!

[Messenger]

Hey Trish, you know more about this stuff than me - what happened to Within The Law in the Slipper - it looked like his back legs folded under him for no reason and then he seemed OK in his action when galloping inside the rail

[trish]

I am not sure Kev , I was watching my winner .

Stewards report will tell us .

[trish]

https://harnesslink.com/australia/the-narcissist-marches-on-for-greg-sugars/

Another horse that has improved out of sight but in saying that he did have some ability early on in his career.

[Messenger]

Does anybody else think that this is ridiculous

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE280325#GEC28032501

[Njcstables]

Does anybody else think that this is ridiculous

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GE280325#GEC28032501

It's ridiculous for a host of reasons.

[trish]

Agree . How is it possible . Anyone see the conditions of the race???

[trish]

Six consecutive victories for Bartlett.

Is he really looking at the camera????

[Messenger]

That could be taken while he was doing preliminaries

[trish]

https://harnesslink.com/usa/herbertson-bound-for-us-and-sweden/

Good luck to him , some went to the states & did not come back . And I do not blame them .

[Messenger]

It makes great sense for James to go somewhere - whether it be overseas or interstate. He must see greater earning potential than what is on offer in Vic

[trish]

It makes great sense for James to go somewhere - whether it be overseas or interstate. He must see greater earning potential than what is on offer in Vic

Absolutely correct.
I think others would have gone to the states as well to make a great living but they got married & had kids .
Oh well , such is life .

[Yabbie]

https://harnesslink.com/usa/herbertson-bound-for-us-and-sweden/

Good luck to him , some went to the states & did not come back . And I do not blame them .

He won a trip to Sweden (Eliitloppet) by winning a young drivers comp and has just added the US trip. Great opportunity for him to see how other stables/countries operate. Good on him. A wonderful experience awaits him

[Danno]

Does anyone know what happened to Zeron, he dropped out of the race and fell last night, and now showing as deceased.

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=827708

[Messenger]

Just heard this story from my daughter about my grandson who is 6. She was calling him and he comes out of his father's office and says "I was just watching the trots" :D
(His father has Sky on all the time for the gallops and his job)

[Danno]

Just heard this story from my daughter about my grandson who is 6. She was calling him and he comes out of his father's office and says "I was just watching the trots" :D
(His father has Sky on all the time for the gallops and his job)

There is hope yet!

[trish]

https://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=69631


Not much fun . Happened to me once on the sand where we trained , I just sat in the gig & he eventually he ran out of puff .

[Danno]

When 8.7 metres is an understatement

Official margin for Whereyabinboppin's Goulburn Cup win on Sunday.

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=LM130425

Somehow I messed up the link to the pic, but open the photo finish pic to see

[Messenger]

I think they left a 1 off the front Dan and it should be 18.7m

[trish]

Great to see Catch A Wave blow em away!!!

[trish]

Penrith race 5 last night , 1.2mtrs from 1st to 9th???
Really ??
No photo finish & could not be bothered watching the replay .

[Messenger]

Not at all Trish

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PE240425#PEC24042507

[trish]

Thanks Kev , your a champ

[Messenger]

Check out R1 at Shep tonight
The fav Wild Bull (No.2) was under hard driving the whole race (even before the mobile released!)
He was only beaten a Neck but you have to have doubts that he is interested in racing

https://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=SP290425#SPC29042501