Ch2 ODDS AND ENDS - not big enough for a thread of their own

[Messenger]

to be continued here .........

[trish]

Tomorrow night @GeelongHarnessR (https://twitter.com/GeelongHarnessR) great to see @KerrynManning (https://twitter.com/KerrynManning) back in the gig. #Trots (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Trots?src=hash) #WelcomeBackKezz (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WelcomeBackKezz?src=hash)pic.twitter.com/0Mh2cgUgbL (https://t.co/0Mh2cgUgbL)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5aKCTcVMAABHyb.jpg

[KTQ]

How are these names within one race for a mouthful
687

[Messenger]

I haven't got any further than Deloraine so far but apart from being a top spot, it has some interesting horse history - it is the birthplace of the following :

Floodlight, whom I had heard of (Hunter Cup winner) who got his name due to the circumstances of his birth

Malua, a galloper I had never heard of, but he must have been INCREDIBLE - check out this link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malua_(horse

[Fan of Jate]

A nice spot is Deloraine and the great Malua is well known Kev in the apple isle-at least up that way anyway. I believe there is a book out on the horse as well which I intend to purchase. If you haven't seen a tight track before you will see a few in Tassie. No 1:49 and change here that is for sure.

[Messenger]

A nice spot is Deloraine and the great Malua is well known Kev in the apple isle-at least up that way anyway. I believe there is a book out on the horse as well which I intend to purchase. If you haven't seen a tight track before you will see a few in Tassie. No 1:49 and change here that is for sure.

I bought a couple of racing books in Launceston today.

Les Carlyon's The Master because he can write and I need to erase Bart's supposed autobiography I read a couple of years ago (so boring - more a list of race wins than interesting stories)

The other is a 1986 book Gentleman of the Australian Turf

[Messenger]

This morning we passed through Hagley on our way to Longford (the home of Mick & The Cleaner)

Quiz Question for a chance to win a lifetime's free subscription to the Harnesslink forum:

What legendary pacer hails from Hagley?

(Source of info - the plaques around the cricket ground at nearby Westbury

[Messenger]

Breno is the first winner

[Hermione]

I was hoping to win the amazing prize but don't know the answer to the question :) :) :) :)

[teecee]

He won an Interdom title at Alexandra Park.!!!

[Messenger]

I was hoping to win the amazing prize but don't know the answer to the question :) :) :) :)

Jan, just for your enthusiasm, I am awarding you the prize too ;)

[Adaptor]

Kev..... Edgar Tatlow's Derby Lodge Stud was at Hagley.
So you could have had Globe Derby. Raider, Brazil or other Tatlow horses !

[Messenger]

Kev..... Edgar Tatlow's Derby Lodge Stud was at Hagley.
So you could have had Globe Derby. Raider, Brazil or other Tatlow horses !

Surprising that Westbury's Honour bollards did not mention them Noel - anyone and everyone from the region that achieved something of note, got a gig eg. Official at Australian Ploughing Championships

[Messenger]

Read up on the stud now - they have to rate a mention. Thinking about it, I never checked if there were plaques to the left of the entrance as well - that would make sense (stupid me, I wouldn't mind a bet that there are)

[lasse]

I thought the answer was Halwes but he never won the Inter?

[Adaptor]

Its got to be Logan Derby ! Look where he started his career !

1934 Tas Launceston Show Cup Elph F
1935 Tas Launceston Show Cup Elph F
1936 Tas Championship -OP Elph F
1936 Inter Dominion Pacing Final GP 1

[Messenger]

I thought the answer was Halwes but he never won the Inter?

I am not sure where TC got the Inter win from - maybe he thought he was a certainty and didn't tune in and hear about the late scratching

(Or maybe he threw in a red herring to save on free subscriptions :D )

[teecee]

The one that got away..!!!

[Messenger]

I visited Scottsdale today and saw a harness symbol on the Sports ground sign so I pulled in for a look. I found an unusual track which goes around 2 ovals with big bends and short straights. I have a vague memory of having seen it on Sky sometime But my memory is pretty vague nowadays

[Adaptor]

Scottsdale:
Correct Kev
Classic Famiies has it as Scott under tracks:

http://www.classicfamilies.net/cf/TrackList.aspx

The main race is listed as the Tasmanian North East Cup first run in 1923 and seemingly last run in 2014

[trish]

FIELD'S AVAILABLE AT 10PM????? WT???




Nominations for BATHURST - BH150317

Wednesday, 15 March 2017

Key Times

All times are displayed using the Eastern Summer Time (New South Wales) timezone.
Nominations 10 March 2017, 09:30 AMAcceptances 10 March 2017, 01:30 PMFields Available 10 March 2017, 10:00 PMDriver/Gear Change Deadline 13 March 2017, 10:30 AM

[trish]

http://xwebapp.ustrotting.com/absolutenm/templates/article.aspx?articleid=73822&zoneid=1

[aussiebreno]

El Major drive at Bendigo is the perfect example why N Jack is best in the business - shame about this other stuff. Granted he led on one of the two favourites but to have the ability to judge the early quarters that he did - amazing stuff. Most other drives go 31, 31, 28, 27 and bring Sugars drive into the race. Drive on Brallos Pass in the Wagga Cup last week was 10/10 as well when beaten.

[Fan of Jate]

All 9 races at Albion Park were over the mile tonight, a bit unusual.

[arlington]

El Major drive at Bendigo is the perfect example why N Jack is best in the business - shame about this other stuff. Granted he led on one of the two favourites but to have the ability to judge the early quarters that he did - amazing stuff. Most other drives go 31, 31, 28, 27 and bring Sugars drive into the race. Drive on Brallos Pass in the Wagga Cup last week was 10/10 as well when beaten.


A lot to like about Ellen Tormey's drives for the Mark Watson stable.

[aussiebreno]

How does Royal Story miss a start (barring scratchings) in Race 1 at Bathurst on Wed night?

[aussiebreno]

How does Royal Story miss a start (barring scratchings) in Race 1 at Bathurst on Wed night?
Answer from HRNSW - prior engagement last Saturday night at Young (noms come out last Friday). Preference given to horses with no prior engagement.

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=32934

Fantastic that Stawell is getting this upgrade but $546,446 is serious money
Sometimes it would be interesting to see the costings

(You would think that they could have at the very most got it down to $545,000 and had $1,446 to do a driveway out at the Gap)

[Messenger]

Racing will do anything for a buck nowadays - the Gp1 Nathan's Famous Hotdogs Galaxy at Rosehill today

[Messenger]

Not surprising to see 3 of the worst drawn horses in the Kilmore Cup scratched - with Lenny drawn 3, why bother

[aussiebreno]

Not surprising to see 3 of the worst drawn horses in the Kilmore Cup scratched - with Lenny drawn 3, why bother
Can't scratch because of the draw?
Anything on the front row is good for Tact Tate with his GS. Corzin Terror probably doesn't know what the front row is. Good place prizemoney still and those two would have been definite place chances.

[Messenger]

Can't scratch because of the draw? Without another excuse
.

Edited for accuracy

[aussiebreno]

$10,000 2nd prizemoney penalty free. No body is scratching.

[Messenger]

$10,000 2nd prizemoney penalty free. No body is scratching.

3 did (all of whom are graded such that they are past worrying about penalties)

[aussiebreno]

All 3 stood down for a fortnight.

[arlington]

All 3 stood down for a fortnight.

Might have stood up with this promotion?! :eek:

[Messenger]

I thought it was a joke BUT

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/sa-harness-racing-club-called-tacky-after-agreeing-to-host-rrated-shows-at-its-globe-derby-park-base/news-story/89aa14339c3ddf2dd3d4a43eb1994c71

[Njcstables]

That should bring the crowd back to the trots!

[arlington]

I thought it was a joke BUT

Had to look at the calendar Kev..nope, not April 1. I don't think my sense of humour is that poor.... only saw the top of the poster "Heavenly Distractions" when I first opened it...thought it was promo-ing an RnRHeaven filly sindication...me bad.

[aussiebreno]

All 3 stood down for a fortnight.

Tact Tate must have provided Vets Cert. Racing Bathurst Saturday.

[strong persuader]

691

Hey guys, our horse, Mister Haywood goes around in the final of the Honouree Stakes at Bathurst on Wed 22/3. Has drawn 2 and should give a good show.

He has been in blistering form this season, 5 starts, 2 wins, 1 second, 2 thirds with his 2 wins at his last 2 starts. Fingers crossed he continues on.

The photo is from Neville Show where he annexed the Supreme Standardbred and Best in Led classes. The show was on the weekend between his 2 wins, so I guess we could claim 3 wins from his last 3 starts :)

[Messenger]

Great stuff Phil, you can definitely claim 3/3 and good luck.

[aussiebreno]

Tact Tate must have provided Vets Cert. Racing Bathurst Saturday.

Corzin Terror Vets Cert as well - racing Sunday Ouyen.

[Messenger]

You can ALWAYS get a vet cert and they are fantastic cures too

[Boydy]

There are plenty of people bagging other people in harness racing industry. Its nice to see someone giving something back.






http://www.harnessbred.com/some-type-of-strange-system/

[Messenger]

Certainly good PR. Well done Rob

[KTQ]

At Wagin tonight, my dad owns or has owned 8 of the horses racing. We currently own 2 of those 8 and I think we bred those other 6. Thought it was interesting.

[Big K]

At Wagin tonight, my dad owns or has owned 8 of the horses racing. We currently own 2 of those 8 and I think we bred those other 6. Thought it was interesting.

Awesome!!! and good luck tonight...I think you'll get a few winners!!..I'll be there with bells and whistles!!

[KTQ]

Awesome!!! and good luck tonight...I think you'll get a few winners!!..I'll be there with bells and whistles!!

I think a couple of our ex-horses came places but our two did nothing I don't think. Results for race 2 aren't uploaded so who knows what happened with Trust my Judgement and Just Above galloped the little shit) :(

[Fan of Jate]

Comparison-Kilmore cup G2 and Albany cup G3 races-what an absolute joke.




Lenny started at $1 favorite and I believe there was a total of $15000 bet on this race which proves the theory that people don't bet on races where there is a red hot favorite. Three good horses pulled out of this race supposedly because Lenny was in it, nonetheless there were some very good horses in this race and it was very competitive.


The Albany cup was won by Our Jimmy Johnstone who paid $1.60 and it was a huge winning margin. I even backed it and I don’t know how the big punters missed this one. The field was one of the worst ever seen in a G3 race in my opinion, it was disgraceful. The winner has been winning country and city cups left right and centre and performed admirably in the last inter dominion series. There were 2 local (Albany) horses, a good claimer and a handy mare in the field of 7 and all started.


This is what is wrong in Australian harness racing where gutless HRA authorities allow this type of one sided event to happen- This town is at least 4 hrs drive from Perth and is definitely country, but where were the local horses? Why was a horse the caliber of OJJ allowed in the race? This is rubbish handicapping and I pointed out this type of event happening on a very regular basis in most states in a previous post. I also pointed out that some owners and trainers are laughing their box off as to how easy it is for International horses even though the winner is owned by Australians.


Anecdotal evidence is pointing to less horses being bred in Australia and if recent horse sales are any indication, some of the lower priced stallions will disappear in 12 months time and we all know why. This correlates to our weak as water handicapping system and the ongoing purchase of International horses to fill the gap left by local breeders, trainers etc who cannot compete. There is a big difference between natural attrition and being forced out due to having to compete against a weak handicapping system, superior horses and 3-4 stallions holding sway in the breeding barn.


As Sam Kekovich would say “you know it makes sense”

[Messenger]

I have to disagree on 1 point Pat - the value of a drawcard like Lenny for a Cup.
I think he helped them get a good crowd and I have come to believe that short priced favorites rarely hurt turnover and so wonder whether admins attempts to counter them has any point.

Every time I study turnover for a race like this latest Kilmore Cup, I find the same thing.
The Win pool on Vic TAB was only* $16k+ but the place pool was the meet's biggest at nearly $16k and the First 4 pool was a massive* $88k (7x's the previous race)
I don't know if there was a guaranteed pool but even if it was it was smart thinking.

My casual observations only but it seems to me that 'trot' races are a turnover killer* (unless we have the French on board)

* are not intentional - I think it is because I am still having to cut and paste to post

[p plater]

Blow me down.....I have totally missed the construction of a sprint lane at Menangle.
Checking out results to find Lots more Art in the last in the stewards comments "used sprint lane"

[trish]

Found this on some ones twitter.....


This is what 12 months of TLC & some retraining has done for Milo, one of the starving thoroughbreds seized in Bulla last April.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8CeBRHU8AE11y0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8CeBRJV4AAAJrZ.jpg

[trish]

http://www.horsecouncil.org.au/news/update-bulla-horse-seizure/

[Hermione]

Doesn't this article just break your heart.

[Messenger]

That was 12 months ago and the figure that astonishes is how they had seized 139 horses in the first Q of 2016 compared to 1 for the same period in 2015

[trish]

http://xwebapp.ustrotting.com/absolutenm/templates/article.aspx?articleid=74081&zoneid=1

[trish]

Doesn't this article just break your heart.


Yes.
I was going to put other photos on regarding this case but they are too distressing.




The person is facing 92 charges.

[trish]

Doesn't this article just break your heart.


Thankfully we have people in the world like this.
https://horseshepherd.org.au/

[trish]

Doesn't this article just break your heart.


https://horseshepherd.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/17359234_1865254190415945_8458064985136891977_o.jp g?w=209&h=300


This is the mare that was in that photo now.

[trish]

For those that did not read the article I posted


http://www.horsecouncil.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BullaMareandFoal-300x223.jpg (http://www.horsecouncil.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/BullaMareandFoal.jpg)


This is the mare then (12mths ago) .... wow.... thanks to those who saved these horses.

[Messenger]

The Howlett's are in the news KTQ

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=33073

[KTQ]

The Howlett's are in the news KTQ

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=33073

yaaay. It makes me so happy!!!! I'm so proud of my dad. Not sure they have much chance but 3/12 is surely an increase of odds.

[Messenger]

A funny one from the competitive world of online betting
The added horses are
Threesixfive
Arenogood

[Messenger]

I will see if this is clearer

[trish]

https://m.northernstar.com.au/news/horse-seeking-shelter-collapses-in-doorway/3161615/

[Messenger]

Those men must receive awards, you can see in the first pic that the water had to be 50cm deep inside their house and what are they doing - keeping an unknown horse's head above water

[p plater]

Looking at the NSW country meeting at Armidale on Sunday, one thing stands out. Lola Weidemann has 19 starters at the meeting. When you consider there are 69 horses engaged at the meeting, what a great impact she has on the meeting.
Lola comes from Clifton Qld. That's about 700km return and a travel time of about 9 hours. Good luck, that's a big effort for your owners. Look out for the Harness Racing road train.

[arlington]

But no need for cut-away rail

http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=VIC&raceCode=ECC01041707

Got to love the 4 and 5 wide move up the back the last time.

I've never noticed, does the on track big screen swap to the back straight vision during the race?

[trish]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=33130




Well done guys!!!

[trish]

Update.(on the rescued horse)


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-02/tilly-the-horse-rescued-from-murwillumbah-floods/8409070

(It is a great read people Thanks Trish)

[trish]

In relation to the decision to affirm the 12 year disqualification for both Shayne and Greg Cramp, Senior Member Proctor allowed for the co-operation of both parties with authorities, by concluding, ‘But for that co-operation I would have added some extra years of disqualification’. http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=33170

[aussiebreno]

Driver Peter Sanderson nearly got a lesson that the race isn't over till its over at Charlton, in the next trots race commentator Jim Jacques wasn't so lucky when he went the early crow at Strathalbyn.

[Messenger]

I wonder why Ararat have gone with the shorter distance for their Cup on Saturday
Last year when it was still a SS it was over 2570m

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=AR150417&fromstate=vic#8

Only 7 starters for the Warragul Cup on Sunday is disappointing in my book

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=WR160417&fromstate=vic#7

[trish]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=33232

[Fan of Jate]

Not the strongest field for a group 3 Cup I have ever seen- there is no Lazarus or Lenny in the field and over 2600m compared to the shorter Ararat Cup. I have no idea why Group 3's are run over different distances, especially as there is a points tally for the end of this series and a champion will be crowned.
I thought Victoria was on the up but the way these races are programmed it appears as if there is no change to what was posted regarding this same issue before xmas. Warragul has only half a field. Probably a lesser horse who has won weaker country cups and has not raced against the top horses may win the championship !!!!!


Having said that it looks as if they will be bumper days with big crowds which is a win / win all round. Cant ask for much more than that apart from hoping the races are very competitive.

[trish]

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/news/1667/stud-career-beckons

[Messenger]

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/news/1667/stud-career-beckons

He will attract some attention after his latest blitz - see Speed Explosion thread and watch this

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/trotstv/replays/29715

[Messenger]

The Warragul Cup was a good race despite having only 6 runners but it may have been more interesting if Milly Perez had won the Ararat Cup last night.
If that had happened I imagine Im Corzin Terror would not have scratched today as he would have needed points to take the Country Cups Championship

[Messenger]

This article promoting (?) today's Great Eastern Steeple does not read well for the gallops industry

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/paddy-payne-sees-the-great-eastern-steeple-as-a-race-his-old-mate-can-earn-his-keep-in-by-winning-20170416-gvlpso.html

It reads to me like the author if not the trainer is worried as to whether the horse will survive it

[aussiebreno]

This article promoting (?) today's Great Eastern Steeple does not read well for the gallops industry

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/paddy-payne-sees-the-great-eastern-steeple-as-a-race-his-old-mate-can-earn-his-keep-in-by-winning-20170416-gvlpso.html

It reads to me like the author if not the trainer is worried as to whether the horse will survive it
Fairfield trots and Oakbank gallops both on today. I'm sensing this will be a thing of a past in a decade or so.

On Fairfield though. Did they use to race weekly? Did they go years without a meeting or always had a few meetings a year? Could be making stuff up but I remember seeing Fairfield in the Daily Telegraph when I was a kid but don't recall ever seeing any races there in recent years.

[trish]

Watched the movie Secretariat . This is his mum. She was 18 when she had him!!!! AND the 13th foal!!!!

Somethingroyal (March 12, 1952 – June 9, 1983) was an American Thoroughbred (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoroughbred) racehorse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_racing) and broodmare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broodmare). She was the dam (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dam#Etymology_2) of U.S. Triple Crown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Triple_Crown_of_Thoroughbred_Racing) champion and Hall of Fame (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Racing_and_Hall_of_Fame) inductee Secretariat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretariat_(horse)) (by Bold Ruler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bold_Ruler)).
Somethingroyal was bred in Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia) by her owner Christopher Chenery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chenery)'s Meadow Stud. She raced one time, on August 2, 1954, at Saratoga Race Course (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratoga_Race_Course), and was unplaced. She was 1973 Broodmare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broodmare) of the Year, and at age 18 became the oldest mare to foal an American Triple Crown winner.
Somethingroyal lived to the age of 31 and died in 1983. She was the dam of five stakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graded_stakes_race) winners: Secretariat, Sir Gaylord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Gaylord) (sire of Epsom Derby (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsom_Derby) winner Sir Ivor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Ivor)), Queen's Colours, First Family, and Syrian Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syrian_Sea&action=edit&redlink=1); and five who placed in stakes: Somethingfabulous, Grand Coulee, Mostar, Capitol Asset and Cherryville.

[trish]

http://www.secretariat.com/spotlight/secretariats-brother/


Nice story.

[KTQ]

Have your say - Tweet your thoughts on how to improve Victoria trotting @ David Martin. I wish WA would do this. We're battling to get sectionals and position at bell uploaded to harness.org.au and half the time, the mile rate is incorrect

704

https://twitter.com/DavidMartinAU1/status/853935061074190340

[KTQ]

Watched the movie Secretariat . This is his mum. She was 18 when she had him!!!! AND the 13th foal!!!!

Somethingroyal (March 12, 1952 – June 9, 1983) was an American Thoroughbred (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoroughbred) racehorse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_racing) and broodmare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broodmare). She was the dam (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dam#Etymology_2) of U.S. Triple Crown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Triple_Crown_of_Thoroughbred_Racing) champion and Hall of Fame (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Racing_and_Hall_of_Fame) inductee Secretariat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretariat_(horse)) (by Bold Ruler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bold_Ruler)).
Somethingroyal was bred in Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia) by her owner Christopher Chenery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chenery)'s Meadow Stud. She raced one time, on August 2, 1954, at Saratoga Race Course (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratoga_Race_Course), and was unplaced. She was 1973 Broodmare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broodmare) of the Year, and at age 18 became the oldest mare to foal an American Triple Crown winner.
Somethingroyal lived to the age of 31 and died in 1983. She was the dam of five stakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graded_stakes_race) winners: Secretariat, Sir Gaylord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Gaylord) (sire of Epsom Derby (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsom_Derby) winner Sir Ivor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Ivor)), Queen's Colours, First Family, and Syrian Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syrian_Sea&action=edit&redlink=1); and five who placed in stakes: Somethingfabulous, Grand Coulee, Mostar, Capitol Asset and Cherryville.

One of my favourite movies. They should make one about harness racing.. but which horse should they focus on?

[p plater]

Fairfield trots and Oakbank gallops both on today. I'm sensing this will be a thing of a past in a decade or so.

On Fairfield though. Did they use to race weekly? Did they go years without a meeting or always had a few meetings a year? Could be making stuff up but I remember seeing Fairfield in the Daily Telegraph when I was a kid but don't recall ever seeing any races there in recent years.

Brendan,

Fairfield over many years was the place to learn to drive for many top line drivers. Always had good fields and good turnover.
Found this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9rJvu0Ju9Y

[trish]

http://www.apgold.com.au/apgold/cache/file/957CAB97-3F61-44C7-83151DFA3FFA896F_carouselimage.jpg Latest News

[trish]

NSW breeders ....any thoughts on this???




NSW BREEDERS CHALLENGE TERMS & CONDITIONS REVIEW
HRNSW is undertaking a review of the NSW Breeders Challenge Terms and Conditions in relation to:
a) Eligibility
 which horses should be eligible (important – refer to current Conditions)
b) Owners Bonus Scheme Certificates
 should the conditions allow for other forms of redemption – i.e. agistment, vets, semen transport etc  should the Scheme remain Certificate based  if not, how should the Scheme operate
c) Foal Nominators Bonus
 should the bonus remain as a cash payment  if not, how should the bonus be distributed  who should receive the payment i. the Foal Nominator (owner of the broodmare when foal born) ii. the Breeder (owner of the broodmare when served)
d) New Initiatives
 Should the Owners Bonus Scheme and the Foal Nominators Bonus cease with the funds to be used on other new initiatives (i.e. increased prizemoney for multiple NSW Breeders Challenge eligible races to be conducted throughout the season)
The current conditions can be viewed at www.hrnsw.com.au (http://www.hrnsw.com.au) then:
1. In the top menu hover over Breeders Challenge
2. Click on BC Quick Links
3. Click on NSW Breeders Challenge Terms & Conditions
Submissions are due by Friday, 28 April 2017 and should be sent to HRNSW Manager – Industry Development Adam Fairley @ afairley@hrnsw.com.au or by post to PO Box 1034, Bankstown, NSW, 1885.
Should you have any queries please contact Adam on 02 9722 6614.

[trish]

A $30 thou race attracts 6 horses.
(now 7 Yayas late).




21 April 2017
SCHWEPPES SYDNEY CUP (GROUP 3)

PACERS 2140 METRES MOBILE START Race codeBKC21041701ClassBarrier DrawPBD/CStakes$30,600Race NotesOpen to all pacers
HorseDriverHcAgeSexAssessmentPointsOther Engagements TIGER TARA NZ (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/horse/search/process.do?horseName=TIGER+TARA+NZ&horseId=786270&method=select) T P McCarthy (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/client/details.do?clientName=T+P+McCarthy&clientId=10240104&method=view) FT6HorseM8 C15 R15 48 QUICK TURN NZ (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/horse/search/process.do?horseName=QUICK+TURN+NZ&horseId=783803&method=select) J N Douglass (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/client/details.do?clientName=J+N+Douglass&clientId=10379719&method=view) FT8GeldingM0 C7 R12 41 CONTROVERSIAL NZ (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/horse/search/process.do?horseName=CONTROVERSIAL+NZ&horseId=786226&method=select) C M Geary (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/client/details.do?clientName=C+M+Geary&clientId=10556756&method=view) (C)FT5GeldingM1 C6 R6 41SPARE ME DAYS (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/horse/search/process.do?horseName=SPARE+ME+DAYS&horseId=776073&method=select) B M Hewitt (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/client/details.do?clientName=B+M+Hewitt&clientId=10389003&method=view) FT5HorseM2 C7 R8 40 YAYAS HOT SPOT NZ (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/horse/search/process.do?horseName=YAYAS+HOT+SPOT+NZ&horseId=786655&method=select) (Late) C M Geary (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/client/details.do?clientName=C+M+Geary&clientId=10556756&method=view) (C)FT6GeldingM5 C16 R16 34 DYNAMITE DENN NEE NZ (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/horse/search/process.do?horseName=DYNAMITE+DENN+NEE+NZ&horseId=772149&method=select) M B Towers (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/client/details.do?clientName=M+B+Towers&clientId=10308040&method=view) FT8MareM1 C6 R6 29 CHANTREY NZ (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/horse/search/process.do?horseName=CHANTREY+NZ&horseId=796689&method=select) C M Geary (https://harnessweb.harness.org.au/harnessweb/content/client/details.do?clientName=C+M+Geary&clientId=10556756&method=view) (C)FT5GeldingM2 C7 R7 272-BKC21041711

[Messenger]

You have to say that Anything For Love was pretty unlucky today
Goes a 1.49+ mile in a C3-6 and gets beat
Beaten a HFNK and the deafeners failed to release
after the winner came off his back

[Amlin]

Fairfield trots and Oakbank gallops both on today. I'm sensing this will be a thing of a past in a decade or so.

On Fairfield though. Did they use to race weekly? Did they go years without a meeting or always had a few meetings a year? Could be making stuff up but I remember seeing Fairfield in the Daily Telegraph when I was a kid but don't recall ever seeing any races there in recent years.

Fairfield race for the final time on Mon Jun 12

[Messenger]

I am surprised the numbers were so light at Bendigo tonight
A 4 horse C0 for $7k (even before scratchings it only had 6)

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=BN200417&fromstate=vic

[arlington]

I am surprised the numbers were so light at Bendigo tonight
A 4 horse C0 for $7k (even before scratchings it only had 6)

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=BN200417&fromstate=vic

RESULTS: http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN200417&ms=vic&fromstate=vic#BNC20041704
Not easy to find a C0 that will be competitive in 1:56

And Kilmore tonight for $10k https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=KI210417#9
...some trainers with quality horses are still targeting the lower tiered races?

Interesting to hear HRV CEO David Martin's comments on the radio earlier this week. Whilst he stated he's still getting his head around race programming, which is fair enough, he did say he was interested in looking into some programming based on a horse's average times. The example given was for it's last ten starts. For a long time HARNESSWEB has listed averages for the last 10, 6, 5, 4, 3.

If someone wants to bring up the breeding mediocrity argument...good on them, but we're struggling for numbers to keep the sport going and we need to support the HERO programme to the hilt.
You can't guarantee going to Bettors gives you a champ, the broodmare gem is truly a gem.
Understandably, especially(?) considering the intended whip ban, there is a line of thought drivers won't drive their horses out to get a slower average time.
My thoughts:
The "not trying" rule is heavily policed by stewards,
Interesting David mention 10 starts not 6, 5...Without doing the maths you'd need to carry an anchor in 3 or more starts to seriously effect your average. And the liklihood would be those starts being the last 4 or 5 starts, so it would be fairly obvious(?). You need to take into account, even if you have a horse that is performing poorly it will likely be sucked along in a quick time or two so you might need to go in reverse to significantly slow your average down.
And query improved performance might be looked at more closely.

I posted in another thread, a while back, asking about Albury as an example of races programmed on times in the past. Anyone with experience there?

[aussiebreno]

David Moran copping plenty of stick on social media for his drive in the 2yo at Ballarat last night.

Lot of uneducated opinions. John Justice quickens the leader and it looks like the death horse will drop off. Moran on the odds on favourite banks on death horse stopping instead of coming 3 wide ... death horse plugs on nicely and D Moran unfortunately in a victim of circumstances looks like he has held one up.

[Messenger]

David Moran copping plenty of stick on social media for his drive in the 2yo at Ballarat last night.

Lot of uneducated opinions. John Justice quickens the leader and it looks like the death horse will drop off. Moran on the odds on favourite banks on death horse stopping instead of coming 3 wide ... death horse plugs on nicely and D Moran unfortunately in a victim of circumstances looks like he has held one up.

It was the horse's first start and understandably he did not seem to know much about the caper (did not seem that genuine/keen to go in parts) and the driver could have been excused for thinking he needed the short route - unfortunately the horse made him look bad by finishing off so strongly in the last 50

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA190417&ms=vic#BAC19041706

[teecee]

The discussion re programming has gotten to a point where it is worthy of its own thread. Accordingly. I have moved posts on this issue into its own thread titled "Different Aspects to Programing" for want of a thread name. Hopefully the conversation on this topic will continue there with some continuity and not be lost within the mish mash of posts which make up the Odds and Ends thread. Thanks

[aussiebreno]

The discussion re programming has gotten to a point where it is worthy of its own thread. Accordingly. I have moved posts on this issue into its own thread titled "Different Aspects to Programing" for want of a thread name. Hopefully the conversation on this topic will continue there with some continuity and not be lost within the mish mash of posts which make up the Odds and Ends thread. Thanks

Good thinking teecee

[Fan of Jate]

[B]This will be interesting once it concludes, especially as the chief steward has been moved on.


"leading trainer Greg Bond has been charged with behaviour detrimental to the industry from a race held during the Perth Inter Dominion series late last year.
After an exhaustive probe, Perth West Australian newspaper reported RWWA had charged Bond in relation a former Kiwi pacer Fifth Edition at Gloucester Park in December. An iquiry was opened straight after the pacer drifted alarmingly in betting, hung badly and wilted to finish last.
The inquiry focused on Bond’s comments in Perth radio on the morning of the race and his betting activity on race night.
RWWA’s general manager of integrity, Denis Borovica, said Bond initially told RWWA’s former chief steward, Carl Coady, he included Fifth Edition in a “first four bet” on the race, but subsequence evidence showed none his bets did include Fifth Edition.
Additionally, Borovica said Bond said on local radio on race morning that Fifth Edition was his “best prospect” that night, neglecting to mention information he had been given by stable foreman Ryan Warwick about the pacer hanging and cross-firing in trackwork the prior Tuesday.
The charges are serious and the inquiry has been adjourned to a date to be set.
Bond and his wife, Skye, are backbones of the WA industry with a huge stable – mostly Kiwi imports – and have trained almost 150 winners so far this season"

https://thewest.com.au/sport/horse-racing/bond-faces-charge-of-misleading-stewards-ng-b88453582z

[Fan of Jate]

Great call by Jim Jaques today at the Kapunda trotters cup won by Al Bundy off 60 metres and won by 17 Metres. Jim made it sound like the 2nd coming of Christ.

[teecee]

Members are reminded that when using imformation from a third party such as newspapers you should supply a link to the article you are quoting from. This will save your typing fingers by not typing out the whole story and substantiate the information you are quoting.
Members are also reminded not to make claims about persons or events that you can't or dont substantiate WITHIN THAT POST. Thanks

[Fan of Jate]

The Bulli cup should be very good as well. That is a field worthy of a $100,000 race and a much better field than we have seen in some of the more recent cups

[aussiebreno]

The Bulli cup should be very good as well. That is a field worthy of a $100,000 race and a much better field than we have seen in some of the more recent cups

Tiger Tara a big chance to knock off Lenny - in fact Tiger goes in favourite. Drawn inside him and Lenny had a little bit of time off. Will be good to see Tiger measures up - but even if he beats Lenny here the Len Smith will be another test.

[Messenger]

Julius Caesar discussion moved to Breeding forum

[Messenger]

Who would have thought that harness.org.au would be the only Australian website hit by the world's biggest cyber attack
or maybe there is some other reason I cannot get HRV, HRA, HRNSW (on Explorer or Chrome)

[trish]

At least is will stay in the city....................http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Queensland-s-racing

[aussiebreno]

Who would have thought that harness.org.au would be the only Australian website hit by the world's biggest cyber attack
or maybe there is some other reason I cannot get HRV, HRA, HRNSW (on Explorer or Chrome)
Working now in google chrome. Maybe a problem on your end, HRV, HRA and HRNSW websites would have different servers I would imagine.

[Messenger]

It was probably only for half an hour - I don't think it was my end as I could open every other site I tried

[trish]

Definitely not you Kevin.��

[Messenger]

Well I went to Hamilton as the weather was pretty dam good for late autumn and even though the temp in Hamilton seemed good the little rise that the track is on was its usual 'breezy' self (I know I am getting old)
I stayed for 5 races but when I found myself staying in the lounge for a race, I knew it was time to go. It was beautiful when I got home an hour away so I think it must have just been me, considering they didn't even have their little bar radiators out in the lounge today. Nevertheless I still think it is time for Hamilton to get themselves a Coonara for the lounge - they can hit me for a donation (they would only need to find about 10 of us)
Regardless of no heating their lounge beats mine anyway because it is a pleasure to watch the Mediatec stream and replays in full HD (that should have been my excuse for staying in the lounge - it sounds tougher)

Straight off I was impressed that the Race book not only had the track record listed for each race but also the Age/Sex record for each race - I have not noticed that before

As far as amusing myself between races, well I ate far too much - 2 hamburgers with the lot and coffee and cake
I checked out Our Little General to see if he is as small as he looks on the track - Anne, how many hands is he? Did it affect his sale price?

Stabled just up from him was the cutest thing I saw at the track today - Kelsrockndownunder (R2) had a a miniature horse for his travelling companion

The Pick 6 competition always fills in the space between 2 races
I would not be surprised if someone snagged it as I only missed by choosing the wrong option when debating between 2 in the trot

One advantage of a big space between races is that I only missed watching one race live as I was home in time for the last 2 (turns out it only takes 58min from Halls Gap)

[Bonnie]

Hi Kev. Yes he is only small. Around 14 hands I would think. He thinks he is a giant and acts like the king around the stables. His Dam Kabbalah Karen B was a very fast racemare 1.52.8 and $285,098 in the States . She is a Western Terror and is not a big mare. OLG is her second foal and created a lot of interest at the yearling sales but some buyers were put off by his small stature. We wanted more but he was sold at the APG sale for $38,000 and we retained a share. I love his attitude to racing, he thrives on it and when Chris said go yesterday he put a space in them very quickly. KKB is in foal to Mach 3 again and the Vet says it's a boy ! We hope she's right.

[Fan of Jate]

Not many 3 y/o's hold an open class track record in Australia. Brilliant performance

[Messenger]

Thanks for the insight Anne.
With better conditions, a better draw and full fitness OLG would take a very Large chunk out of his own Tk record
Pat, you're spot on about it taking a pretty special 3yo

[Fan of Jate]

Now this is a scuffle- some prominent Tasmania harness people involved in this and no cobalt in sight




http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Trainer-disqualifications-over-dinner-brawl

[trish]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAX6KTvXkAAl_FF.jpg:large
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Just seen this picture, absolutely crazy! Thankfully both horse and jockey are ok

[Messenger]

This is what I call a crowd - Elitloppet 2015 (this year's Eli is fast approaching)

[Messenger]

Mare Live Lavish is going around in a Claimer at Terang in a few minutes.
By the good broodmare sire Live or Die, she has won 11 races and only has a price of $9k on her

[Messenger]

Searching all the states to see if I could spot where Chris Alford is, I noticed that at both their Friday and Saturday night meetings, Globe Derby has some races for $2500. Geez they must be going bad

[Fan of Jate]

Liv Lavish did not get claimed- but probably worth the $9k Kev

[trish]

B Yole had 37 horses in at Launceston tonight. 3 scratched so 34 still in.

[Messenger]

B Yole had 37 horses in at Launceston tonight. 3 scratched so 34 still in.

Tassie have 8 meetings for the whole of June - how can anyone possibly be a professional?
With all these starters tonight does that mean he is likely to decimate Hobart on Sunday with a lot of scratchings as
21 of the same horses are nominated there!

[trish]

With all of his out that would leave about 55 for the meeting. Launceston.

[Fan of Jate]

As you guys can see, things are done differently down here in the Apple isle. He puts the Bonds and G. Hall to shame with the amount of noms for each race. K. Prentice had 5 in the diamond classic in Perth last night which is a big effort, incidentally it was won by a long shot and not one of KP horses either.

[Messenger]

I always thought you were a West Aussie Pat

[Fan of Jate]

No Kev, moved over to the Apple Isle 8-9 months ago although I do still own a couple of slow ones in Perth

[trish]

http://cnt.winkal.com/51a50f6ae4b03f96f0890b9b/XNR9_700.jpg

[Messenger]

You would be the cat Trish ;)

[Fan of Jate]

What's happening with race 9 tonight at Melton? An M0-M2 worth $5000 and only 6 horses in it. Supposed to be the home of harness racing and a Friday night as well !!!

[Messenger]

What's happening with race 9 tonight at Melton? An M0-M2 worth $5000 and only 6 horses in it. Supposed to be the home of harness racing and a Friday night as well !!!

The reduction in stakes in Vic is ominous, compare it to NSW where they held a Tuesday meet worth more than our Friday. This Saturday's Menangle meet might have a couple of cheap Metro races but cheap up there is $11k and the rest of the program is also much greater than Melton's even when Melton is having an above average Friday (the $5k race is probably Vic's way of affording some $20k races)

[aussiebreno]

What's happening with race 9 tonight at Melton? An M0-M2 worth $5000 and only 6 horses in it. Supposed to be the home of harness racing and a Friday night as well !!!
A full field would be nice but really whats the problem? It gives horses on their mark a chance to win a race instead of racing against in form M0-M2 horses and being retired because non-competitive and it means these 6 horses aren't dropping back in grade so it isn't unfair on the lower graded horses.

[Messenger]

A full field would be nice but really whats the problem? It gives horses on their mark a chance to win a race instead of racing against in form M0-M2 horses and being retired because non-competitive and it means these 6 horses aren't dropping back in grade so it isn't unfair on the lower graded horses.

Fair point Breno but I believe in paying the performers that put on the show. Maybe they don't deserve to be racing for $20k (Mind you Stagger Lee is only a 5yo who won his M0 at his last start) but $5k? Will this race bring in a ¼ of the turnover/revenue that a $20k will?
In the tiered racing thread Kyle asked what has happened to the $10k races - if this race on a Friday night at Melton is only allocated $5k it is hard to imagine what race is going to receive $10k

[aussiebreno]

Fair point Breno but I believe in paying the performers that put on the show. Maybe they don't deserve to be racing for $20k (Mind you Stagger Lee is only a 5yo who won his M0 at his last start) but $5k? Will this race bring in a ¼ of the turnover/revenue that a $20k will?
In the tiered racing thread Kyle asked what has happened to the $10k races - if this race on a Friday night at Melton is only allocated $5k it is hard to imagine what race is going to receive $10k
Chance at 1st prize is better than being an also run or retired in terms of paying the performer. Stagger Lee and Stewart horse change the equation - but they werent the horses they were trying to get in the race.
Had it been a C6+ no better than M2 for $5000 at a midweek country meeting would you be ok with it?

[Fan of Jate]

Probably the Len Smith mile Kevin, and some of the martians would find no problem with that either.

[Messenger]

Chance at 1st prize is better than being an also run or retired in terms of paying the performer. Stagger Lee and Stewart horse change the equation - but they werent the horses they were trying to get in the race.
Had it been a C6+ no better than M2 for $5000 at a midweek country meeting would you be ok with it?

You did not address my post at all Brendan.
If they did not want Stagger Lee or the Stewart horse they should have attached conditions to insure so. They may have only had 4 starters so maybe the $5k is too skinny to be attractive

[aussiebreno]

You did not address my post at all Brendan.
If they did not want Stagger Lee or the Stewart horse they should have attached conditions to insure so. They may have only had 4 starters so maybe the $5k is too skinny to be attractive
Would have thought better ones go in the $18K race. Possibly could put another clause on it but they are trying to make more horses competetive so its a tick from me rather than berating them.

[Amlin]

Fair point Breno but I believe in paying the performers that put on the show. Maybe they don't deserve to be racing for $20k (Mind you Stagger Lee is only a 5yo who won his M0 at his last start) but $5k? Will this race bring in a ¼ of the turnover/revenue that a $20k will?
In the tiered racing thread Kyle asked what has happened to the $10k races - if this race on a Friday night at Melton is only allocated $5k it is hard to imagine what race is going to receive $10k

This 5k race is likely a Supplementary race given they got enough noms of "like" class. Ironically it may produce the biggest % profit on the night based on tote income compared to prizemoney paid out.

Doubt the winner does an M front despite it being an M race as the rules state an M penalty race must be worth more than I think $14,999

[Messenger]

This 5k race is likely a Supplementary race given they got enough noms of "like" class. Ironically it may produce the biggest % profit on the night based on tote income compared to prizemoney paid out.

Doubt the winner does an M front despite it being an M race as the rules state an M penalty race must be worth more than I think $14,999

So that explains it. Like Breno, I would have thought the top 2 should have been in the $18k race

[Fan of Jate]

No doubt some of those horses were not at the "retirement stage" as suggested based on their recent form. So we assume it was a supplementary race because they don't advertise it. The time wasn't slow either. If solarsonic and Stagger Lee are not better than Grins rendition I will eat my hat.

[arlington]

Not a bad result all round, $1.80 favourite in a 6 horse field for a Stewart runner. Like Kyle said, only a country penalty and quite possibly a profitable outcome for HRV/the industry.
No one forces you to nominate for a supplementary race, pays for a few weeks training fees instead of trialling or being an also ran as Breno suggested. Pick up a C class race you can't get back if you win an M.
For the better class/in form horse like Stagger Lee and Solarsonic it's a bit like the quality 3yo's returning and running in a C0. If you win through your sires campaign without grabbing a C0/C1 first you've lost that opportunity. A loophole (another thread) but in this case $1.80 v $1.04.
Don't really see the need to list it on the card as a supp race, let your eye be your...when you're having a dabble.

[Messenger]

Thanks for copying that Wayne, as previously stated my problem with it is the prizemoney - paying those who put on the show. Even that that small field with 2 standouts attracted over 2/3rds of the turnover that the $20k race before it did.
I think if the $10k tier really exists then this should be a $10k race

[aussiebreno]

Thanks for copying that Wayne, as previously stated my problem with it is the prizemoney - paying those who put on the show. Even that that small field with 2 standouts attracted over 2/3rds of the turnover that the $20k race before it did.
I think if the $10k tier really exists then this should be a $10k race
I'm sure they could have scrapped the C4+ mares and scrapped the Supp M0-M2 race and just ran one of those races for $10K for a traditional 8 race card.

[arlington]

As Kyle asked in another thread "...where have all the $10,000 races in the country gone?" From memory the split up under the tiered system saw 400 10K races proposed, obviously about 8 per week and was it mainly/only Friday and Saturday meetings, and yep, country meetings having most i.e. if Melton metro was Friday, the Saturday country meeting would be 10K and if Melton raced Saturday the country Friday meeting was 10K. Can see how that adds up to 400 races.
So, other than offering more opportunities with the Supp races, which I'm not against, the million $ deficit forecast is being clawed back by the Supps instead of 10K races?

[KTQ]

There are 11 war-related named 2 year olds in WA this season. War Club, Fight Song, The War Nurse, Billy Boeing (maybe a stretch), Bee Seventeen, Enemy Lines, Naval Aviator, Ultimate Major, Allwood Peacemaker, Beach Landing and Warriors Code. I thought that was interesting

[Messenger]

It is Katie. Not a WA 2yo but I see War Dan Bad Girl is no.19 on the Top 2yo's chart

[Fan of Jate]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Soho-Tribeca-Petacular-Veterinary-Findings-

Be a shame if Soho Tribeca goes down for a while. Great looking horse , tons of ability and nowhere near his peak

[Messenger]

The other finalist in that report - Petacular has trialled and been cleared

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Bleeder-Petacular-cleared-to-race

[Fan of Jate]

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/063002rs.htm

How easy was that?....races 1 and 2

[Messenger]

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/063002rs.htm

How easy was that?....races 1 and 2

Stakes breakdown determined by the number of starters
SO Mass Destruction takes it all
(We are talking about the 2 races PRIOR to R1 folks)

[Fan of Jate]

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/063032rs.htm

Same thing at Addington

[arlington]

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/results/063002rs.htm

How easy was that?....races 1 and 2


Won't happen from 2019. All heats to be run in Victoria.


I imagine in these races, NZ and interstate, the $5000 is what HRV allocates to the race so has to be distributed. Up to the club to add if they want.

[KTQ]

Won't happen from 2019. All heats to be run in Victoria.


I imagine in these races, NZ and interstate, the $5000 is what HRV allocates to the race so has to be distributed. Up to the club to add if they want.

What's the final worth?

[trish]

this is last years finals.......http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX280816&ms=vic




it was worth more years ago

[trish]

didn't they used to have 2 & 3yo???? http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Massive-Enhancements-to-Ladbrokes-APG-Race-Series

[Messenger]

this is last years finals.......http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX280816&ms=vic




it was worth more years ago

They are the Breeders Crown results Trish, these are the APG results

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?rc=MXM06051706&ms=VIC#MXM06051706

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC290417&ms=nsw#PCM29041701

This is the honour roll, which shows that they had 3yo races until 2012

http://www.apgold.com.au/race-series-gold-bonus/all-time-3yo-apg-winners/

[arlington]

What's the final worth?

In reference to posts 146 - 149 Australasian Breeders Crown

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=29080

[trish]

Thanks Wayne.


Breeders Crown 2yo's finals. 2009 was $311k , 2010 was $308k , 2011 was $312k , 2012 was $303k.

[Mighty Atom]

Could someone please explain to me why the 3yo Breeders Crown finals is worth 95K less than the 2yo final? Is it because there are not as many 2 year old races as 3 year olds? This seems a big discrepency and should be reviewed.

[aussiebreno]

Getting prizemoney back to those who paid sustaining fees quicker. Its essentially the 2yos grand final who only race for half a season, compared to 3yos who have had Derbys and Oaks right throughout the season.

[KTQ]

Smolda has been retired :(

[Fan of Jate]

Great career and won most of the big ones.

[Mighty Atom]

Getting prizemoney back to those who paid sustaining fees quicker. Its essentially the 2yos grand final who only race for half a season, compared to 3yos who have had Derbys and Oaks right throughout the season.

Thanks.

[Messenger]

Who are these Howletts ? ;)

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Howlett-makes-a-wise-decision

[KTQ]

Who are these Howletts ? ;)

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Howlett-makes-a-wise-decision

Just a little pack o' nobody country folk.. Actually, I can't believe dad gave an interview! ;)
I want him to win so bad. If only wishing for something with every ounce of your being helped

[Fan of Jate]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Tiger-s-terrific-draw

Looks like they have forgotten about Major Crocker

[KTQ]

Just a little pack o' nobody country folk.. Actually, I can't believe dad gave an interview! ;)
I want him to win so bad. If only wishing for something with every ounce of your being helped

It helped! He did it!!!!!!! :D :D :D

[Messenger]

Never in doubt Katie :cool:

[Toohard]

Just a little pack o' nobody country folk.. Actually, I can't believe dad gave an interview! ;)
I want him to win so bad. If only wishing for something with every ounce of your being helped

Congrats Katie and family!!

[trish]

Hi Kevin , I'm not very good at putting photos on, and don't know why it came out so big ,but this is a great photo.

[Messenger]

A somewhat smaller version is now in the Great Pics thread Trish :)

[trish]

Thank you Kevin.

[Fan of Jate]

Good day for punters at Maryborough today with 7 favourites getting home.

[Amlin]

Bechers Brook debuts at Northam tomorrow - the full brother to Our Waikiki Beach. Two impressive trial wins at Byford recently in preparation

[Messenger]

Thanks for the heads up Kyle. R1 7.17pm AEST

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=NM180717#1

[Messenger]

Good day for punters at Maryborough today with 7 favourites getting home.

and only 3 of them VERY short

[Messenger]

Thanks for the heads up Kyle. R1 7.17pm AEST

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=NM180717#1

He looked the goods!
A COLT we would all love to own (with an eye to the future/breeding barn)
What a pedigree, super sires galore and as well as OWB as his full bro, I love seeing my old favourite Chandon in there (half bro to 2nd dam)

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=NM180717&ms=wa#NMC18071714

[Fan of Jate]

yes, not bad time for a 2 y/o either.

[Fan of Jate]

It won again today at GP...

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GP240717&ms=wa

[KTQ]

It won again today at GP...

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GP240717&ms=wa

You'd want it to win in a 3 horse field.

[Fan of Jate]

Cursing the handicappers at RWWA , had a horse nicely lined up for an RO and missed a gig because of the points in reverse system meant that he was supposedly the best horse in the field despite never having won a race, or even got a place in his 4 starts , the last of which was 7 months ago....... so ended up on a race in which at least 6 horses had won and some had won 3. Work that out.

[trish]

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/article-display/Purchase-Of-2600-Acre-Property-For-Equine-Welfare/23393




Good that RNSW brought this place for the galloping ponies . Maybe HRNSW can do the same thing.

[trish]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-kirribilli-club-eyes-155-million-sale-amid-mounting-debts-20140808-1027j8.html




Did HRNSW buy this?? Anyone know??

[Messenger]

I know I have mentioned this family before but with (Our) Lady Madonna winning at Yarra Valley today and me being a huge Beatles fan, here it is again

Lady Madonna - Back in the USSR - Paperback Writer - Norwegian Wood

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=YG310717&ms=vic#YGC31071706

Norwegain Wood was where it all began

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=MAREPROGENY&Arg=hrnzg-HorseId&Arg=59223&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=TRUE

[Fan of Jate]

Great little story Kev, may it continue.

[KTQ]

My dad has two nominated for WA horses of the year, which is pretty special to the family. Jack Mac for 2yo colt or gelding and Sunnys Little Whiz for Aged Mare. She's up against the pacers, which makes it tough seeing as though we only have 1 Group One trotting race in WA. I think The Parade will win based on big races. We're very proud of them both and I'm proud as punch of Barry. Will probably never again have the season we did this year so enjoying it immensely while it lasts.

[Messenger]

It will be interesting to find out why Echuca has been cancelled/abandoned (Sky and TAB saying so EVEN if HRV not showing so)
Echuca does not have a regular BOM weather update but nearby Kyabram is only showing 7mm of rain this afternoon

HRV cannot afford to lose 10 races

[Showgrounds]

It will be interesting to find out why Echuca has been cancelled/abandoned (Sky and TAB saying so EVEN if HRV not showing so)
Echuca does not have a regular BOM weather update but nearby Kyabram is only showing 7mm of rain this afternoon

HRV cannot afford to lose 10 races

All came down in one lump.

[Messenger]

Like I said no real weather observations available for Echuca but they must have got it before Kyabram as Kyabram have had another 10mm since I posted about the 7mm

[Messenger]

'Marburg top place for a fun punt' says the story

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Zeron-looking-for-2-straight-Hambletonian-wins

A fun?/small punt is all it would be as the Bookie was absolutely giving nothing away at this Non TAB

I don't know which was the worst market LOL
Maybe the last where we saw $1.60 $2.20 $3.00 $3.60 $4.60 all in the market

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=UG050817&ms=qld

[Messenger]

Stawell harness racing club has Poker night on Mondays, maybe clubs not already hosting poker should consider it as there will be plenty of players looking for a game as the government on August 9 passed the Interactive Gambling Amendment Bill (2016) effectively banning all online gambling sites that are not locally licensed under Australian State or Territory law.

[Messenger]

Anybody know what was the cause of the Vic TAB's problems yesterday. They put all the races back one but even then had to start meetings even though they could not take bets until the 3rd race

[Messenger]

Any non connection going to Kilmore tonight deserves to receive a $100 bill on entering.
At 5.30 the Feels Like Temperature at nearby Kilmore Gap Weather Station is already Below 3°

[Fan of Jate]

Be a cool night for those hardy enough to venture out, especially if there is a bit of rain.

[Messenger]

How is this for a winning margin, the caller got a bit carried away calling it 80m
The filly was far too good for the older mares but I am not sure that any of them are likely to find the winning post in the foreseeable future as the time was not sizzling

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=KI160817&ms=vic#KIC16081704

[KTQ]

I haven't read it before but seeing as there are 3 WA horses in the Breeders Crown heats, I took a look at the form analysis for Bendigo. Jason Bonnington writes really nicely. A really good form wrap up unlike WA's "this horse is an each way chance, and this horse is an each way chance. That one's a novelty hope. As is that one. And tht one. And that one and this one. They're allllll each way hopes or novelty chances!!! Hurrahhh"

[Messenger]

I know we are talking late 2yo but it has to be exciting to have a 2yo win in 1.55.2 at his first start, especially when the Open Tk Record is only 1.54.4

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=HS210817&ms=vic#HSC21081707

[Messenger]

Maybe I have not been following them closely enough but it seems ages since we had one lose a race on protest (Vic)

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GE230817&ms=vic#GEC23081703

[trish]

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[trish]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=34635


bit unfortunate first few words there.

[Messenger]

What a difference one letter can make LOL

[Messenger]

The locals certainly stitched up Emma Stewart's $1.30 fav in R5 at Terang tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=TE290817&ms=vic#TEC29081703

[Messenger]

87 horses that have never won a race going around at Maryborough today

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MH310817&fromstate=vic

[Fan of Jate]

Nothing special on tonight although a listed classic race at Gloucester park should be worth watching, only 6 in the race but I believe all of these horses will be nominated for the Inter Dominion. Connections will be looking for a big race from Runoneover and hoping like crikey he does'nt choke down.

[trish]

Tasmanian horse cruelty story

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4888713/horses-left-to-die-in-a-paddock/

http://www.harnesslink.com/News/What-happened-to-the-starving-horses-seized-in-Tasmania-s-North-

[Fan of Jate]

A lot of people I know would like 5 mins alone with this bloke

[Messenger]

If he was doing it tough, there is no excuse for not reaching out for help. His property was first visited in April 2016 and he received directions from the RSPCA to care for the horses - he was still racing horses after this as this link to a late May driving suspension shows

http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-reports-detail.cfm?mc=LN290516

"Toulmin has also been banned from having custody of horses or livestock for the next five years."

http://harnessnews.com.au/2017/08/suspended-sentence-for-animal-cruelty/

[Fan of Jate]

Nice work Kev, slowly but surely we are eradicating these types of people from the industry.

[trish]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-02/winx-earns-19th-straight-win-in-chelmsford-stakes/8866700


My dad was in the gallops years ago , I wish he had stayed there.

[Fan of Jate]

Brothers in arms -brothers win consecutive races 3 & 4 at Shepparton tonight -does this happen very often?

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP060917&ms=vic

[Messenger]

Full brothers is pretty amazing Pat. The running double paid $96

[Amlin]

Port Pirie have one of their "race twice in one night" events on Friday. Both races are drawn according to class, yet the barrier draw for the second event has come out differently than the first!?

[Toohard]

Port Pirie have one of their "race twice in one night" events on Friday. Both races are drawn according to class, yet the barrier draw for the second event has come out differently than the first!?

Looks like they dont just draw them in barrier number order according to class like they do here again now. So higher class ones draw outside front. R4 gets a lift for mare. So the two R3s draw outside. Rest are R1/2 ... couple have claiming drivers. So they still have to have couple of RBD for all them assessed equally. I guess...

[aussiebreno]

R1s
Ultimate Luck
Hodor (R2 but has claim driver)
Artegra
Berry Delight (R2 but has claim driver)
Genuine Excuse

R2s
Ramirez


R3s
Melegend (R4 but mare claim)
Oliver Jack



The 5x R1s share the best 5 draws randomly (#1, #2, #3, #4, #7). The R2 gets the next best draw (#8). 2x R3s share the worst two draws randomly (#5 and #6).

[trish]

Dew A Little Dance is the latest winner for @ARocknrollDance (https://twitter.com/ARocknrollDance)! Of A Rocknroll Dance's 68 live 2yos, 48 have raced and 30 have won!




He is doing a very good job in the states. Lets hope he can do the same in Australia .

[Fan of Jate]

Good to see my Hard Copy back in action- won a fast trial a few weeks ago- didnt do to well in the August Cup in his first start back for a year but has won $998k.

[Messenger]

Now charging $5 to get in at Maryborough - without pokies, I guess they need to keep up

[trish]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=34760






7 years.....I could say more but I would get banned.

[KTQ]

We are still struggling to find good, nay ANY, stablehands/trackworkers/junior trainers. Anyone have any insight into what they are being paid these days?

Are there any secret channels we can use to find some? Currently advertising on 2 x Facebook trading groups as well as the Trading Ring on .org. Is it a WA thing? A location thing? An industry issue?

I'm going to have to move home to help out the way it's going

[Fan of Jate]

Might get a few now the weather has improved in the lower parts of WA. Pay about $600 a week.

[KTQ]

Might get a few now the weather has improved in the lower parts of WA. Pay about $600 a week.

any idea of going hourly rate? Fingers crossed for warm weather!

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Shocking-law-change

Just another ramification of the law that stops all us Aussie poker players from playing online now

[Fan of Jate]

an hourly rate jeez, is that with double strength toilet paper supplied? No wonder they cant get anyone.

[KTQ]

an hourly rate jeez, is that with double strength toilet paper supplied? No wonder they cant get anyone.

Is that a bad thing? That way they get paid for the work they do rather than making them work overtime on salary. Not to mention the rate is darn good in my eyes.. but I work in advertising where hours are long and salary is not reflective

[Fan of Jate]

Yes it is.

And a reminder to one's self to never go to Vancouver looking for work.

Didnt the employer advertise the pay rate?......not sure how that is supposed to get anybody.

It is simple maths using the standard going rate which i previously supplied.....$600 a week divided by 60 hrs per week =$10 an hr. I can imagine all the applicants really knocking the barn door down for that. Will the wage include superannuation and 10 days sick leave a year or will it be on a contract rate? There are laws regarding employment/basic wages etc in this country which a few employers like to disregard. Some large employers have been caught lately doing just that. I think the basic wage for a person over the age of 18 is about $17 per hr and that would equate to about 33 hrs per week based on the $600 weekly rate. What happens when the stable is not winning? I am also talking about a stablehand who can most probably do fast work, so they are practically experienced and trustworthy around the horses. The moral of this story is that if you want a cross between Gary Hall snr and jnr for $10 an hr...forget it.

[Fan of Jate]

Shez all rock will be mighty hard to beat at Melton in the fillies classic on Friday night. Her heat time at Bendigo was 3 secs faster than the boys and that was her first race.

[Fan of Jate]

And with Yankee roller in the C&G race it might even be a Rock n roll Heaven/E.Stewart double

[Messenger]

Is that a bad thing? That way they get paid for the work they do rather than making them work overtime on salary. Not to mention the rate is darn good in my eyes.. but I work in advertising where hours are long and salary is not reflective

I think younger people have come to accept a lack of appreciation and remuneration for dedication nowadays Katie. I have 2 children around 30 who have Masters and serious jobs - one in HR with a BIG bank and one in public relations with a very prestigious club I won't name. They often go above and beyond especially in hours and it seems to me that they do not get fantastic remuneration. I believed in Unions and it seems to me that governments have pretty much beaten the union movement and you young people are suffering as a result - the business pages of late have regularly said that the lack of wages growth is hurting the economy. LOL seems fair that businesses are suffering too for not paying employees enough

[KTQ]

Yes it is.

And a reminder to one's self to never go to Vancouver looking for work.

Didnt the employer advertise the pay rate?......not sure how that is supposed to get anybody.

It is simple maths using the standard going rate which i previously supplied.....$600 a week divided by 60 hrs per week =$10 an hr. I can imagine all the applicants really knocking the barn door down for that. Will the wage include superannuation and 10 days sick leave a year or will it be on a contract rate? There are laws regarding employment/basic wages etc in this country which a few employers like to disregard. Some large employers have been caught lately doing just that. I think the basic wage for a person over the age of 18 is about $17 per hr and that would equate to about 33 hrs per week based on the $600 weekly rate. What happens when the stable is not winning? I am also talking about a stablehand who can most probably do fast work, so they are practically experienced and trustworthy around the horses. The moral of this story is that if you want a cross between Gary Hall snr and jnr for $10 an hr...forget it.

In that case, our wages arent the barrier here for applicants. Must be that there are just no workers out there to apply.


Kev, expectations these days in some industries are just insane. Should have been a computer programmer.

[Fan of Jate]

That may be the perception that there are not enough workers to apply but in reality work is tough to get in WA especially the last 2 years with the massive mining downturn. Working for a stable is not a brilliant career move unless you are very talented or just cant get any other type of work, it is not rocket science either. Job security is basically nil compared to a "normal job" and unions dont get a look in. All stable hands i have met/been associated with have been good workers and have an enthusiastic approach to their work and put up with a bit of shite along the way but they do move on after a while looking for something better.

The other thing which crossed my mind was that the industry has tightened up a bit over the last couple of years by means that the big stables are winning most of the races now and squeezing out the smaller trainers and even breeders so that means less work and the good stable/hands and foremans' are staying put if they have a job with the bigger stables. But $17-$22 should be reasonable pay for a semi-skilled worker. I have seen people on various forums actually looking for work in the racing industry but that was a few months ago and they have either scored a job or given up. It surprises me a bit that the positions have not been filled. I dont believe a semi-skilled person should work extra hrs in their work day for no pay. The rules are totally different for professional people in banks, govt offices etc. who work extra hrs without pay but thats another story.

[trish]

Avonnova has won $681039 since being claimed, for 20 grand.

[Messenger]

An 1150m race at Bendigo!
Why don't we reduce it to 700m and substitute dogs for horses :rolleyes:

[Messenger]

10yo Nugget Pan has won 9 out of 79 (only really been racing 4 and a bit seasons) with 23 placings and is definitely a Swan Hill specialist. 6 of his wins have been at the track
There were two 10yo winners for the day

We do not have many deadheats nowadays but the 3yo's produced one in the first today

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=FD170917&ms=vic

[Hermione]

Just as a matter of interest, I clicked on the link for deadheat and when I finished checking all the results clicked on Home Page button and it took me to old format of Harness Oz??

[Messenger]

It is still the main site until tomorrow Jan

[trish]

http://harnessnews.com.au/2017/09/owner-devastated-by-fraudulent-trainer/

[Messenger]

Anybody know what has happened at Mildura tonight
R4 Abandoned and program running late

[Amlin]

A fall saw one of the races abandoned and re-run I think

[Messenger]

Noel Shinn drove a running double at Yarra Glen yesterday (which Ruth Shinn trained) - is that THE Noel Shinn or a namesake?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=YG021017&ms=vic#YGC02101710

[Fan of Jate]

This Noel Shinn is a 65 y/o veteran harness driver/breeder with many wins to his credit in days gone by, but not to many in the last few seasons...!!!! He is a member of that famous racing family.

[Messenger]

Thanks Pat, I knew he was still around but thought he may have been a bit older than that and could possibly have had a grandson.
I am away from home with only my tablet and would look up how many winners Noel drove last season but one thing the new site has not done is to make it any easier to find drivers chronicles. If only we could get some NZ expertise - on their site, I would only have to click on his name on the results page

[KTQ]

Thanks Pat, I knew he was still around but thought he may have been a bit older than that and could possibly have had a grandson.
I am away from home with only my tablet and would look up how many winners Noel drove last season but one thing the new site has not done is to make it any easier to find drivers chronicles. If only we could get some NZ expertise - on their site, I would only have to click on his name on the results page

On that note, is the best times by distance info still available? It used to be on homepage

[Adaptor]

This Noel Shinn is a 65 y/o veteran harness driver/breeder with many wins to his credit in days gone by, but not to many in the last few seasons...!!!! He is a member of that famous racing family.

Noel Shinn
A member of the Shinn Family with a century of participation in trotting. Noel’s grand-father Hubert won races in four States and captured a Melbourne driving premiership in 1933/34. His sons were Bill, Frank and Reg.
Noel son of Reg, has achieved the most Melbourne driving (158) and training (198) successes of any of the family. Had the first triple Victorian Sire Stakes champion Colbruce, and Inter-dominion finalists Colbruce and Stormrider. Galarion won 10 of only 14 starts. Noel drove all nine winning foals of broodmare gem Pilgrim.

[Fan of Jate]

Kev, he has not driven much in the past 4/5 seasons from the information I gleaned from the HRA website. I found that info pretty easy, just a matter of selecting the right options in the top twenty section.

[Fan of Jate]

Chicago bull vs Soho Tribeca and Shandale for a place. The JP stratton cup at GP friday night should be a top race.

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=GP061017

[Messenger]

Kev, he has not driven much in the past 4/5 seasons from the information I gleaned from the HRA website. I found that info pretty easy, just a matter of selecting the right options in the top twenty section.

You are smarter than me Pat. I have links to things like that in my favourites on my desktop but being away from home - I thought Top 20 meant just that - I used their search facility and typed in Drivers chronicles and got the answer = found 0

[aussiebreno]

Daniel Rose a pearler of a drive in race 7 at Echuca.

[Messenger]

He certainly seemed to seize the moment Brendan - I wonder what the QDT is about?

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=EC051017&ms=vic#ECC05101702

[Messenger]

I sure am glad we do not have Gp races where 4/5 runners are from the same stable - I cannot imagine it does much for turnover (even worse than your regular 5 horse race)

http://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahr/fields/100632fd.htm#Race-7

[Messenger]

NSW awards

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Winners-all-round

Is Million Dollar Cam really the best Sire you have up there?

[Ray White]

Nothing wrong with Ameretto and a handy bunch of bread and butter horses from not a lot of foals

[Messenger]

Nobody said there was Ray
He had had 179 foals of racing age up until last season.
From last season's winners Ameretto was the only one to have lifetime prizemoney over $30k - Best Sire in NSW for last season? Is what I am asking - I am a Vic and only cast an occasional eye over NSW

[Fan of Jate]

Ben Yole had nine horses in this C 2 race 7 at Launceston and the result was that he had the first 6 placegetters. Not exactly Mark Purdon like....but getting there

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=LN081017