ODDS AND ENDS - not worth a thread but worth a post

[brent_L]

Silly thing is Brent the horse that went from 1/1 to try to get to the death is a Mildura local Trainer Driver.
With a Cramp horse leading (2nd Fav) and a Cramp horse in the death seat (4th Fav), and you are $28.70 whats the real chance of you gettin the death?
Zero.
And the exact score out of ten I award for the drive.

[arlington]

I did more racing at the athletic track myself Wayne - your local knowledge makes me think we may have lived closed to each other at some point. As well as that I taught in West Heidelberg for 10yrs


Might be getting a bit of topic Kev so I'll bring up Bruce Skeggs OAM again. I take it he never got your vote :) Dips my lid, 10 years teaching in West Heidelberg! I knew a girl who did her student teaching rounds at Waterdale High. Lived out past 'borough but knew the ath's track well, mainly driving past but had a run around or two, Watsonia High School aths. Left the area in my mid 20's.

[brent_L]

Anyone out there clued up on the D Graham situation in Brizzy?? He has just had all his horses SCR today......order of stewards.

[Sofoulis]

Yes - a misunderstanding between on-course vet, stewards and Darrell meant that Darrell, who was looking out for the welfare of his horses, gave his horses a drink of water with molasses (bought from stewards)... this was done after consultation with the vet and steward at stables only for the broader steward team to declare it as giving his horses an unfair advantage and therefore ordering his horses scratched.

I understand that in every other normal part of Australia, allowing your horses to drink before a race (with or without molasses) is permitted. Seems QLD stewards are of a different view.

Darrell had one of mine in today (now scratched) and I am glad he did what he did - I would much prefer my horse have a drink and be scratched rather than dehydrate... just wish the stewards could have some common sense (and trust their on-course vets) a little more...

We move on...

[Toohard]

Yes - a misunderstanding between on-course vet, stewards and Darrell meant that Darrell, who was looking out for the welfare of his horses, gave his horses a drink of water with molasses (bought from stewards)... this was done after consultation with the vet and steward at stables only for the broader steward team to declare it as giving his horses an unfair advantage and therefore ordering his horses scratched.

I understand that in every other normal part of Australia, allowing your horses to drink before a race (with or without molasses) is permitted. Seems QLD stewards are of a different view.

Darrell had one of mine in today (now scratched) and I am glad he did what he did - I would much prefer my horse have a drink and be scratched rather than dehydrate... just wish the stewards could have some common sense (and trust their on-course vets) a little more...

We move on...

Gday Adam. Are you serious?? You paying up to have your horse trained and race and they do that?

Maybe Darrells bucket was 50mm too wide.

[brent_L]

Beggars belief!

[Sofoulis]

Ha! Yeah, I did ask him to re-measure his bucket and to check that his shoe laces matched his underwear... he had all of that covered... but alas, he can lead a horse to water but if a steward doesn't allow it to drink.......

[Toohard]

Ha! Yeah, I did ask him to re-measure his bucket and to check that his shoe laces matched his underwear... he had all of that covered... but alas, he can lead a horse to water but if a steward doesn't allow it to drink.......

Gobsmacked! Thought Ballarat Cup fiasco silliest thing I ever witnessed but Qld go one better. Feel for you.

[Messenger]

What has happened to the results for races 3 & 6 at Kilmore tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=KI150115&ms=vic

[Amlin]

A great sight later today (Friday) when Scottsdale races their once a year meeting on the TAB/SKY circuit on SKY2 from just after 5pm Melbourne time.


All stand start racing around a track which circles the local footy ground about 740 metres around with a straight of 80 metres. Apparently they get a big roll-up of people too. Another of those quaint little venues that have been a part of the sport forever on the Apple Isle.


Fields - http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=SC160115

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWi7hNkLGvd52NnlUMvvgQcaieSqbML nR61rp_d3xhPnDsGpMw (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigertigerburningbright.com.a u%2Fscottsdale-1973%2F&ei=O0i4VJeUEYPlmAXv74HIAQ&bvm=bv.83829542,d.dGY&psig=AFQjCNFoUKNb0P6TiPW0WtxUOwYtBD_DAQ&ust=1421449645595444)

[Messenger]

Sadly just one race before abandoned

[Messenger]

Is Anthony Robinson whipping the winner for 100m after the post?

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GD170115&ms=sa#GDM17011502

[Richard prior]

Jesus, The guy must be an Idiot, The horse has won the race so why keep hitting it.

[brent_L]

Fair go gents. Think you'll find Anthony was trying to steer clear of the 450kg beast running uncontrollably up his backside.

[Maorisidol]

Jesus, The guy must be an Idiot, The horse has won the race so why keep hitting it.

Looked to me the horse started to pullup a bit early immediately before the line, he was reminding it to keep giving and run thru the line imo...

[Richard prior]

It's a real pet hate of mine Ash, I don't like seeing a horse getting flogged after going past the post or if it's well beaten before the line.

[Messenger]

Looked to me the horse started to pullup a bit early immediately before the line, he was reminding it to keep giving and run thru the line imo...

Yeah I think you might be right Ash

[Richard prior]

Looked to me the horse started to pullup a bit early immediately before the line, he was reminding it to keep giving and run thru the line imo...
Probably right Ash, Maybe it was knocking off just before the line, A lot can do that that.

[Maorisidol]

Quick mention to Avonnova, well done last night coming down from Qld and running a 1:52.8 wining the FFA at Menangle.

[Messenger]

With so many pink colours going around it was bound to happen one day Kev, especially with that split coming and considering the posn of the horses when you had last called them. No matter to the owners - they owned both

[p plater]

Not Fred, Kevin Thompson called Menangle last night

[Messenger]

Not Fred, Kevin Thompson called Menangle last night

Thanks Bailey - I will correct
My cochlear cannot even pick my bro in law LOL

[brent_L]

Not Fred, Kevin Thompson called Menangle last night
He didn't have a great night last night at all......tough job and it happens to the best of them from time to time.

[brent_L]

Its a shame more mile races at Menangle aren't run like R3 last night. It truly was a race full of non-stop action as opposed to what I consider the norm.......zero moves in the 2nd & 3rd qrts.

[brent_L]

Is Anthony Robinson whipping the winner for 100m after the post?

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GD170115&ms=sa#GDM17011502
The one thing I picked correctly all Satdy Night......shame it didn't help my bank.

A.Robinson was questioned as to the reasons he continued to drive with vigour and apply the whip to APOCALYPSE DREAMA after the winning post. A. Robinson stated APOCALYPSE DREAMA has a tendency to pull up immediately after the winning post and he was aware there were several horses immediately behind him finishing the race at speed. He stated he was concerned about safety and attempted to get APOCALYPSEDREAMA away from other horses. Stewards advised A. Robinson that it was a technical breach of Rule 156(3)(f) however they accepted it was done for safety reasons. Stewards advised that in similar circumstances in future, he should shift APOCALYPSE DREAMA to the inside of marker pegs after the finish line.

[aussiebreno]

The one thing I picked correctly all Satdy Night......shame it didn't help my bank.

A.Robinson was questioned as to the reasons he continued to drive with vigour and apply the whip to APOCALYPSE DREAMA after the winning post. A. Robinson stated APOCALYPSE DREAMA has a tendency to pull up immediately after the winning post and he was aware there were several horses immediately behind him finishing the race at speed. He stated he was concerned about safety and attempted to get APOCALYPSEDREAMA away from other horses. Stewards advised A. Robinson that it was a technical breach of Rule 156(3)(f) however they accepted it was done for safety reasons. Stewards advised that in similar circumstances in future, he should shift APOCALYPSE DREAMA to the inside of marker pegs after the finish line.
And much safer than the stewards suggestion. If he is 4 or 5 wide on the track a slowing horse coming down to inside the pegs could cause a bit of trouble.

[Race For Fun]

Hope this is ok here Kevin but I thought it was a good read.

http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/rookie-bookie-steve-mills-takes-on-wa-pacings-biggest-night-at-gloucester-park-20150119-12sins.html

[Messenger]

Pity the poor owners hoping to win a C0 in the last at Melton this Friday - have a look at who they have to compete with

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=JF230115&fromstate=vic#10

ps Toni, that was a good read

[Race For Fun]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/skys-racing-nsw-broadcast-deal-puts-tvn-closure-in-focus-20150128-12zvfl.html

Wonder will this new racing channel mean that the trots will get a fair go on normal Sky 1 & 2 and not get cut off or crossed to part way through a race? We can but dream.

[Messenger]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/skys-racing-nsw-broadcast-deal-puts-tvn-closure-in-focus-20150128-12zvfl.html

Wonder will this new racing channel mean that the trots will get a fair go on normal Sky 1 & 2 and not get cut off or crossed to part way through a race? We can but dream.

It sounds like a rebadged TVN to me which involved no extra cost to Foxtel subscribers as it had become part of the basic package, so I am not sure what VL is on about when he says unprecedented.
For us it could be a catch 22 - if we are not intermixed with gallops I fear we have zero chance of growing.
Toni, I suspect they will still do it the TVN way in that you will see the main gallops on both Sky 1 and Sky Racing World
We are always going to be intermixed with the dogs - *%#@ I hate the dogs

[Messenger]

Anybody know where Mr Wick is in terms of resuming?

[Messenger]

The title says it all
The instructions would appear to have been - don't give him a hard run
Watch it and see what you think of the drive on the odds on fav

[Smoken]

He would have had a harder run at the trials.. Pathetic!

[Richard prior]

I'm with Evan Kev, Learnt nothing from that and he appeared to be paddling.

[Messenger]

I am not convinced he is in great form but they were never going to find out tonight
If you missed it - easily done as they shafted it to Sky 2, have a look

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA300115&ms=vic#BAC30011501

I notice that the run was queried

[Messenger]

Apologies for so many posts today people
I banned myself from playing poker today (after flopping a flush twice yesterday and being beaten both times)

[aussiebreno]

I don't know guys. He has forever and always been held up for one run at them. Can't make ground in 26.6.

[Big Mac]

What are your thoughts on scheduling of victoria cup, hunter cup, and interdominion heats in consecutive weeks?

[brent_L]

Good for the viewer/punter but I'd be PEEEEED off if I was an owner/trainer of one of the stars.

Your question Dean.....what are your thoughts?

[Toohard]

What are your thoughts on scheduling of victoria cup, hunter cup, and interdominion heats in consecutive weeks?



Bit different this year I guess with the Interdom following so closely behind but in future I reckon a great idea. Showcases harness racing for a whole week in Vic. Got the APG sale in between as well.


Interstate and NZ visitors can come for a week and not just a weekend x 2. Tipping it's gets pretty costly to make 2 trips for the 2 races. People come for one or the other. Not just for spectators but for participants in the 2 races as well. This way get the best going around in both races and make it like a week long 'carnival'.


Worth giving it a try I reckon.

[bowie]

A positive from Mt Gambier on Friday night there was a incident turning out of the home straight with a lap to Go a young driver called Jim Barker was tossed out of his cart but instead of hitting the track he jumped into the sulky beside just as well as the ground is getting to hard for greats of our sports to be landing on to
http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=SA&raceCode=MGC30011505

[p plater]

Must praise NSW Trots TV for some good stories.
The one with the Vet was interesting http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/trotstv/tvvideos/17890

[Race For Fun]

Hope this is ok here, if not please move. :D

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/robert-morris-takes-up-dads-harness-in-bid-to-win-for-nsw-20150131-132mz4.html

[Messenger]

Fair effort by fav Beachstar in the 5th at Mildura tonight considering the fast last half and the ground he lost when he galloped in the back straight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML030215&ms=vic#MLC03021502

[Smoken]

Chris Barsby sure makes some grand claims.... Wouldn't be biased at all now, would he?

The last Australian trained pacer to win the Hunter Cup was Blacks A Fake, the greatest pacer of all time. Wouldn't have hurt to write, 'one of the'...

[Richard prior]

Chris Barsby sure makes some grand claims.... Wouldn't be biased at all now, would he?

The last Australian trained pacer to win the Hunter Cup was Blacks A Fake, the greatest pacer of all time. Wouldn't have hurt to write, 'one of the'...
Exactly right Evan, No doubt about Blacky's greatness but you just can't compare great horses from different era's and one of the greatest would be more fitting, If Barsby said the greatest Qld horse of all time I suppose you could live with that.

[Smoken]

Right on Rich! Barsby grossly over exaggerated!

[Richard prior]

Right on Rich! Barsby grossly over exaggerated!
Loves making big calls but you must be very careful in this game as there are lot of people that have had great horses and you don't really want to step on toes with a unqualified opinion.

[Smoken]

Agreed Rich. I understand that Blacky is Barsby's fav horse, as Trigger was to me, but the greatest of all time is disrespectful to the other Champs & Legends.

[Messenger]

For some reason I just picture you two at the pub ;)

[Messenger]

The asbestos team are more or less fully united - owner and driver, in winning the last at Geelong tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GE050215&ms=vic#GEC05021504

[Smoken]

For some reason I just picture you two at the pub ;)

Ha hahahahaha. Come join in the discussion Kev :p

[Richard prior]

For some reason I just picture you two at the pub ;)
Very eerie Kev, The guy on the left looks a lot like my father and even his real father who shot through many years before, Last heard of in NZ.

[Richard prior]

The asbestos team are more or less fully united - owner and driver, in winning the last at Geelong tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GE050215&ms=vic#GEC05021504

Laurel and Hardy

[Messenger]

Very eerie Kev, The guy on the left looks a lot like my father and even his real father who shot through many years before, Last heard of in NZ.
You and TC could be cousins :D

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Swann-Hill-s-latest-innovation

Who wants this?!

[Race For Fun]

Not for me thanks. They have 1000 mt races at Menangle and put up mile rates that are a joke. I'd rather watch a monte race.

[brent_L]

Who wants this?!
Not I

[hugdon]

mile rate???

[Richard prior]

Not I

+1, Anything under 1609m seems a bit pointless, Just a mad dash and no chance for horses with a poor draw.

[Race For Fun]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/arb-chief-peter-mcgauran-reviews-steroid-rule-after-backflip-20150206-1384ga.html

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/retention-barn-not-in-use-for-inter-dominion-heats-20150207-138hh0.html

[Messenger]

Another little grizzle. I wanted to see the prize-money breakdown for Melton last night but the results have nothing in the prize-money column so I thought I will get it from HRA by clicking on the winner and via their performance page click on the race code and find it on the HRA db but HRA has not been updated yet.
I suppose everyone has to have a holiday some time

[Messenger]

Hey everybody with TC appropriately sorting out where all the furniture belongs (redirecting posts/threads to the correct forums)
We all have to remember to look further than the Australian Harness Racing thread
The best tip for navigating the board that anybody gave me (I think it was from Breno) was
Make sure you are Logged In then
click the NEW POSTS tab (right next to Private Messages) whenever you come on for a read
It will then list every thread that has had an update since you last visited

[aussiebreno]

Ashlee Seijka facebook " Races at Orange today witnessed team driving at its best!! What a joke to the industry!!"

Assuming she talking about fast class race. What did everyone think? i only listened on radio but I thought 69 half gives drivers back in field big chance to come round.

She may have every right to be upset at the result for her own horse, but I don't think she can hide behind the 'joke for the industry' line given the Seijkas camp history.

[Richard prior]

Ashlee Seijka facebook " Races at Orange today witnessed team driving at its best!! What a joke to the industry!!"

Assuming she talking about fast class race. What did everyone think? i only listened on radio but I thought 69 half gives drivers back in field big chance to come round.

She may have every right to be upset at the result for her own horse, but I don't think she can hide behind the 'joke for the industry' line given the Seijkas camp history.
Yep, People who live in glass houses Breno.

[brent_L]

Ashlee Seijka facebook " Races at Orange today witnessed team driving at its best!! What a joke to the industry!!"

Assuming she talking about fast class race. What did everyone think? i only listened on radio but I thought 69 half gives drivers back in field big chance to come round.

She may have every right to be upset at the result for her own horse, but I don't think she can hide behind the 'joke for the industry' line given the Seijkas camp history.
I only watched 2 of the races, including that fast class race and I didn't spot anything untoward. Ash could perhaps take a leaf out of legendary NFL coach Paul Brown's book...."if you win, say nothing. If you lose, say less."

[arlington]

Worth a thread?
Colin and Paleface's home. http://raywhiteruraltemora.com.au/nsw/temora/1259253/

[Messenger]

That is a fantastic photo.
What do you think Wayne, I reckon Emu Rock Standardbreds should buy Paleface's place

[arlington]

Well Kev, just between you and me, the big man did say something about heading down to see the Bendigo Harness Museum via Temora.

[brent_L]

Ashlee Seijka facebook " Races at Orange today witnessed team driving at its best!! What a joke to the industry!!"

Assuming she talking about fast class race. What did everyone think? i only listened on radio but I thought 69 half gives drivers back in field big chance to come round.

She may have every right to be upset at the result for her own horse, but I don't think she can hide behind the 'joke for the industry' line given the Seijkas camp history.
I'm now led to believe the race in question was the 6th.

[Messenger]

Murray Jardine now training Hotasel the ex Cramp pacer
see Nyah tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=QB100215&fromstate=vic#6

[Messenger]

Murray Jardine now training Hotasel the ex Cramp pacer
see Nyah tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=QB100215&fromstate=vic#6

$9 winner and only .5 sec outside the Tk Rec

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=QB100215&ms=vic#QBC10021501

[brent_L]

"An inquiry was adjourned into the conduct of trainer Emma Stewart upon leaving the Stewards Room after Race 9."

This was in the stewards report from MELTON on Saturday night noted under race 8. Has anyone any idea what her issue was?

[Messenger]

I know he is owner/trainer/breeder but wouldn't you get the vet in straight away?

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Highs-and-lows-for-Thomas

[Messenger]

It is time for the colours in the form guide to match those worn in the race.
I am guessing the callers at least get an update
I am not even a big wrap for the various promos which see a change in colours
eg Race 3 Melton just run, how was it that the winner was in green and yellow?

[Amlin]

Sometime the "callers update" only comes when they actually look out the window and check with their own eyes! Especially with stablemates etc, let alone with "special" sets thrown in

[Messenger]

Pity it is going to be 40° or I might have gone
It should be a good race

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=CH150215&fromstate=vic#7

[Messenger]

Richard's favourite horse Uncle Wingnut smashed his track Record after missing the start somewhat (and then sitting 3w a lap) but could only run 3rd

[Messenger]

and forget about buying a lotto ticket this week - you used up all your luck at Charlton

Not only did JC win the Cup check out the video of how he stayed in the cart in the last when the replay comes up (and still endeavoured to run a drum)

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=CH150215&ms=vic#CHC15021504

[Gtrain]

My Gandfather trained his first winner on Friday night at Leeton with Ruato Bay. Is 82 year old the oldest trainer to train his first winner?

[Richard prior]

Uncle Wingnut has bit me on the bum a few times in exotic's Kev ever since I mentioned that I thought his name was silly, Maybe a silly name but plenty of ability and another good run today.

[Messenger]

That is a great achievement and a great question Grant - historians start researching

(He had better watch out - I do not plan to start training until I am 83)

[Rob Nalder]

Grant,

Good on him, how long has he been training for?

Obviously he is a very active person and great to see, hopefully we can read more about his story in Trottguide and on the links.

As for being a record, it is in my book.

All the best and hope he gets a stack more before he gives it away.

Rob Nalder

[Gtrain]

I must confess that he has worked horses all his life but only took his liscence out about twelve months ago. Does drive all his own track work though. If it's not a record I guarantee he could hold the record for the crankiest trainer.....

[Amlin]

Would have to be close. Not the oldest to have trained a winner but maybe the oldest to land his first anyway!

[brent_L]

I'm going to be sent to the naughty corner but so be it. I tried to let it go and was relying on somebody else bringing it up but that hasn't happened. I'm 'POSITIVE' that after breaking out of the gate and losing 6 lengths, one shouldn't then be pressuring the leader (after also making a pretty quick run around the field) into a 56.7 sec first half effectively leaving your charge totally spent at the 700m mark. POSITIVE!

[Messenger]

Yarra Glen must be a pretty fast track nowadays
They had three 1650m races before the rain, all won with times in the 1.56's
Then after the track was rated Rain Affected they had another three 1650m races, all won with times in the 1.57's

[Richard prior]

I see the Pacing Priest Father Brian Glasheen had a winner last night at Echuca, Russell Jack trains the winner but strangely, His son Nathan wasn't the driver and finished last on another horse.

[Messenger]

I see the Pacing Priest Father Brian Glasheen had a winner last night at Echuca, Russell Jack trains the winner but strangely, His son Nathan wasn't the driver and finished last on another horse.

Rich, I think it was just that Nathan was not eligible for a claim like Pitt

[aussiebreno]

Maybe it's common knowledge to some, but it wasn't to me and I've seen quite a few people mention it over the years. Once fields are out it's hard to know what the exact conditions of the race were. Short of having a gazette which changes anyway I've heard a few moan about the fact the fields and/or form section doesn't list out the total conditions, and of course races change a bit after noms especially now in NSW.
So what you do is go to the meeting calendar area on harness.org.au. Use Maryborough today as an example. If you just go into meeting calendar and click on Maryborough it will take you to the fields. So instead, do a program search (just search C0 or C1 because most meets have these) and it will come up with at least one race. Click on the link and it will open up the original race conditions.

[Richard prior]

What's happening with the Maryborough's replays from today???

[Messenger]

Seem to be OK now Rich - I figure you are wanting to look at how easily Time Capsule won a C0 in 1.56

[Messenger]

If not for a $35 roughie, every Fav would have got up at Mildura tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML250215&ms=vic

[Richard prior]

Seem to be OK now Rich - I figure you are wanting to look at how easily Time Capsule won a C0 in 1.56
Thanks Kev, Actually it was Race 2 that Myself and Wayne would be interested in, The winner is from a full sister to a mare i used to own, Got the replay up but the Volume is a problem now, We both have close family members coming along and hopefully a bit of glory will bless us in the next couple of years.

[Messenger]

Bruce Morgan trained his first winner for the season when $3.20 fav Milady Denver won the last at Bendigo last night.
A slow start to the season for Bruce as he trained 17 winners last year
Next week when we pass the half way mark of the season, I plan to do a thread on who are the big movers so far this season

[Amlin]

Mister Wickham would appear to be "back" based on his trial win at Warragul this morning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1QeLU_1boI


Overall they ran their last quarter in 27.8 hand timed so with MW coming from off the speed he has finished off in great style. Assessed 3C0 they may look at the Warragul Guineas in around five weeks time, perhaps something sooner.

[Smoken]

What a run by Bettor Downunder to run fourth in the 8th race @ Geelong! Ginormous!

[Messenger]

Mister Wickham would appear to be "back" based on his trial win at Warragul this morning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1QeLU_1boI


Overall they ran their last quarter in 27.8 hand timed so with MW coming from off the speed he has finished off in great style. Assessed 3C0 they may look at the Warragul Guineas in around five weeks time, perhaps something sooner.

Thanks Kyle - I have been asking where he is?

[Messenger]

What a run by Bettor Downunder to run fourth in the 8th race @ Geelong! Ginormous!

Worth watching

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GE280215&ms=vic#GEC28021504

[Richard prior]

What a run by Bettor Downunder to run fourth in the 8th race @ Geelong! Ginormous!
Not wrong Ev, That was massive, She's got stacks of ability but her poor manners let her down badly.

[Amlin]

I have been calling races on track for nearly 20 years, and listening to them for a lot longer. Reluctant to criticise too much but I don't think I have heard a call of a feature race quite like this one last night.


I'll leave it at that...


http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=SA&raceCode=MGC28021502

[Smoken]

How will Adore Me go next week in the Auckland Cup? Horror draw, same goes for Border Control & Christen Me!

http://t.co/b5ZF0oFbli

[Smoken]

I'm curious as to why Jason Hackett was clearly shaking his head in race 5 at Melton tonight? was he loosening his neck, or was he upset with Charlie Borg on Frank The Duck? :p
Regarding the Auckland cup, can the real TTL bounce back? I dare say he'll give them something to chase...

[Richard prior]

I'm curious as to why Jason Hackett was clearly shaking his head in race 5 at Melton tonight? was he loosening his neck, or was he upset with Charlie Borg on Frank The Duck? :p
Regarding the Auckland cup, can the real TTL bounce back? I dare say he'll give them something to chase...

Didn't notice Jason shaking his head Ev but DR Wilson appeared to give the horse on his outside a couple of cracks on the backside with his whip about 50 metres out, Pretty sure that my eyes don't recieve me, Have another look and tell me what you think please.

[Danno]

I'm curious as to why Jason Hackett was clearly shaking his head in race 5 at Melton tonight? was he loosening his neck, or was he upset with Charlie Borg on Frank The Duck? :p
Regarding the Auckland cup, can the real TTL bounce back? I dare say he'll give them something to chase...

I have no idea about the horse or his camp Smoken, but was on course and again i don't know what is normal for the horse but gee he LOOKED.... SUPER proppy in the prelim and still looked proppy during the run, as I said, I have no idea what is normal for the horse, but it wasn't a pretty look.

[Smoken]

I have no idea guys. If you forward the replay to the 1.10 mark, and have the full screen view, you will clearly see Jason disappointed with what I assume is the driver of Frank The Duck. I thought I was seeing things, but I wasnt :p

[Messenger]

I'm curious as to why Jason Hackett was clearly shaking his head in race 5 at Melton tonight? was he loosening his neck, or was he upset with Charlie Borg on Frank The Duck? :p
Regarding the Auckland cup, can the real TTL bounce back? I dare say he'll give them something to chase...

EV, I am almost certain it was nothing more than him simply telling Charlie that he was not getting the death

[Smoken]

He sure made that clear with his body language Kev. Good drive from Borg to end up in the 1/1, unfortunately the Duck quacked to run 71.0m last.

[Richard prior]

Come on Breno, Don't you have something to say about this coming Saturday night at Wagga lol.

[aussiebreno]

Come on Breno, Don't you have something to say about this coming Saturday night at Wagga lol.
If anyone desperate enough to be up at 10.20PM to watch a 2yo from Wagga steer clear of backing the pole!

[Messenger]

4 wins in a row at Mildura and ran 1.57.0 to win by 19m tonight
Oneminutetodream might fulfil a few for Robert Talent

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML040315&ms=vic#MLC04031502

[Messenger]

I hope you had some of that $12.80 the place Nathan

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA110315&ms=vic#BAC11031501

[Njcstables]

I hope you had some of that $12.80 the place Nathan

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA110315&ms=vic#BAC11031501

Not a cracker Kev- unfortunately!

[Adaptor]

Really?
Amazing how a misquote can change the meaning.... poor Brittany.

Kaplan Keen On Queensland: http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Kaplan-Keen-On-Queensland

"Originally I sent this mare to Brittany Graham but was forced to change stable owing to her nasty characteristics, she’s actually quite mad but she’s fitting in with Jack Butler now."

[Messenger]

Really?
Amazing how a misquote can change the meaning.... poor Brittany.

Kaplan Keen On Queensland: http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Kaplan-Keen-On-Queensland

"Originally I sent this mare to Brittany Graham but was forced to change stable owing to her nasty characteristics, she’s actually quite mad but she’s fitting in with Jack Butler now."

LOL Noel - we had better watch out for that Brittany Graham

[Messenger]

Anyone else (getting on in age) put horses in Blackbook but do not put enough detail with them to reactivate the memory bank?
I had an email to alert me to Bettor Downunder being in at YV today with the vague note 'I am following this family'
$2 fav today he won like a $1.04 fav - only 1sec outside Tk rec with a winning margin of 45m
ps N23 is an interesting family

http://classicfamilies.net/cf/FamilyWinners.aspx?FamilyNumber=n23&SE=qTimeGroup&AD=ASC

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=YG120315&ms=vic#YGC12031503

pps Downunder's 3rd dam is a half sis to Its Motor Power

[Richard prior]

Plenty of speedsters in her family Kev, Bettor Downunder reminds me of the Poem about the little girl with the little curl, When she's good, She's very very good but when she's bad, She's horrid.

[Messenger]

A couple of them were running serious time at Shepparton today - the Tk Rec is only 1.54.1

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP130315&ms=vic

[barney]

i am getting sick of Harness being bumped to sky racing 2 all the time.But unfortunately it is our own fault, races always running late because of gear adjustments left to close to start time.How hard would it be to sound the bell 5 minutes before advertised start time to make sure drivers are aware of the time and do the adjustments then in readiness for the start.IO kinow sometimes things go wronglike a flat tyre etc and that cant be helped but a lot of the time its ear plugs or head check that is left to the last minute.

[Richard prior]

Fine the drivers if they are fiddling with ear plugs and head checks after the advertised starting time.

[aussiebreno]

Set an alarm for advertised race start time at Sydney/Melb races. By the time you hear the alarm, shut it up, reach for the remote and change the channel you will have missed half the race.

Set an alarm for advertised race start time at Melton or Menangle and you could probably go make a cuppa while you wait.

[gutwagon]

i am getting sick of Harness being bumped to sky racing 2 all the time.But unfortunately it is our own fault, races always running late because of gear adjustments left to close to start time.How hard would it be to sound the bell 5 minutes before advertised start time to make sure drivers are aware of the time and do the adjustments then in readiness for the start.IO kinow sometimes things go wronglike a flat tyre etc and that cant be helped but a lot of the time its ear plugs or head check that is left to the last minute.

A lot of the time races don't start on time because the stewards are not in position on time. Each time I'm on course I watch what time they get into position, more than half the time they are 1 min or more late. Horses and drivers are ready for several min but just have to wait for stewards. This just fires some horses up and the start gets delayed even more. I believe they should be watching the warm ups for strange behavior as well as the race.

[HISGEN65]

http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Extreme-run-for-Extreme-Makeover-61219

He won for me on the weekend in his 152th start...amazing what you find on the net..refer above link

[Messenger]

Well done James. If his wins equalled his seconds and thirds - he would be a $100k winner

[Toohard]

http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Extreme-run-for-Extreme-Makeover-61219

He won for me on the weekend in his 152th start...amazing what you find on the net..refer above link

Congratulations James! Well done!

[HISGEN65]

if my others tried as hard as he does I could quit my day job..hahaha...thanks guys

[Amlin]

One of Australia's most talented sports callers, Matthew Hill, returns to the race track on Monday at Warragul as caller.


Hill recently left Sky to return to Victoria and a position with ABC Radio, and will be heard at the trots as a fill-in over the next few weeks, I guess until footy season proper kicks off.

[Messenger]

One of Australia's most talented sports callers, Matthew Hill, returns to the race track on Monday at Warragul as caller.


Hill recently left Sky to return to Victoria and a position with ABC Radio, and will be heard at the trots as a fill-in over the next few weeks, I guess until footy season proper kicks off.

Look like good meeting coming up at Warragul Kyle, what do you think :D

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Trainers-well-looked-after-at-next-Warragul-meetings

[Amlin]

Gee that boy writes well. A shame the C0 series did not attract more horses given the Final is worth nearly $9000 plus sulky and trophies. But never mind, they must not need the money.

Numbers are light on Monday but some nice horses running. Lets hope a few more turn up Cup day, along with the true trotting fans.

[Messenger]

It was like Winter came early in Vic today.
It would have been bloody cold at Kilmore tonight
The Kilmore Gap weather station said the bulb read 8.8° at 8pm but the Apparent (feels like temp) was only 2.2°

[Messenger]

I hope you had some of that $12.80 the place Nathan

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA110315&ms=vic#BAC11031501

You had to have some of that $22 the win tonight then

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN250315&ms=vic#BNC25031501

Congrats mate

[Richard prior]

Good drive Nathan, Well done mate!!

[Toohard]

You had to have some of that $22 the win tonight then

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN250315&ms=vic#BNC25031501

Congrats mate

Well done Nathan!!

[Messenger]

It was like Winter came early in Vic today.
It would have been bloody cold at Kilmore tonight
The Kilmore Gap weather station said the bulb read 8.8° at 8pm but the Apparent (feels like temp) was only 2.2°

Same again at Ballarat - the Apparent temp was already down to 1.9° at 5.30pm

(It would not surprise me if Kilmore and Ballarat attendances may have seen them qualify for the Ghost Track thread)

[Njcstables]

You had to have some of that $22 the win tonight then

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN250315&ms=vic#BNC25031501

Congrats mate

No Kev, millionaires like me don't need money! Lol. Just nice to get a win. Thanks for the comments guys.

[allanjg]

i don`t know if this the right place for this post, but anyway.....cranbourne sat. race 6,regal knight,out of the gath stable and into pullicino stable,last win jan 14, 13 starts and only two seconds since.....only c5....watch for big improvement from this time on,and it won`t be from a full face fly screen either....

[Messenger]

i don`t know if this the right place for this post, but anyway.....cranbourne sat. race 6,regal knight,out of the gath stable and into pullicino stable,last win jan 14, 13 starts and only two seconds since.....only c5....watch for big improvement from this time on,and it won`t be from a full face fly screen either....

I have had this horse in my Black Book for a long time Allan. It was time for him to go to a new stable. I will not judge Gaita on any improvement he shows even though she will always be under suspicion with her record
We are talking about a horse that ran second to Smolda in a NSW derby (beaten 1m and beat Scandalman into 3rd)
Up until its somewhat below average last 13 starts, its record looks fantastic.
After its easy Melton win Dec 14, 2013 in 1.53.2 - I wrote 'this horse will be a topliner'

[Messenger]

I noticed Intergalactic was in the first at Melton tonight but now scratched.
Jodi Q is now listed as his trainer. Would Craig have had to vacate their premises while suspended pending an investigation?

[Messenger]

If like me you are too old to become a driver, on a sunny day take some binocs to a trots meeting on a small track - it is like you are right in the cart. Fantastic viewing at sunny Stawell today

[Messenger]

7/8 winners at Melton today led all the way with the average winning margin 11m.
You cannot call that contested racing or exciting viewing

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=JX010415&ms=vic

[Messenger]

More big margins at Bendigo tonight and some fast times later in the program plus some big odds for elderly winners

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BN010415&ms=vic

[Richard prior]

I was going to mention a very rare occurrence, A double Deadheat in a race in New Zealand yesterday, For more information and a replay, Have a look at the NZ link.

[Messenger]

I remember thinking that the wonderfully named Indulgent was a likely type working his way through the classes up until about 18mths ago, now he cannot run a drum in a very weak ascending order C1. Sad

[Messenger]

The fastest MR at Kilmore tonight was only 2.01.6 - too cold?

[Messenger]

A mares C0 at Geelong for Monday can only attract 6 acceptors - how can that be?

[Richard prior]

Wouldn't like to be in Canberra racing tonight, It's freezing and wet in Sydney and Canberra is a freezing place at the best of times.

[Toohard]

Why the wider sulkies were banned In Oz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN3wakgT_fg

[Richard prior]

Mister Wickham versus Follow the Stars on Friday night at Melton, Should be a cracking contest.

[Messenger]

Mister Wickham versus Follow the Stars on Friday night at Melton, Should be a cracking contest.

Maybe after Mister wins TC will restore my Mister thread ;)

[allanjg]

gaita pullicino outed....stewards wrap hrv.

[aussiebreno]

gaita pullicino outed....stewards wrap hrv.Not really a lovable larrikin.

[Messenger]

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=26335

When you have a record like hers you cannot afford to look sideways - which IMO is fair enough

[Messenger]

How can no one at HRV see that Longtan Bliss's lead time for Ballarat last night cannot be right and NO she did not rate 2.09
Caller said 43.6 but the results are showing 57.5

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA230415&ms=vic#BAC23041502

[Messenger]

A $1 win bet all up on the numbers 4-2-1 in Races 3-4-5 at Bendigo tonight, would have returned you about $35k
(I like to dream sometimes :D)

[teecee]

Maybe after Mister wins TC will restore my Mister thread ;)


So what do I do now? After being beaten 5.1 metres by a horse not at his top, delete all reference to Mr W???? ;)

[Messenger]

touché :D

Soon after typing that I thought to myself

[Messenger]

The Cranbourne track seemed to race pretty slow for a Good rating today

[mango]

Interesting runner at Ashburton Sunday 3/5 race 4 no 9 Cable Beach.

[aussiebreno]

Interesting runner at Ashburton Sunday 3/5 race 4 no 9 Cable Beach.
The family doesn't mind New Zealand. I wonder if David White had anything to do with him landing at Courts?
Junee having an impact on NZ racing this week!

[Richard prior]

Interesting runner at Ashburton Sunday 3/5 race 4 no 9 Cable Beach.
Goes pretty nice Dallas, I've watched a couple of his trials.

[mango]

The family doesn't mind New Zealand. I wonder if David White had anything to do with him landing at Courts?
Junee having an impact on NZ racing this week!

Not sure but I think he might of been with Mark Purdon to start with.

[eliteblood]

No, the horse was at Brian Hancock's and a majority interest was purchased by clients of Graham Court during one of his stays at Hancock's stables when in Australia with Terror to Love.

[Messenger]

Although it was probably the drive he needed to win (he was not so much better than them that he should have been $1.40), I am not sure I agree with the Sky boys giving Kate Gath a 10/10 for her drive on Padrisimo as she allowed herself to be pocketed
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA060515&ms=vic#BAC06051504
He does not seem to have much size about him and it was probably important to not knock him around in his first start back from a spell
That is 7/12 wins for Rob Nalder

[Rob Nalder]

Yes, the Horse (Padrisimo) is a midget & has not grown much from his Foaling date. Without getting into a typical owners debate - thoughts about his pride & joy, there are a couple of things I should say. Padrisimo spends every second in a playful mood each and every day, in fact from 1st light - moment each day, life is just a big game to him. He has thrown away more than one race thinking it is all over, the game that is, once he gets to a winning spot in the run home . He will sit on speed & hit the line like a very good horse if chasing from behind, as to him the game is still on. So the way Kate drove the race last night was 10/10 as this is what works best for the Horse. Andy has tried to get around his games with stack of alternatives, as he has great gate speed, but he has decided to try playing the little mans (Padrisimo's) games. So we know he will lose some races along the way but hopefully we win far more by allowing our Midget to keep playing his games. Hope this explains a bit more about our little bloke.


By the way Andy still charges the same rate for training a midget as he would a normal sized horse.

[Richard prior]

I can confirm Rob's explanation and reply to a tee after speaking to him about Padrisimo a couple of months ago and knowing the little horse has a habit of knocking off, I would give Kate a 10 from 10 for the drive.

[arlington]

Yes, the Horse (Padrisimo) is a midget & has not grown much from his Foaling date. Without getting into a typical owners debate - thoughts about his pride & joy, there are a couple of things I should say. Padrisimo spends every second in a playful mood each and every day, in fact from 1st light - moment each day, life is just a big game to him. He has thrown away more than one race thinking it is all over, the game that is, once he gets to a winning spot in the run home . He will sit on speed & hit the line like a very good horse if chasing from behind, as to him the game is still on. So the way Kate drove the race last night was 10/10 as this is what works best for the Horse. Andy has tried to get around his games with stack of alternatives, as he has great gate speed, but he has decided to try playing the little mans (Padrisimo's) games. So we know he will lose some races along the way but hopefully we win far more by allowing our Midget to keep playing his games. Hope this explains a bit more about our little bloke.


By the way Andy still charges the same rate for training a midget as he would a normal sized horse.


I bet Andy says "he doesn't know how small he is" :p

[Messenger]

The 10/10's have it LOL
Great insight thanks Rob - the Sky announcer must have known.
I don't mind being wrong, especially when I get such a good story in return

[Messenger]

While agreeing with you about the absolute importance of foal numbers Rob and you are more or less coming at it from the point of making it more affordable, I also think that Harness Racing has to get their head around this equation:
Exposure = Punting $ = Higher Stakes = Owners = Breeding
We have to improve our exposure. I have a family member who works in PR and I am astonished how they can get favourable media placement for clients and it makes me think that HR either don't get it or have the wrong PR people.

[teecee]

The remainder of this discussion has been transferred to the Caribbean Blaster thread under BREEDING where it has been discussed previously.

[Messenger]

My Kiwi Mate (engaged tonight in The Reg Withers at Kilmore v Follow The Stars and that other horse we cannot mention) has been very competitive in the better NZ 3yo races - what would it have cost to buy this gelding (2nd dam is Classical)?

[Messenger]

Is Joanne Justice a JD too or didn't she actually drive Mister Douglas tonight?
http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=KI090515&fromstate=vic#2
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=KI090515&ms=vic#KIC09051507

[Richard prior]

My Kiwi Mate (engaged tonight in The Reg Withers at Kilmore v Follow The Stars and that other horse we cannot mention) has been very competitive in the better NZ 3yo races - what would it have cost to buy this gelding (2nd dam is Classical)?

The horse we cannot mention has been disappointing in his last couple of runs Kev, Not saying that he can beat Follow the Stars but I think he is capable of a little better than his last couple of efforts.

[Rob Nalder]

Kevin, All very good points you raise. As I have said many times our industry is one that keeps trying to sell a secret. In the defence of our administrators we have had numerous major issues over many years that have required massive dollars to address over recent times. You can only has it a guess as to what HRNSW has had to spent in areas supporting things like Race Feilds - Corporate Bookmakers - Green Lights - Cobalt. It is still ongoing fighting to deliver the best corporate covenance and integrity. One can only imagine what Day & McDowell for instance, is costing the Industry with Legal arguments. What I know is HRNSW is waiting and praying for Taxastion funding from our State Govenment, if and when this comes they will be addressing all areas of Marketing of our sport like never before.Also average stakes increases are also well on the cards especially at the grass roots level. So hopefully The State Govenment acts sooner than later on what was said would happen. Given dollars to work with I feel the people we have in charge will do what needs to be done over a sustained period of time.So let us do our bit by giving positive vibes once we see they are following through by implementing the changes needed.

All the best,

[Messenger]

He has been a bit Rich. I guess that was only his 10th start but I thought he may have had a touch of brilliance, maybe he doesn't or may he cannot sustain it further than a mile at this stage.

ps Some good times run at Kilmore tonight considering how blustery it was and the fact that the apparent temp never felt warmer than 3°

[Messenger]

4yo mare Beach Shack whose 2nd dam is a half sis to Christian Cullen got within 1sec of the Shep Tk Rec when she rated 1.55.1 in a C1 tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP130515&ms=vic#SPC13051503

[Messenger]

3yo Burnaholeinmypocket - WONT, check out this C0 win in 1.54.5 by 20m from the death. The 2nd horse, 3yo Jodis Choice was nevertheless a brilliant run first up for 4½mths coming from last

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX180515&ms=vic#MXC18051504

[Messenger]

The Holloway Classic 3yo has attracted a top field at Ballarat tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=BA220515&fromstate=vic#6

[Messenger]

It was a good race run in only 0.6 sec outside the Tk Record. Check it out

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA220515&ms=vic#BAC22051508

[allanjg]

It was a good race run in only 0.6 sec outside the Tk Record. Check it out

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA220515&ms=vic#BAC22051508

having a bit of a tongue wag at the stable the other day and the subject of missing big name horses came up.....we know that the "blaster" is doing stud duties whilst recovering from injury and that the mighty kwin could be on the come back ,and then a few other names that suddenly went missing,namely,restrepo,guaranteed,border control,ginger bliss and a few others also....anybody out there know whats happening with any of these horses ,also i would`nt mind thinking that LJ is looking over the fence at old "trigger" and thinking will i or won`t i.

[Richard prior]

I believe Restrepo is going to stand at Stud this year.

[teecee]

border control heading to queensland carnival

[allanjg]

border control heading to queensland carnival

anyone out there that`s familiar with the shepparton track.... race 4, 3/6/15 party boy beaten shhd by beach shack...party boy called the winner by race caller,but did say that the finish at shep was tricky.i recorded the race and i have watched it over and over and i can not see how beach shack was awarded the win, but as caller said,tricky finish....now to the next race,young modern beaten by mactera lad by shhd and on watching the replay it was an identical finish to r.4 only this time the horse that looked the winner was awarded the race.have a look guy and gals and see what you think.....i`m puzzled.:confused:

[Messenger]

anyone out there that`s familiar with the shepparton track.... race 4, 3/6/15 party boy beaten shhd by beach shack...party boy called the winner by race caller,but did say that the finish at shep was tricky.i recorded the race and i have watched it over and over and i can not see how beach shack was awarded the win, but as caller said,tricky finish....now to the next race,young modern beaten by mactera lad by shhd and on watching the replay it was an identical finish to r.4 only this time the horse that looked the winner was awarded the race.have a look guy and gals and see what you think.....i`m puzzled.:confused:

They did look very similar Allan and I thought the inside horse had won both times but I did think that Mactera Lad (I cannot believe my blackbooker was $10!) had a couple of inches more margin than Party Boy did.
At the end of the replays they briefly show (be ready to hit pause) the photo finish for the Mactera win and those inches were needed, it is a pity that they do not show the photo for Beach Shack's win

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP020615&ms=vic#SPC02061501

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP020615&ms=vic#SPC02061505

[Messenger]

Horses must not mind the cold - it would not have got over 6° at Maryborough today and yet they got within 0.8sec of the Tk Rec

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MH040615&ms=vic#MHC04061501

Edit: Just watched it myself and it was cold and WET so a great time for a horse that was 3w for last 400
The Apparent Temp is well into the minuses at Ballarat so I hope it does not snow there tonight

[allanjg]

They did look very similar Allan and I thought the inside horse had won both times but I did think that Mactera Lad (I cannot believe my blackbooker was $10!) had a couple of inches more margin than Party Boy did.
At the end of the replays they briefly show (be ready to hit pause) the photo finish for the Mactera win and those inches were needed, it is a pity that they do not show the photo for Beach Shack's win

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP020615&ms=vic#SPC02061501

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP020615&ms=vic#SPC02061505

yes kev, i did see the black line in race 5 and i am wondering why they displayed it in that race and not race 4 also...a dob of blue tack and a piece of black cotton on the screen using r5 as a guide only convinces me more that party boy won,it would be good to be able to view a print of the photo finish of r4.

[Messenger]

yes kev, i did see the black line in race 5 and i am wondering why they displayed it in that race and not race 4 also...a dob of blue tack and a piece of black cotton on the screen using r5 as a guide only convinces me more that party boy won,it would be good to be able to view a print of the photo finish of r4.

I have a vague memory (harness, I think) that owners/connections had a surprisingly long time in which to question a result - you never know

[Toohard]

anyone out there that`s familiar with the shepparton track.... race 4, 3/6/15 party boy beaten shhd by beach shack...party boy called the winner by race caller,but did say that the finish at shep was tricky.i recorded the race and i have watched it over and over and i can not see how beach shack was awarded the win, but as caller said,tricky finish....now to the next race,young modern beaten by mactera lad by shhd and on watching the replay it was an identical finish to r.4 only this time the horse that looked the winner was awarded the race.have a look guy and gals and see what you think.....i`m puzzled.:confused:


Gday Allan. The finish line at Shepparton is actually on the bend. Its still a straight line across the track but very deceiving when watching the races both on course and on the telly. The TV camera is past the post. If you watch a replay and pause it on the line you can see the little box on the outside fence. Draw a line from there to the winning post and you can see how it can be very deceiving.

[allanjg]

Gday Allan. The finish line at Shepparton is actually on the bend. Its still a straight line across the track but very deceiving when watching the races both on course and on the telly. The TV camera is past the post. If you watch a replay and pause it on the line you can see the little box on the outside fence. Draw a line from there to the winning post and you can see how it can be very deceiving.

thanks paul , i will have another look it will help to have ref. point on the off side of the track.

[The Escape Club]

I was just looking at the results for race 10 at Melton tonight and noticed that according to Harness.org.au that the winner paid $1.80 but that the $1.05 fav ran 7th.


Nice typo as it turns out. That $1.05 fav actually started at $105.00.

[Messenger]

Some nice races at Bendigo for Saturday night - a couple of Vicbred Super Series and plenty for you 'trotting' enthusiasts.
I see they have left the Super Mares to the last race - I hope the tactic pays off and people do not go home before the bloody awful R0 which is the 2nd last

[Messenger]

I just noticed the Doctor I saw last Friday was the sponsor of the last race at Ballarat tonight - that is a Dr you have to love

[Messenger]

I see another case of a suspended trainer's horse now being trained by a relative (in the same town) getting up at Shep tonight

[Messenger]

I see the stewards QDT for Joe Taaffe on Glenferrie Hood in the Italian Cup. He was certainly stitched up but maybe punters should not be sending horses out odds on when the driver has only had 2 wins for the season. I know he got a few wins last season but he seemed to have no idea of what was going on at the start of that race

[Messenger]

The caller of Semi 1 C&G Breeders Challenge at Menangle had a terrible time of it in the last 300m with the runners, masters, majors getting interchanged. It is a tough gig
I hope he had a stiff bar at the drink afterwards ;)

[Toohard]

I see the stewards QDT for Joe Taaffe on Glenferrie Hood in the Italian Cup. He was certainly stitched up but maybe punters should not be sending horses out odds on when the driver has only had 2 wins for the season. I know he got a few wins last season but he seemed to have no idea of what was going on at the start of that race


Lack of local knowledge maybe Kev. I said to Luke on way to track Saturday night.... Lance's horse goes forward and so does Exciteusinthecity. Both best chances of getting in the money. If speed on Cold Major a chance. Glenferrie Hood either gets planted or gets lovely trailing run. He went to fence... got planted. Cold Major wins. Great drive!


Other race chat about. Hotasel best horse in race. Drawn 7 over short (amazing how may times wins). Driven like he the best horse in the race by J. Justice. Win like he best horse in race. Superb drive! Nice horse.


$72 daily double... I on ???

[Toohard]

Lack of local knowledge maybe Kev. I said to Luke on way to track Saturday night.... Lance's horse goes forward and so does Exciteusinthecity. Both best chances of getting in the money. If speed on Cold Major a chance. Glenferrie Hood either gets planted or gets lovely trailing run. He went to fence... got planted. Cold Major wins. Great drive!

Forgot... also if you watch the start of that race, watch how quickly Jason Lee (Metro Mike) reacts when he sees Lance in front and maybe looking for a trail and also the chance to put the favourite 3 back the fence. No mucking about, take initiative and nearly paid off. Also a great drive by a very talented young driver.:cool:

[Richard prior]

Young Fella on Glenferrie Hood was shaking his head after the race and looking for someone to blame maybe, Missed his chance early to get away from the pegs, So no one to blame except himself IMHO, Some real good drives in the race as you mentioned Paul and just because you are on the favourite doesn't mean the race will be handed to you on a silver platter, There could be 7 or 8 horses in the race that are a chance of taking the prize and driving the favourite always puts a target on your back. It was certainly a race of many chances and Cold Major's odds just staggered me, Time to start punting again!!!

[Messenger]

It may be understandable that Robert Watson is having a Reduction Sale as he has some future broodmare prospects in the making
Today's winner of the Princess of the Wimmera - Soho Berlin, is not only a good looking Somebeachsomewhere filly, her mum is a half sister of Sokyola

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=HS080715&ms=vic#HSC08071506

[Njcstables]

It may be understandable that Robert Watson is having a Reduction Sale as he has some future broodmare prospects in the making
Today's winner of the Princess of the Wimmera - Soho Berlin, is not only a good looking Somebeachsomewhere filly, her mum is a half sister of Sokyola

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=HS080715&ms=vic#HSC08071506

Soho Berlin is for sale too Kev. Maybe you could buy her and she could be your foundation broodmare! Looking at Robs website it says he currently owns 218 horses! That's a lot of money in chaff and oats.

[Messenger]

I skimmed the list and missed her Nate. I thought she was pretty impressive today. I know U30 is a favourite of Rich's as is the closely related Im Victorious so I might have to leave her to him ;)

[Messenger]

You pricked my interest so I tried to find a stallion match for her and not many jumped out at me on paper - I wonder who will click with Somebeachsomewhere mares - I think I would try Shadow Play

[Adaptor]

Kevin...You could possibly go to any of the sons of Cam's Card Shark....starting at the top with Bettors Delight or grandsons like Betterthancheddar, Carribean Blaster.
or sons of Artsplace, again starting at the top with Art Major, or Sportswriter.
Sons of Western Hanover or RocknRoll Hanover would work.

Have a close look at the sons of The Panderosa and I think you'll find that they are disappointinng..ie Ponder, Metropolitan and others.

I looked at the golden crosses on the USTA site for Beach Towel mares...and their descendents. Pretty impressive !

[Njcstables]

Race 5 at Kilmore tonight will be interesting. 5 scratchings all on the front row leaving a 2 and 6 formation!

[Messenger]

Race 5 at Kilmore tonight will be interesting. 5 scratchings all on the front row leaving a 2 and 6 formation!

LOL I was just about to post the same

[Messenger]

Soho Berlin is for sale too Kev. Maybe you could buy her and she could be your foundation broodmare! Looking at Robs website it says he currently owns 218 horses! That's a lot of money in chaff and oats.

We should have made an offer at Horsham that day Nate. She has now won 3 more since then with tonight's win in the Repechage and of course was withdrawn from the sale. She definitley came pretty close to leaving the Watson barn - I doubt she will be going anywhere now

[Messenger]

Fancy only being to get 6 acceptors in a C0 at Ballarat on a Saturday night

[Richard prior]

Great to see Jimmy Castles train and drive a winner today at Menangle, He will be in the good books with his boss, It's their 53rd Wedding Anniversary today.

[Messenger]

They raced over 4 different distances at Gloucester Park last Friday night : 1730, 2130, 2536, 3309 - you don't see that very often nowadays.

[Messenger]

Shows you what a little pace will do in a race
Check out the finish of the last at Terang tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=TE180815&ms=vic#TEC18081502

A great 4 way go in what was only a 6 horse field.
It was good to see the horse that went to the death fire up - maybe not for connections or its backers nor the backers of the favourite but for us viewers who are used to seeing small fields result in processions

The winner was $15 despite winning last start and looked absolutely gone at the 500

[squaregaiter]

Some /many weeks ago ( before the Redwood I think) someone wrote information relating to the draws and winning % at Melton, can anyone steer me to the correct thread or date this was place on

[Messenger]

Could this be it Bruce

http://www.harnessracingforum.com/showthread.php?7475-Melton-Bell-Position-Stats&highlight=Melton

[squaregaiter]

Could this be it Bruce

http://www.harnessracingforum.com/showthread.php?7475-Melton-Bell-Position-Stats&highlight=Melton



Thanks for that Kevin, this is most interesting and even more info however the one that I "think" I read somewhere was as simple at as a example only the actual draw and saying 1-4 won 75% of the races " I think"


I think it was only maybe 6 lines and each line contained the barrier position and the % of wins from that.:confused:




While on that,............... has anyone done stats/spreadsheets on "RBD" it almost hurts me to type that ololoolololololol, for Vic and NSW ???:D

[Messenger]

When I was a metro attendee (long ago) I remember the race book always had the barriers and number of winners for each.
The few times I used to go to Flemington gallops for a feed I would always base my punt on the table in the race book which told you how long it was since each barrier had won - I always looked for one that was way overdue and made that my selection for the day (or until it came up - if I was lucky)

[Messenger]

With a few Tassie horses peforming well in Vic lately I thought I might follow Tassie form next season.
I looked up their calendar and Good God - they only race on Sundays ;)
Makes one realize how lucky we are

[squaregaiter]

When I was a metro attendee (long ago) I remember the race book always had the barriers and number of winners for each.
The few times I used to go to Flemington gallops for a feed I would always base my punt on the table in the race book which told you how long it was since each barrier had won - I always looked for one that was way overdue and made that my selection for the day (or until it came up - if I was lucky)


This is what I am looking for Kevin , unlike the TB's, I think that it is far more critical to be frank in Harness and the info I was looking for had a summary of just that, but I cant find it now-:( thanks Kylie for your info :)- did you have TAB numbers attached to your spreadsheet when that was done ???

[squaregaiter]

Has anyone else come across this absolute garbage I am getting when you click on a horse to see something( from form) on the HRA site you get CAPTCHA ?- surely if there is a beach in the system they can find something a little more time efficient than that rubbish ? - If everyone is getting the same thing someone must pull someone's coat who thought this crazy up in the offices and say you may have all the time in the world and all the form at your finger tips but not so with the public that want to have a punt

[Messenger]

Has anyone else come across this absolute garbage I am getting when you click on a horse to see something( from form) on the HRA site you get CAPTCHA ?- surely if there is a beach in the system they can find something a little more time efficient than that rubbish ? - If everyone is getting the same thing someone must pull someone's coat who thought this crazy up in the offices and say you may have all the time in the world and all the form at your finger tips but not so with the public that want to have a punt

Yep, everyone is getting it Bruce - it is a pain in the arse!
It amounts to 3 extra clicks (the 3rd is when you pass it again going back to form or starters) plus a robot check delay.
You have to wonder how necessary it is
I just sent the CEO an email regarding another matter, if everyone is in agreement about this being a pain - maybe we had better send him another

[squaregaiter]

Yep, everyone is getting it Bruce - it is a pain in the arse!
It amounts to 3 extra clicks (the 3rd is when you pass it again going back to form or starters) plus a robot check delay.
You have to wonder how necessary it is
I just sent the CEO an email regarding another matter, if everyone is in agreement about this being a pain - maybe we had better send him another


I agree we gather all that we can to send emails to all those on this one, maybe they could make transparent WHY there has been a breach or is this another job for the boys so to speak,:rolleyes: the Thoroughbreds and Greyhounds must be sitting back laughing at Harness on this one, can you image how many will give up and forget having a bet or even being interested if you cant pull up the FULL Form or Breeding with the single click what a backward move on all accounts:mad::(:confused:

[Messenger]

I repeat, "this is a pain in the arse" for now I have found you can get a symbol amongst the characters that does not resemble any writing I know!
TIP: If you have this happen to you have to guess and fail to get another set of characters as you cannot request another set

[Toohard]

I repeat, "this is a pain in the arse" for now I have found you can get a symbol amongst the characters that does not resemble any writing I know!
TIP: If you have this happen to you have to guess and fail to get another set of characters as you cannot request another set

I believe this has been done to protect the database. What's there now is a huge improvement over the pictures of food you had to click on originally.

Also told it was done due to a threat from the "Ashley Madison" hackers. Believe they threatened to reveal all of Richard Priors horse interests to his wife!! :D:D:D

[Messenger]

I believe this has been done to protect the database. What's there now is a huge improvement over the pictures of food you had to click on originally.

Also told it was done due to a threat from the "Ashley Madison" hackers. Believe they threatened to reveal all of Richard Priors horse interests to his wife!! :D:D:D

That may not be a totally bad thing as I am not sure that he has been able to keep track of them all :eek:

[Messenger]

A little surprised to see Mighty Mav - just turned 5yo and not having raced until 4yo, going around in a claimer at Melton tonight for a mere $12k price.
He has a 21-5-2-5 record and is only a C4 M0 and he ran a mighty 3rd behind Jilliby Jagger and Mactera Lad in a M0 a forthight ago

4 claimers tonight (max price 12k) and not a single horse claimed - unless the stewards comments have missed one

[apexguy]

I think you will find Kev that because it was a series of claiming heats with a final next week, no claims are allowed in the heats only in the final. Invariably if there was an excellent run in the heat then there is usually multiple
claims for the horse in the final.

[Messenger]

I think you will find Kev that because it was a series of claiming heats with a final next week, no claims are allowed in the heats only in the final. Invariably if there was an excellent run in the heat then there is usually multiple
claims for the horse in the final.

Thanks Tony - that makes sense

[apexguy]

Form guide has been upgraded to provide complete horse's history including New Zealand starts - looks great and makes checking horses performance from the fields so much easier!


http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=27593

[Maorisidol]

This is an excellent Harness Racing video celebrating 200 years of how the Standardbred help "build" America!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OculvImEs

Which talented Aussie can do a True Blue version??? How good would that be?

[Adaptor]

This is an excellent Harness Racing video celebrating 200 years of how the Standardbred help "build" America!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OculvImEs

Which talented Aussie can do a True Blue version??? How good would that be?

Thanks Ash....what a terrific production.

I've put the link on the Bendigo HRC website and and will get this shared via Facebook and Twitter....

[p plater]

Great find Ash, interesting to watch

[Messenger]

I'm not completely sold yet Tony. Unless I am missing something it is not as detailed as the form guide but a quicker way to get performance history from the fields / starters. I wish they had a trainers column as a lengthy search on harnessweb is still the only way to see a change of trainer
We still need HRA for breeding searches as the RISE way takes you nowhere if you click on the dam etc

Ps Something has to be done about the new Captcha codes that you have to provide to access a HRA search. There is no regenerate option so when you a get a character that nobody in the room can decipher twice in a row! It can take you 3 cracks to break the bloody code

[Messenger]

6 claimed in the final

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=MX110915&ms=vic#MXM11091507

[The Escape Club]

Actually no that disappointed that mine was one of the four that didn't get claimed. We'll see if he gets a gig in the claiming masters in a couple of weeks.

He's been a good horse and has well and truly paid his way.

Was talking with my brother about Mighty Mav. He's gone 11312333312 in his past 11 and only started 22 times.

[Messenger]

Actually no that disappointed that mine was one of the four that didn't get claimed. We'll see if he gets a gig in the claiming masters in a couple of weeks.

He's been a good horse and has well and truly paid his way.

Was talking with my brother about Mighty Mav. He's gone 11312333312 in his past 11 and only started 22 times.

See my post 721 for the same thoughts on Mighty Mav, Robert

[Messenger]

A trial aimed at seeing if they can reduce the number of short Odds On pops

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=27583

(Thanks for tipping me off Rich)

[Messenger]

It would seem that Terang tonight was really struggling for starters.
Only 6 races and if 2 of them had not been heats to a final, they could have been combined to make one race

[Richard prior]

Can't believe there hasn't been more comment about this piece Ash, A fantastic find and I would also like to see a Southern Hemisphere equivalent, We've had our share of great horses and events over the years and something similar being produced in our parts would be a great advertisement for the game.

[gutwagon]

It would seem that Terang tonight was really struggling for starters.
Only 6 races and if 2 of them had not been heats to a final, they could have been combined to make one race
A lot of hobby trainers turn their horses out for winter because it is too wet and muddy to use their home tracks. Also no 2yo races until December. I think it will be a problem for the next few months. Long term it will be a major problem with less foals being born every season, so unless they can turn this around 6 and 7 race cards will be very common.

[Messenger]

Noel and his Bendigo 70's theme has been upstaged by Shep and their sixties hit Lombo, Lombo, Lombo tonight

In reverse order: Mischif Made Lombo, Koten Blosem Lombo and Magic Moment Lombo all won
Magic Moment Lombo has now won 8 races at Shep having had more than half of her 50+ starts there.
(her only other 3 wins have all been at Cobram - she clearly does not like being too far from home)

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=QY170915&ms=vic

What other current day track specialists do we have going around?

Apologies to Arnold Dorsey (Englebert Humperdinck)

[DRUIDRACING]

codes are gone in general they appear when you go to the hra online to get the mares other foals in my experience.it seems user friendly to be.

[Amlin]

Mister Douglas was claimed at Cranbourne last night and is now out of the Joanne Justice stable which has created quite a deal of discussion.

[Messenger]

Will this be the first time in 300 starts that he has not called Toolern Vale home? (Has someone claimed him for their pet?)

[Messenger]

In another thread I suggested that only a 6 race program at Swan Hill last night was a bit of a worry but I did not realize that fellow Murray town Echuca was on tonight so that may have stretched the local horse population a little as they are only about 120k apart. I would imagine the programming is aimed at catching a few school holidaymakers so I hope they were heavily promoted and did/do well

[Messenger]

After a nasty fall the 4th at Echuca tonight was rerun but now telecast on Sky2, which gave one the pleasure of hearing a Norway gallop call before it - funniest thing ever. Caller was working off their numbers which he admitted to not being able to see - saying things like "it is hard to see", "its number 5 or is it number 6?" ..... Paul you could lose Luke to Norway as soon as next week

[Messenger]

Punters must not rate Mildura form. R.1 winner at Ballarat tonight Laquila drew 2, had Greg Sugars on for the first time, had won 3 and placed 3 of her previous 9 and paid $40

R.5 Ballarat Volkswagen Pace - horses were tested for emissions :D

ps Lance Justice trained a running treble and none were favs

[Messenger]

The last at Geelong tonight felt like a Sydney gallops race (ala Chris Waller)
Pretty hard for the punters to know which way to go when Geoff Webster had the top 3 picks
Doug's Limousine $2.90
Angel of the City $3.50
The Harlem Hammer $3.60

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GE011015&ms=vic#GEC01101507

[Toohard]

After a nasty fall the 4th at Echuca tonight was rerun but now telecast on Sky2, which gave one the pleasure of hearing a Norway gallop call before it - funniest thing ever. Caller was working off their numbers which he admitted to not being able to see - saying things like "it is hard to see", "its number 5 or is it number 6?" ..... Paul you could lose Luke to Norway as soon as next week


Don't know if that was the race or if it was an earlier one but the turn into the home straight is a right angle and horses went everywhere rounding it. Luke listens to that bloke all the time. Some of his calls are very 'entertaining'. There's no direct link to this one so will try explain how to get to it as its worth a listen...


Go to http://www.skyracing.com.au/
Click on the FORM GUIDE on the right hand side of screen bout half way down
Then click on SEARCH Tab
Enter 13-08-2014 in the Date from and Date to fields
Then click on SEARCH button
Its on the second screen so click NEXT and then click on TABY (SE) thoroughbreds
And then you want Race 6 and click on the little speaker thingo to listen


Comes up just near the end of race..


No Luke you cannot use that term when calling races :)

[Messenger]

UNBELIEVABLE Paul.
Paul's instructions are spot on - it is worth the search LOL

[Beltane]

The Canola Cup meeting at Eugowra looked another great day on TV, and the main straight had the most unique floral display befitting the day.

[Messenger]

Steve, I saw a bit of it on Sky and being a Vic did not know the track so I looked it up and was surprised to see it was 800m as it did not even look that on TV

[Messenger]

Watched the replay of the last at Shep to see if the wind was a factor - it would appear not and no mention by the caller although the BOM says there were gusts of up to 59 km/h at time of running.
Our poor galloping brethren had no Kilmore meet today as the wind forced its abandonment after part of the poly running rail was blown down before the first and the wind had still not abated over an hour later - they did have gusts up to 89km/h according to the BOM.
Another advantage of our well trained standardbreds I guess - we only need pegs not a running rail

[Mark Croatto]

Steve, I saw a bit of it on Sky and being a Vic did not know the track so I looked it up and was surprised to see it was 800m as it did not even look that on TV

The Eugowra Club do an outstanding job and keeping kicking goals every year. The location and atmosphere is tremendous, and at the time of year, with the Canola in full colour, it's a really hard act to follow :-)

Regards

Mark