ODDS AND ENDS - not worth a thread but worth a post

[Messenger]

Can you imagine being strong enough to be able to to charge $50 admittance for patrons to come in and spend more money (Caulfield today)

[Messenger]

With the October heat wave we have been experiencing, I was looking forward to Ararat trots tonight. How unlucky can they be, first cool day for yonks with the Apparent (feels like) temp already dropping to single digit by 4pm

[Adaptor]

Kevin
You missed Tanya Cavallaro winning on a Manning trained horse in the last. First win since her accident at Melton when she broke her leg badly falliing off during a MOnte.

[aussiebreno]

Newcastle race 1 today. Never really seen a stranger run...how are those arms Angel Lauren?

[Adaptor]

Wow....the winner bolted, broke, took the lead again and continued to bolt.
Was that Lauren Pinellas first drive back after injury?
That was a very difficult drive !
Must not have stretched her arms as she came out and won the next on a $1.04 fav.
No value at Newcastle with the first two each at $1.04

[Messenger]

They could have dispensed with the judge at Horsham today.
The average winning margin for the 8 race program was >13m (between 1st and 2nd of course)

[Messenger]

Anybody know what has become of Chilli Palmer?

[Messenger]

It must have been meal time between 8.00 and 8.30 tonight at Ballarat for the HRA/HRV results page is missing Race 4
The TAB tells us $1.10 fav Linda Lovegrace won but we will have to wait for someone to wake up to find out times etc.
Picky bastard aren't I

[Smoken]

Lance keeps driving his horses like they're Trigger... Garabaldi had no hope at all the way he was driven, even to place!

[Richard prior]

Lance keeps driving his horses like they're Trigger... Garabaldi had no hope at all the way he was driven, even to place!

You just has to shake your head Ev. Hey Lance, Try taking a sit mate, Your horses might just finish a lot closer to the winner.

[Smoken]

Well said Rich! Give your horses at least some chance Lance, & more importantly, don't make them retire before there due time due to the obvious.

[Richard prior]

Well said Rich! Give your horses at least some chance Lance, & more importantly, don't make them retire before there due time due to the obvious.
Surely Lance would realise that when he was driving Smoken Up he could get away with those tactic's as the opposition would quickly hand up or be run into the ground but not every horse is Smoken Up Lance.

[Smoken]

Didn't know where to put this post. I just found out that Ginger Bliss was put down in October. Such very sad news :(
Was a serious talent! Feel free to put this in the correct category fellas.
P.s Agreed Rich!

[Messenger]

Favourite punters would have done very nicely for themselves at Mildura tonight
as we saw 6 faves and 2 second faves win on the 8 race program
Although we did not see a winner pay more than $3.20, the faves were not ridiculously short either with the shortest winners being $1.60 and $1.90

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML140116&ms=vic

[aussiebreno]

Favourite punters would have done very nicely for themselves at Mildura tonight
as we saw 6 faves and 2 second faves win on the 8 race program
Although we did not see a winner pay more than $3.20, the faves were not ridiculously short either with the shortest winners being $1.60 and $1.90

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML140116&ms=vic
These Cramps are ruining the sport in Mildura with short prices faves! :rolleyes:

[Messenger]

LOL
It does seem as though the faves are more reasonable prices without them around

[Messenger]

Noel, what was with the Bendigo weather today (20/1) as I see they pulled the pin on holding Bendigo dogs (not that I care about the dish-lickers), looking at the BOM for Bendigo it would not seem to be anything out of the ordinary

[Adaptor]

It was very humid in Bendigo with some morning showers, with a top of 34.
It's still 34. I don't know what the max is for cancellation of the greyhounds.
It's Country Week cricket here this week, and I went to an oval close by around 11. They were playing. so the showers didn't affect them.
Can't explain the dog cancellations.

From GRV:
Today’s afternoon meeting at Bendigo has been officially abandoned during kennelling when the temperature exceeded 26 degrees in the race kennels. The professional view of the on-track veterinarian was that these conditions were too hot for the Bendigo meeting to continue.

[Messenger]

Thanks Noel - interesting that 26 in the kennels is considered too high

[Messenger]

I dont think Ideal Tyson will ever start $1.04 in Vic again.
Interesting to here the caller say that the winner was a quarter of those odds in NSW

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BA290116&ms=vic#BAC29011607

[Messenger]

Bendigo gallops and harness on the same day is strange programming

[NormanS]

Newcastle had the same today... Both Day meetings as well

[Amlin]

Ballarat had the same thing on Sunday

[Messenger]

I wonder whether the Minister is aware of such lack of co-ordination/communication. Joking of course. I wonder whether he has even one staffer observing anything other than what is raised in the media

[Messenger]

It felt like the old Cramptown racing at Mildura tonight with the first 7 favourites getting up - 6 of them odds on
The difference however was that the closest to domination was Colin Rogers training a double

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML240216&ms=vic

[Messenger]

I hope we can get the balance right between catering for the French interest in our trotting and clubs planning - late changes could be a bugbear

[Messenger]

How hot is it going to be at Ouyen at 4.25, the time of the first.
It is already nudging 40° there at one o'clock

[Amlin]

How hot is it going to be at Ouyen at 4.25, the time of the first.
It is already nudging 40° there at one o'clock

It was a day meet originally too.

Few scratchings now unfortunately. No press publicity on the industry website for the race.

[Messenger]

It has not got any hotter but it has not got any cooler
I think I will turn it on and see if the omen bets in the first do any good
Not Kool Kenny and Singed

HRV's start time, still showing 4.25 when it is 4.33
4.33 with a Goulbourn trot at 4.35 just asking for clashes

[Amlin]

Delay...no Clerks of Course

[Messenger]

I believe they were found at nearby Lake Tyrrell

[Messenger]

The Ouyen Cup has certainly been decimated.
All Craig Rail's place selections have been scratched!
Probably one of the weakest open company races you will ever see going around for $30k
Uncle wingnut has won $200k, a couple of the other 5 might take their prizemoney up near $100k if they win

[Adaptor]

How many of the country cups have suffered the same fate as Ouyen....with not many horses going around for a lot of money.

Ouyen 6 starters
Cranbourne 7 starters
Charlton was better with 10
Terang had 11
Bendigo had 6 ( Lenny scared them away)
Ballarat had 12
Hamilton had 11
Shepparton had 12

Wonder what Kilmore will get.

[Amlin]

Lenny is going to Kilmore too so you might not get each way betting there either

[Amlin]

Goulburn had trots today while the Black Opal/Cup was on in Canberra

[Messenger]

The Ouyen Cup has certainly been decimated.
All Craig Rail's place selections have been scratched!
Probably one of the weakest open company races you will ever see going around for $30k
Uncle wingnut has won $200k, a couple of the other 5 might take their prizemoney up near $100k if they win

I really am having grandpa moments. I obviously forgot I posted this about the winner in the Speed Explosion thread little more than a week ago

"I just had a look at it too. IMPRESSIVE
He might not have placed in his previous 10 starts in NZ but have a look at who he was racing against! (And he did win 9 of 10 if you go back further)

http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/wa/r/i...=ideal+success

http://www.harness.org.au/racing/hor...horseId=791656"

[Messenger]

I know it is easy in hindsight but having Horsham's feature today, the Gp3 Tontine Trotters final, within 3min of the Adelaide Cup was always going to see it bumped to Sky 2

[Amlin]

Make sure you catch trots at Broken Hill on Ch 520 tonight - their only TAB meet on one of the tiniest tracks in the land

[Messenger]

Dont Think Twice's win in the Tiara (covering for you New South Welshmen again) puts now deceased sire Armbro Operative back in the spotlight. It has been a couple of years since he had a 50k earner and he has only ever had one Million dollar earner (Fleur de Lil)

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=BH260316&ms=nsw#BHC26031602

[Amlin]

Fifty years of race calling today for Victorian broadcaster Peter Eustace...not a bad innings!

[Messenger]

Fillies night tomorrow night at Melton. 7 of the 11 races are for them. The Jodie's Babe, 3 Oaks heats and 3 APG heats

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MX080416&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

It would seem as though we are not the only ones having trouble filling fields - the first five races at Pakenham gallops tonight had fields of 5 - 7

[Amlin]

Pouring rain too...the drought has broken.

Perhaps they will need to rely on trainers "this" side of town to fill their fields. Not sure many will be keen to be on the Monash in peak hour for a 6pm start each week.

[aussiebreno]

What are the most wins on a card at Melton and will that change with Emma Stewart tonight?

[Messenger]

What are the most wins on a card at Melton and will that change with Emma Stewart tonight?

5 again

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=29612

[aussiebreno]

Lombo Rapida, Wenbro.. the first batch of horses I am old enough to remember watching go around.

[Amlin]

Our old friend the HRA website informs us that Andy Gath actually trained five winners at MV in September 2001. Brent Lilley has also prepared five winners at Melton.


Bob Knight and Tubby Peace also prepared five winners each in town.


http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/drivers/trnrs-records-wins.pdf

[Messenger]

How things have changed at Mildura
Only 3 odds on faves with the last of them getting up at $1.80
All other winners were between $3.60 and $7.80

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML270416&ms=vic

[Danno]

How things have changed at Mildura
Only 3 odds on faves with the last of them getting up at $1.80
All other winners were between $3.60 and $7.80

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=ML270416&ms=vic


Guess there's no longer a dominant force cramping everyone's style Kev.

[strong persuader]

Guess there's no longer a dominant force cramping everyone's style Kev.

You've got my vote for post of the year there :D

[Amlin]

Good win by Hi Tech Fury at Stawell yesterday for Cranbourne horseman Ken Browne.


Ken is not afraid to travel with his horse, on the quick back up from a second at Bendigo on Saturday night.


The horse races again a bit closer to home at Warragul next Monday.

[Messenger]

Hi Tech was my best bet of the day but unfortunately I think it was also Rob Aubers so when I looked at the odds it was odds on (look on) but ended up paying $2.35.
He held the track record at Stawell for a while. Another that loves the track is Metrofromelle and she was very impressive in the way that she won the last
There have been a few improvements at Stawell - new bigger and better bank of tvs in the betting area, a replay screen in the lounge, new entrance feature
There was a decent crowd there, especially for a Wednesday

[Amlin]

But how was the roast?

[Messenger]

I'm afraid I have to tell you that it was superior to Warraguls - a big plate of lamb and as usual their pumpkin is the best in the land ;)

[Messenger]

Upanatom going around in Aiken colours tomorrow night at Melton

[Amlin]

Kerryn Manning in her own words in The Saturday Paper

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/sport/racing/2016/05/07/the-box-seat-kerryn-manning-39-harness-racing-driver-trainer/14625432003197

[Messenger]

Kerryn Manning in her own words in The Saturday Paper

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/sport/racing/2016/05/07/the-box-seat-kerryn-manning-39-harness-racing-driver-trainer/14625432003197

Good to see

This part worries me however:

"Unfortunately, harness racing is a lot more about keeping the punter happy these days. Harold Park races moved to Menangle and Moonee Valley moved to Melton, so crowds are not great now. It’s sad to see. Occasionally there’s a good crowd at a meeting, which is exciting, but it doesn’t happen too often."

Can anybody tell me how we can survive without followers (= owners)? I am scratching my head and thinking of what might happen one day. Could we survive with just a dozen farms/owners supplying the racing population or what is the answer? I don't want to be a negative Nellie, it's just that I worry about where we are heading and whether the gallops will more or less eliminate us if we do not get our act together

[gutwagon]

Thanks for the link Kevin. Almost everyone around the Stawell, Ararat area would know Kerryn, she would have to be one of our sports greatest advertisements. She has not let fame go to her head, she has time for everybody. I've never herd her be rude or even complain, shes always happy and cheerful .

[Messenger]

No gallops in NSW and VIC was huge for harness racing turnover. I bet Kyle wishes Warragul had been scheduled for today

[Amlin]

Would prefer a public holiday Monday. The tote holds will be interesting though.

[KTQ]

Is anyone able to time a race for me? Would be your best friend
http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=WA&raceCode=BYC23041604

[Danno]

I got 1.54.1 Katie, so the official time is right no risk.

[allanjg]

Is anyone able to time a race for me? Would be your best friend
http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=WA&raceCode=BYC23041604

byc 23041604= bunbury races 23/4/16.... 2yo,race time o/a 1-53.8, 1st qut 27.4,2nd qut29.6,3rd qut28.3,4th qut28.5.... go to race results wa harness racing results K.

p.s. pretty smart 2yo`s :)

[allanjg]

i timed it 3 times kate, i got 1-54.8,54.7,and 54.9....it`s not really good video though... why do you ask kate?

[KTQ]

Oh I know where to get the official time. Just heard a whisper the first quarter was timed wrong.

PS 3 new best friends! Awes

[Messenger]

It would seem that there has been a change of sponsor for the brilliant ClassicFamilies.net
Peppertree Farm have been wonderful sponsors in the past and now it would seem that Allwood Stud are continuing the support of this wonderful resource

http://classicfamilies.net/

[Messenger]

Just noticed the name of the 3rd race at Horsham today

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=HS230516&ms=vic#HSC23051603

Have they got meals at Horsham now?

(I could not attend as I am in Echuca making my way north for some warmer weather)

[arlington]

Just noticed the name of the 3rd race at Horsham today

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=HS230516&ms=vic#HSC23051603

Have they got meals at Horsham now?

(I could not attend as I am in Echuca making my way north for some warmer weather)


"ROAD TRIP" Sounds good Kev.
Hmm, seems a coincidence you were in Echuca on trial's afternoon...any blackbookers?? A stroll around the Port?
Which way next, along the Murray Valley Hwy or cross the bridge?

[Messenger]

In Narrandera today - really like this old town - it has everything. The name rang such a bell that I did a trots search and sure enough they were once big here (and of course they have the gallops)

[Messenger]

Bloody hell - went through Temora today but forgot to seek out the great one's statue. I am not fully functioning pre-lunch but how could I let such an opportunity slip, especially when I now see that it is pretty much in the main street. There is only one place for me now - see pic. Anyone too young to know which horse I am referring to - wiki Temora to see a pic of what I didn’t!

[Beltane]

Some years ago I stopped at Paleface's statue in Temora in the late afternoon on a sunny, windy autumn day, and the nearby poplar trees were shedding their leaves in the flickering afternoon light, thus creating the illusion that Paleface was alive and pacing again.

[Messenger]

It was a sunny, windy, autumn day yesterday too Steve - feeling very sad in the dunce's corner ;)

I did see Peppertree Stud (long time sponsor of the ClassicFamilies site) , just out of Young - from all the time I have spent on the ClassicFamilies site, I could spot Peppertree's font from a mile away

[Greg Hando]

Wasn't Pepper Tree if you were just out of Young they are at Cowra Success is at Young

[Adaptor]

Are you lost Kev? Mistaken font? Need a map?

[Messenger]

Too many towns! It was Pepper Tree BUT I was just out of Cowra on our way to Canowindra - our overnight stopover (I was getting tired Noel)

The reason I mentioned their font was that I was actually distracted when we passed the entrance but knew I had just seen something familiar and I said to my better half "what was that last farm?" and she said..... Waffling, I know but I was amazed that it registered without really having read it

[Calle]

Hi am a Swed and have started to look at Aussi Harness Racing (mornings in Sweden fits in my job schedule), i am interesting where to find the best tips on the web :-) for tracks in Victoria (VIC). Good start on a day some coffee some racing and after that a run for myself :-)

[Tangles]

Hi calle,

Try this site http://www.harness.org.au/punters-corner.cfm
If you look around you will see replays race form etc
tangles

[Calle]

Nice one, thanks! :-)

[Amlin]

Heats and Final on SKY this evening from Solvalla over 140 metres.

[Messenger]

2 moths in the 2yo at Maryborough today and its not even under lights ;)

http://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MH010616&fromstate=vic#5

Flying is a half sis to Lovely's dam

[Messenger]

Leading driver Chris Alford could only get one drive at Maryborough today before heading to Swan Hill for four - maybe that is why we call them drivers

(I know it is only 2.5hrs between these tracks but even in this example Chris would have had to spend 5+hrs on the road - probably about his daily average)

[KTQ]

In WA, there are a bunch of $10k and $15k C0-C1 races. Why. Our little horse is a C9 and its tough to find races for him. What they should do is increase the stake with the more races you've won. So a c1 is $5500 a c3 is $7k and a c10 is $9k. Only fair to win more if you've proven yourself by winning

[Messenger]

Did a little detour on the way home folks
How I missed it on the way through the first time I will never know
It is so prominent and an excellent tribute which looks fantastic even on a miserable day
(not sure how my whiskers look so grey in this pic - I look like a bit of a paleface myself ;))

[Messenger]

Maybe I missed this when I was away up North but I noticed this morning's age has no liftout for Saturday's gallops - only a mere half page for Flemington in their sports section (as per a weekday meet)
Is this a reflection on racing? A cutback by RV - do they fund it? Or symptomatic of the irrelevance of paper form guides nowadays?

[Amlin]

Had heard the other week they were dropping the Sat guide.

Spotted a new one called the Big Weekender in our local yesterday which has a 4 page gallops guide and editorial cover

[Messenger]

Very mild weather blessed Stawell harness today for the Maori Legend.
It was the official opening of the recently renovated bistro and HRV Chairman Dale Monteith was in attendance
I am not sure our solitary bookie's decision to move into the bistro paid off - I never saw him take a bet
I would have liked to be a bookie for Race 7, I could not believe the market for what was an open race with Our Sir Ivanhoe $2.30 fav
I fear home viewers may have seen (or not seen) plenty of races shafted to Sky 2 as every second race seemed to have a false start today
Jason Lee came within a metre of driving the Quaddie but Mum's Keayang Squizzy pipped him

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SW200716&ms=vic

[Messenger]

Hoo Nien had not placed in his previous 8 starts but the punters sent him out an unbelievable $1.30 in R4 at Kilmore today, apparently based on his move to the Gath stable

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=KI210716&ms=vic#KIC21071601

[Amlin]

For some reason these stories don't make it onto the national website but a story from the midweek Melton meeting


http://www.cranbourneharness.org/news-room/news-articles/win-tinged-with-sadness/

"Exciting four year old pacer Saint Davids Field announced his arrival as a racehorse of the future with a big win at Melton on Thursday night but the joy of victory was tinged with a good deal of sadness for connections.

Saint Davids Field was bred, owned and trained by Steve McCallum who passed away in January of this year after a battle with cancer at just 27 years of age........"

[NormanS]

This one from last Saturday probably deserves a mention, and I'm surprised Danny didn't get there first.
Race 2 at Newcastle Saturday 16th - result Dead Heat - Kinsella and Manaway. Doesn't happen often but happens enough
Bill Buckley (Maitland Trainer and driver of Kinsella) bred both horses. They believe that to be close to a first.
link to result: http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=NR160716&ms=nsw#NRC16071610
The only link I can find to the story is the Newcastle Harness Racing Club facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NclePaceway/?fref=nf

[Messenger]

That would have to be a record Norman.

I reckon 3 horses with 'Kenny' in there name winning at the same meet might also be a first - see Shep tonight

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=SP220716&ms=vic

[Messenger]

Who would have thought a Sunday evening meet at Swan Hill could attract a C17-M8 and a C23-M7 for their C6 or better

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=FD240716&ms=vic#FDC24071601

Trainer Adam Kelly took three up to the Murray and along with Michael Bellman won the first 3 legs of the Quaddie

[Messenger]

I gather the Breeders Crown is not a biggie in WA judging by the size of the fields

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=GP250716

[Messenger]

It could be the Ice Capades at Ballarat tonight. With an hour until R1 and the temp 5° (has been all day) but feels like -2° who knows what it could get down to

[Amlin]

I'd missed this one but the trots are making a comeback to Wayville for the Adelaide Show next month.


There will be one "workout" per night for the 10 nights, over 1300 metres from a moving start.


http://www.harnessbred.com/trots-returning-to-wayville-royal-adelaide-show/

[Messenger]

Off for lunch at Stawell Harness Club - I might watch a few races too ;)

[Messenger]

What is the point of having silk colours in the form guide (and made available to Sky - for their leaders icons at the bottom of the screen) if they are not adhered to
eg R5 Bendigo tonight - the form (and Sky icons) is telling me that Art Prevails driver is basically in orange colours but it is in hot pink

[trish]

Kerryn Manning sets a new world record for female drivershttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr_CIJkUAAAZb97.jpg:large

[trish]

TODAY .....WORKOUT


10 FFA PACE (C6 & faster) Distance: 2400m Weather: Overcast Track: Fast Show StipesPlcBkHorseHcapTimeDriverTrainer119Christen Me (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=HorseDetails&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-HorseId&Arg=163461)fr3-03.3D J Dunn (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=DRIVER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=60310&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)C T Dalgety (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=TRAINER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=8558&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)218Have Faith In Me (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=HorseDetails&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-HorseId&Arg=172964)frN C Rasmussen (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=DRIVER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=71483&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)M Purdon & Ms N C Rasmussen (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=TRAINER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=75700&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)316Smolda (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=HorseDetails&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-HorseId&Arg=167914)frT M Williams (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=DRIVER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=59493&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)M Purdon & Ms N C Rasmussen (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=TRAINER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=75700&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)417Lazarus (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=HorseDetails&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-HorseId&Arg=178188)frMark Purdon (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=DRIVER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=29810&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)M Purdon & Ms N C Rasmussen (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=TRAINER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=75700&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)515Valor Lustre (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=HorseDetails&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-HorseId&Arg=168249)frB N Orange (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=DRIVER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=27775&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)I R Court (http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gas/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd07x?Arg=hrnzg-ptype&Arg=licenceholder&Arg=hrnzg-ltype&Arg=TRAINER&Arg=hrnzg-NameID&Arg=7741&Arg=hrnzg-DoSearch&Arg=FALSE&Arg=hrnzg-ContactInfo&Arg=FALSE)Margins:head, head, neckTimes:Mile Rate: 2-02.8 Last 800m: 55.6 Last 400m: 26.8

[Amlin]

Kevin Thompson has retired after more than 40 years as a caller. The voice of Harold Park.


Listen to a tribute on the Sky Podcast page here...


http://www.skyracing.com.au/index.php?component=ssr&task=channelpodcast&Itemid=188&id=24&pid=65

[Messenger]

The poor participants at Kilmore tonight - the apparent temp has been in the negatives all day

[Amlin]

http://www.cranbourneharness.org/news-media/news/memorable-first-win-for-martin/

First training win for the former farrier of Black Caviar

[trish]

http://www.tramshedsharoldpark.com.au/

[trish]

GOOD READ

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/news/1405/three-chances-defying-the-odds

[Messenger]

GOOD READ

http://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/news/1405/three-chances-defying-the-odds

Thanks Trish, to appreciate Three Chances dam - Delightful Chance, you have to swap back and forward between HRNZ and HRA. I wish the 2 bodies could work together as there is so much overlap nowadays.
Maybe there has been 'a little' improvement for if you look at HRA's progeny list for Delightful Chance you will see no performance details for the well performed Luckisaladytonight NZ (2002) but if you click on her full sister Presidential Affair and look at her progeny you will see the details for her well performed son State Of Affairs NZ (2006). Why I find this strange is that both were NZ only performers - HRA gives us details for one but not the other but like I said maybe a little improvement was made between 2001 and 2006

Overall HRA does a bit better job because it lists all of a mares progeny while on HRNZ the list of progeny for an exported broodmare ceases after she has been exported eg on HRNZ Delightful Chance only appears to have gone to the breeding barn 4 times while HRA lists all her 13 services

[trish]

Yes Kevin you think in this day & age it would be easier than having to go back & forth, its a pain. I like looking at breeding lines & so often you have to go back to NZ.

[trish]

Harness Racing NSW ‏@HRNSW_Harness Sep 21 (https://twitter.com/HRNSW_Harness/status/778801713692094465) There is new husband & wife training partnership in town. First starters for @trittonharness (https://twitter.com/trittonharness) & @panella_lauren (https://twitter.com/panella_lauren) will be at @TPMenangle (https://twitter.com/TPMenangle) on Sat.




I think you will find they did have some runners at Penrith on Thursday.

[Messenger]

When is HRV going to get their new CEO? Anyone know?

[Messenger]

Tonight/Thursday is Metro night at Melton this week - to avoid the Frid gallops and Sat GF

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=MX290916&fromstate=vic

[Messenger]

Favourites took out all 7 races at Yarra Valley today

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=YG101016&ms=vic

[KTQ]

Alright peeps. I need help. I live in Canada and like to watch the replays when my horses race. Sometimes if the time difference is right, I get to listen in (there seems to be no live video feed available) but that's so 20th century. Being that our horses race in WA where there seems to be absolutely no urgency to upload videos, I used to rely on watching them through my family's Tabtouch account which was updated straight away with the videos. They've now blocked the ability to watch replays outside of Australia - even if I use Hola or another IP blocker (so stupid).

There has to be another way to view them without needing to pay for Sky racing or the like. Anyone know an IP blocker that will work with tabtouch? It's so frustrating needing to wait until afternoon on my Monday or even Tuesday to watch my own horses race. I shouldn't have to wait until they're uploaded to harnessweb or harness.org.au to watch. THIS IS SO DUMB!!!!! How is it possible to watch bloody trials in NZ the same day but can't watch my own bloody horse race?!?

[Amlin]

Tried getting a Tabcorp account? They have all replays for trots and with the right software you can download them

[KTQ]

Tried getting a Tabcorp account? They have all replays for trots and with the right software you can download them


I have not. I wonder how difficult it'll be being abroad... do you know how long it takes them to upload the videos? I like tabtouch because it's pretty quick. Otherwise I'd just 'try' to be patient and wait (usually after much swearing and sitting on my hands trying not to flip the bird at my laptop)

[Amlin]

Tabcorp do live stream Sky through their site for account holders plus replays come up pretty quick after I think

[gutwagon]

Try a VPN , I use PIA and can watch the live stream on tabcorp via the Melbourne server. It should work from anywhere in the world. If you just want audio try the sport 927 website. Good luck.

[Messenger]

Just got around to watching In The Gig and I know that Greg Hayes is on leave but it only went for 15mins and they never signed off - maybe there was a stuff up. Anyone else find that?

[KTQ]

Anyone notice that the HRA page now shows all services for a mare? Looked up one of our horse's breeding and was intrigued to see that you can see every stallion owners are putting their mare to, successful or not.

[KTQ]

Also, on the note of trying to get a live stream of the races here in Canada, apparently Canada has banned any live streaming into the country :( :( :( No VPNs or betting accounts will work. It's a sad day

[Messenger]

Anyone notice that the HRA page now shows all services for a mare? Looked up one of our horse's breeding and was intrigued to see that you can see every stallion owners are putting their mare to, successful or not.

I thought that was always the case Katie. Even better than that - register for HarnessWeb (see under SERVICES tab on HRA)
When you do a Horse Search - for a stallion when you hover on the Horse tab you will see Service Summary and from that page you can click on Details and see their book in complete detail

[KTQ]

I thought that was always the case Katie. Even better than that - register for HarnessWeb (see under SERVICES tab on HRA)
When you do a Horse Search - for a stallion when you hover on the Horse tab you will see Service Summary and from that page you can click on Details and see their book in complete detail

Perhaps on harnesswrb, but HRA through harness.org.au hasn't had services. Just the final service if a mare slipped etc I'm pretty sure. I thoroughly check (stalk) our horse's breeding and have only just noticed the detail of all services.

I use my dad's harness web ;) he doesn't know. I tell him off when he hasn't nominated enough heh

[Amlin]

Just got around to watching In The Gig and I know that Greg Hayes is on leave but it only went for 15mins and they never signed off - maybe there was a stuff up. Anyone else find that?

At least we can't blame K Packer ringing in from home telling them to take the show off air!

[Messenger]

Talking of Paper Giants does that mean I can put in a pic of Asher Keddie (I am a bit of a fan)

[Messenger]

The word would seem to be out that Vaughn Lynch's position of General Manager Operations no longer exists

[Messenger]

The Bendigo gallops cup tomorrow is worth $180k to the winner and $300k overall
It only has 9 starters (pays down to 8th)
Only 4/9 have won more than $180k in total
Only 2/9 have won a race in their last 4 starts
Money well spent?

[trish]

http://xwebapp.ustrotting.com/absolutenm/templates/article.aspx?articleid=72153&zoneid=63


With over 6 million in stakes this weekend, one would think this was a reasonable request.

[Adaptor]

The Bendigo Cup field is very ordinary indeed. One of the UK horses has won 3 over the jumps !
Where does the prize money come from for such an ordinary bunch?

[Njcstables]

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Trainer-with-underworld-links-at-centre-of-probe

[Messenger]

http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Trainer-with-underworld-links-at-centre-of-probe

Recycled glass - who would have thought.
Of course The Age, who do not give us a square inch of normal coverage, had this on Pg 3 of today's paper - highlighting all the underworld links

[KTQ]

How do I see a trainer's lifetime stats? Or even this season stats?

[Messenger]

How do I see a trainer's lifetime stats? Or even this season stats?

Thanks for the question Katie (puffs out his chest) - having HRA make these available is one of my few achievements LOL. Click on the year from 2012 onwards

http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/drivers.htm

[Adaptor]

Chasing lifetime driving stats for the Veteran Drivers Trot at Bendigo on November 11 we used
the stats from 1980 on the Harvet System.. obtained by request from HRV racing office are probably accurate.

Before 1980, I used a combination of The Age Trotting Celendar ( from 1948) Year Books and TCB Gazettes.
Its quite taxing...and not necessariily accurate/
We plan to check our nefound records with the veteran drivers: Brian Gath, Graeme Lang, Jim O'Sullivan, Noel Shinn, Dick Lee, Peter Manning, Cliff Powell, Bill Spitiri, Ginger Gleeson, Graeme Whittle. Keith Pratt on the night.
Brian Gath leads the group, and according to accumulated sources up arounf 3,350 wins

[KTQ]

Thanks for the question Katie (puffs out his chest) - having HRA make these available is one of my few achievements LOL. Click on the year from 2012 onwards

http://www.harness.org.au/hra/annual/public/drivers.htm

You're not just a pretty face Kev

Thanks :)

[aussiebreno]

The Bendigo Cup field is very ordinary indeed. One of the UK horses has won 3 over the jumps !
Where does the prize money come from for such an ordinary bunch?

Heartbreak City (2nd place Melbourne Cup) two of last three were over the hurdles.

Just no staying talent in Australia.

The only Aust bred Melb Cup horse was by a sprinter out of a dam by a sprinting sire.

[Messenger]

There is definitely a lack of staying talent in Oz but as far as UK hurdlers go, they are not looked down upon like they are here because it is a very serious season over there contested by quality horses

[Messenger]

Darren Weir had runners in 7 races at Kyneton today. He won 5 including the Cup and finished second and third with his other 2

[aussiebreno]

The Bendigo Cup field is very ordinary indeed. One of the UK horses has won 3 over the jumps !
Where does the prize money come from for such an ordinary bunch?
Winner of Bendigo Cup just won at Flemington by a big big margin.

[Messenger]

and another jumper Breno. Their jumpers are in a different class to ours and our stayers seem to be non existent. Lloyd just won another staying event with the Wattyl Paints horse - not only do it look the same but it also had not had a start since the Wattyl Paints horse last ran!

[Messenger]

Who will be driving Hectorjayjay at the Inter - Gavin or Josh?

[aussiebreno]

Who will be driving Hectorjayjay at the Inter - Gavin or Josh?

G Lang has indicated he will stick with Team Stewart who have given him drive after drive on good horses. I think he will go with Guaranteed. Not even driving Restepo sat night - driving Yankee Rockstar.

Restrep is the interesting one. I thought Gav may have hopped on him and not Yankee Rockstar and even perhaps chose Restrepo over Guaranteed for the final. Chris Alford would be going with Lennytheshark, so who gets the drive there. G Hall will be on Boaz so not sure of the local WA drivers or a Vic - Pitt or Lee might get a good pickup drive?

[trish]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/583137723252219904/Skzj-0RM_bigger.jpg The Daily Telegraph ‏@dailytelegraph (https://twitter.com/dailytelegraph) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/dailytelegraph/status/798280173883969540) NZ Quake, cows paddock!!!!

[Yabbie]

[QUOTE=Messenger;48530]Who will be driving Hectorjayjay at the Inter




Josh will be driving. Gavin chose to stick with the Stewart runners

[Amlin]

Make sure you buy the Herald Sun this Saturday (18th) for the Weekend magazine which contains a special feature on some of our talented female trots drivers

[Messenger]

Make sure you buy the Herald Sun this Saturday (18th) for the Weekend magazine which contains a special feature on some of our talented female trots drivers

Got it Kyle. The best part of it was our industry being front cover of the paper's Weekend supplement (good pic too)
Not many writers can make racing interesting. At present my bed table book is Kristen Manning's Prince Of Penzance - using personal titbits KM spins a good tale

ps Well done to whoever got us this media space

[KTQ]

Just saw this on Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/Racing_Sales_AU/status/799915745312243716/video/1

[KTQ]

Bit of family promotion but on Friday night, my Dad owned a winner in NZ (Idle Bones) and owned/trained a winner at Gloucester Park (Bettor Be Supreme). Thought it was interesting that he had a winner in two countries on one night.

[Messenger]

The rumour that a harness related expose` was going to appear on 4 Corners is either incorrect or not happening anytime soon as tonight's program was the last for the year

[Messenger]

Good to see a new harness journalist covering a special story

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=31582

[Toohard]

Good to see a new harness journalist covering a special story

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=31582


He's in there doing work experience for a couple of weeks Kev. He did another one on Monday http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=31565

[Fan of Jate]

That is a great effort Katie by your Dad. I have owned a few winners in different states on the same night but never in different countries. I wonder if someone has achieved the Australia/NZ/USA triple?

[KTQ]

That is a great effort Katie by your Dad. I have owned a few winners in different states on the same night but never in different countries. I wonder if someone has achieved the Australia/NZ/USA triple?
I don't even know how you'd find out. I wish records were easier to find.

[Adaptor]

He's in there doing work experience for a couple of weeks Kev. He did another one on Monday http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=31565

Well done Luke.
Keep up the good writing !
Your skills as a race-caller (trials at Bendigo especially) and as a commentator on radio with Len and Clinton are testimony to your enthusiasm and knowldge !!

[Toohard]

https://youtu.be/7qk-onvlryI

Hung out, contacted marker pegs :)

[trish]

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WHAT A TOP SHOT.

[Messenger]

A smaller version

[Amlin]

Drivers Aaron Dunn and Kerryn Manning hospitalised today after a bad fall in the fifth at Charlton

[Messenger]

Update

http://www.stawelltimes.com.au/story/4362513/harness-racing-driver-in-hospital/?cs=1284

[KTQ]

Update

http://www.stawelltimes.com.au/story/4362513/harness-racing-driver-in-hospital/?cs=1284
Thanks Kev.
Even better news today :) http://www.stawelltimes.com.au/story/4363396/kerryn-manning-in-the-clear/?cs=1662

[Messenger]

Yes the news continues to be good - if you can call a long period on the sidelines good

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Manning-and-Dunn-on-the-road-to-recovery-after-fall

[Adaptor]

Look closely at the race video of Race 6 from Charlton
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=CH161216&ms=vic#CHC16121602

Note the driver of Milady Denver, who had been one of the Clerks of Course up until that race. and if i'm not mistaken, in his jodhpurs and riding boots, after a quick change.

How did this transition take place?
During the long delay after the race crash in the preceding race Kate Gath and John Caldow seem to have left Charlton to drive at Ballarat that night, leaving 2 horses without drivers.
(The stewards report: As Kate Gath, driver of Manassa Sky, and John Caldow, driver of Mylady Denver, failed to remain on-course to fulfill their respective drives and elected to proceed to the Ballarat night meeting an inquiry was adjourned.)

So Glenn Douglas was recruited, ( Glenn Douglas trainer of Half Crown Gap in this event was allowed permission to drive Manassa Sky due to exceptional circumstances in that their were no other available drivers) and so was one of the Clerks of Course !

The result? Glenn won the race, while the Clerk of Course/driver copped a fine of $100 for "lack of control". That's a bit tough !

[Messenger]

Fantastic post Noel

[Fan of Jate]

Laurel and Hardy stuff--- love it

[KTQ]

Hahaha is the clerk a regular driver?

[trish]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11770584

"New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing cannot afford the complete funding to keep all of New Zealand's racetracks at a level that will avoid costly recent abandonments of meetings."

[trish]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/218518/bc-wants-better-out-of-competition-testing

"Breeders' Cup officials are calling for improved out-of-competition rules and protocols after a positive post-race drug test for the anabolic steroid stanozolol in Masochistic"

[trish]

http://www.thehorse.com/articles/38588/researchers-validate-new-equine-drug-testing-method?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

'researchers in Hong Kong have recently validated a new, easy, “dilute-and-shoot” method that can check for more than 40 of the most difficult-to-detect drugs simultaneously'

[trish]

HRV signs sharing agreement with RSPCA

22 December 2016
by Trots Media
http://www.harness.org.au/news/images/logos/VIC-2.gif

http://www.harness.org.au/news/images/main/11228.jpg

Harness Racing Victoria (HRV) has signed an information sharing agreement with the RSPCA.
HRV Chairman Dale Monteith said they had acknowledged animal welfare must be at the forefront of all decisions and this landmark agreement would strengthen ties of communication between the industry and the RSPCA.
“The sharing of information between RSPCA and HRV investigators ensures open communication between the two organisations, who share a common goal in regards to the important area of animal welfare,” Mr Monteith said.
“We are pleased to be able to announce this agreement today. HRV is as serious about animal welfare as the RSPCA and this decision will be welcomed by the harness industry.”
RSPCA Victoria Chief Executive Officer Dr Liz Walker said the information sharing arrangement would help to ensure animal welfare was a priority within the harness racing industry.
“This agreement will formalise the exchange of information between our respective investigations units,” Dr Walker said.
“We would hope that the sharing of this information about prosecutions and animal cruelty offences will help keep industry participants accountable for the welfare of the animals involved.”

[aussiebreno]

I am confused as to why whips are banned forever but people putting cobalt etc into their horses don't get banned forever?

[trish]

I am confused as to why whips are banned forever but people putting cobalt etc into their horses don't get banned forever?




Exactly. For the life of me I do not know why some positive swabs are not handed straight to the RSPCA & or THE POLICE.


AND IMO ALL SWAB RESULTS SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC.

[Adaptor]

Look closely at the race video of Race 6 from Charlton
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=CH161216&ms=vic#CHC16121602

Note the driver of Milady Denver, who had been one of the Clerks of Course up until that race. and if i'm not mistaken, in his jodhpurs and riding boots, after a quick change.

How did this transition take place?
During the long delay after the race crash in the preceding race Kate Gath and John Caldow seem to have left Charlton to drive at Ballarat that night, leaving 2 horses without drivers.
(The stewards report: As Kate Gath, driver of Manassa Sky, and John Caldow, driver of Mylady Denver, failed to remain on-course to fulfill their respective drives and elected to proceed to the Ballarat night meeting an inquiry was adjourned.)

So Glenn Douglas was recruited, ( Glenn Douglas trainer of Half Crown Gap in this event was allowed permission to drive Manassa Sky due to exceptional circumstances in that their were no other available drivers) and so was one of the Clerks of Course !

The result? Glenn won the race, while the Clerk of Course/driver copped a fine of $100 for "lack of control". That's a bit tough !

Looks like the stewards had a change of mind as in the steward's reports now, the driver of Milady Denver ( the Clerk of Course) received a caution for lack of control
That's better !

[Amlin]

http://mckentracing.com.au/stable/news/id/21722/lead-pony-wins

[Messenger]

Great story Kyle

Certainly well bred
He is a Bettors and was bred by our Greg Fusinato (Waikiki)
The gelding's 2nd dam is a half sister to breeding gem Larrakeyah Lady, his 3rd dam being Hot Foot

http://classicfamilies.net/CF/Descendants.aspx?HorseID=10008648

[Amlin]

Vale Gordon Lockman

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=31971

Gordon was on the tram to the Maribyrnong Speedway one night. The car races were rained out and the tram stopped outside the Showgrounds. Gordon wandered into the trots and never looked back.

A colourful character lost.

[KTQ]

I am still failing to understand why drivers bounce about and lay back in the cart when trying to get their horse over the line? Imagine pulling a wheel barrow and having the pile of manure bouncing about and trying to walk faster and straighter.

I'm willing to change my mind if someone can explain the benefits (Tried it in fast work on our racing ones after watching the US drivers on those stallion videos they used to mail breeders.. didn't work. Pretty sure the horse laughed its ass off to its mates about the drongo in the cart when it got back to the stables)

Can we start a movement to de-cool it and make drivers who do it laughing stocks?

[trish]

I am still failing to understand why drivers bounce about and lay back in the cart when trying to get their horse over the line? Imagine pulling a wheel barrow and having the pile of manure bouncing about and trying to walk faster and straighter.

I'm willing to change my mind if someone can explain the benefits (Tried it in fast work on our racing ones after watching the US drivers on those stallion videos they used to mail breeders.. didn't work. Pretty sure the horse laughed its ass off to its mates about the drongo in the cart when it got back to the stables)

Can we start a movement to de-cool it and make drivers who do it laughing stocks?






relating to sulkies
170. (1) A driver shall, throughout the course of a race, drive with both feet in the rests of the sulky, unless he is activating approved gear. (effective 01.11.2016)



(2) A driver shall not drive in a race with part of the driver’s body protruding beyond the sulky.


(3) A driver who fails to comply with any provision of this rule is guilty of an offence.

[trish]

I think they are fined around $200 for this in NSW.

[KTQ]

I wonder if it's the same across all states.

[trish]

There are drivers over here Katie that don't seem to care how much they get fined. They still lean back. Sometimes they get fined , sometimes they don't . I have always said if you want to drive like the Yanks go to America. BYE BYE.

[strong persuader]

There are drivers over here Katie that don't seem to care how much they get fined. They still lean back. Sometimes they get fined , sometimes they don't . I have always said if you want to drive like the Yanks go to America. BYE BYE.

Here in NSW, and I imagine it would be Aus wide, the drivers are permitted to lean back some degree but not too far! Cannot find the article outlining the limits for clarity, perhaps someone else may have a better memory than I :)

[Danno]

I think you will see a fair bit of leaning back at Menangle tomorrow, noticed Andy McCarthy id down to drive a few, must be home from the states for a holiday, pretty sure if you don't lean back over there you don't get a drive! personally I think its unsafe due to limiting your vision more than anything else, there is no doubt it will reduce air drag, however, how much effect that has I don't know, I've heard the argument that leaning back reduces the weight on the horse, but it doesn't, it simply transfers that weight onto the wheels which in turn negates the "benefit".


Bouncing around in the cart is for mugs I reckon, the wheelbarrow analogy Katie used is very similar to my own "water in the wheelbarrow sloshing around" explanation........cannot POSSIBLY help the horse and most likely will hinder it.

[KTQ]

I signed up for a USTA account so I could see how a few WA horses that were sold to the states were doing but it says I have to pay for any info. :( does anyone have a site I can use to check their racing history in the states?

[Messenger]

I have a USTA account too Katie but rarely use it because of the $'s

[gutwagon]

Danno, I agree with most of your comments but lifting the weight off the horses back and transferring it to the wheels will allow the horse to got faster. It's much easier to pull a wheelbarrow with 100kg in it than carry the whole lot on your back.
Another thing with the leaning back is that it forces the horse behind to stay further back thus giving the one in front an advantage when the sprint goes on. So it should be stopped.

[trish]

I signed up for a USTA account so I could see how a few WA horses that were sold to the states were doing but it says I have to pay for any info. :( does anyone have a site I can use to check their racing history in the states?






Hi Katie.
Go to harness racing site. click on united states in hra.
go to racing (entries/results)
, a screen will come up. put in horses name & press go.




Week at a Glance Search Advanced Search Race Programs Track Statistics U.S. ENTRIES AND RESULTSupdated Mon 1/2 18:32 PMThis web site is intended for personal, non-commercial use only. Week at a Glance Click on a day of the week to view entries & results for all



U.S. ENTRIES AND RESULT
By Horse (all tracks) GO (http://javascript<b></b>:__doPostBack('ctl00$ctl00$cphContentArea$cphConte ntArea$lnkbtnsearch_horse_name',''))

[KTQ]

Hi Katie.
Go to harness racing site. click on united states in hra.
go to racing (entries/results)
, a screen will come up. put in horses name & press go.




Week at a Glance Search Advanced Search Race Programs Track Statistics U.S. ENTRIES AND RESULTSupdated Mon 1/2 18:32 PMThis web site is intended for personal, non-commercial use only. Week at a Glance Click on a day of the week to view entries & results for all



U.S. ENTRIES AND RESULT
By Horse (all tracks) GO (http://javascript<b></b>:__doPostBack('ctl00$ctl00$cphContentArea$cphConte ntArea$lnkbtnsearch_horse_name',''))


Thank you Trish. I tried it but it only gives recent results I believe. I wanted the overall results for a couple horses but it's OK. Ill just need to regularly search :)

Is North American racing hard? Some topline horses that raced one of ours are over there (Machtu and Classic American) and they won a couple but don't have as much success as here. It's also interesting to see how many NZ horses are over there. Just saw that Classic American raced Wyndberg Courage, Stateman and Our Jerry Lee. 4 Kiwis in one race

[trish]

WOW... did you sell this horse Paul. Great for the mare.








results - Race 2 NSWHRC at TABCORP PK MENANGLE 3 January 2017 http://www.harness.org.au/images/Camera.png (http://www.harness.org.au/photofinish/PC030117/PCC03011704.jpg) http://www.harness.org.au/images/video-trotstv-2.gif (http://www.trotstv.com.au/?mc=PC030117&rn=2)
[/URL]AINSWORTH TECHNOLOGIES PACE Race code: PCC03011704 Stakes: $8,480 Gait: PACERS Class: C0 Only. 3YO and older 1,609 METRES MOBILE STARTPl HorsePrize-
money Row &
BrTAB
# Trainer Driver
( C = Concession )Mgn
(m)Starting
oddsStewards'
Comments

[URL="http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-comments-explain.cfm?stateName=NSW"]Expln (http://www.trotstv.com.au/?mc=PC030117&rn=2)1ANYTHING FOR LOVE (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=781971) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr22S P Tritton, L R TrittonL R Tritton $ 9.80 GS L SWAB BAY GELDING 4 by ROCK N ROLL HEAVEN USA (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm) out of THE PERFECT MONA (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm)
Owner(s): M P Sheahan, J A Sheahan, D W Sheahan, R M Sheahan, M Sheahan, D M Barber
Breeder(s): P I (Paul) Humphreys 2ASTRIDE (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=792461) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr88J P McCarthyL A McCarthy 14.80 $ 1.40 fav 3WE WF 3MISTER REGAL MAJOR NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=792403) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr77T G ButtD R Hancock 21.10 $ 10.20 RAS 4HE CAN FLY NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=799166) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr55J J AlchinJ J Alchin 23.70 $ 7.50 5THE LIFE OF BRIAN NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=800026) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr11J A Rando, M J RandoD R Morris 40.30 $ 67.30 6DASHING HANNAH (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=790308) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr66K A TurnerR P Morris 40.30 $ 19.70 RAS 7ALLSTAR SEA (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=785061) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr44D M HewittD M Hewitt 40.70 $ 19.40 8CYCLONE CHARLIE NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=791939) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr33D M HewittT P McCarthy 41.60 $ 43.40 HU ScratchingsAll startedTrack Rating: GOODGross Time: 1:51:4Mile Rate: 1:51:4First Quarter: 27.5Second Quarter: 29.3Third Quarter: 27.0Fourth Quarter: 27.6Margins: 14.8m x 6.3m

[Toohard]

WOW... did you sell this horse Paul. Great for the mare.








results - Race 2 NSWHRC at TABCORP PK MENANGLE 3 January 2017 http://www.harness.org.au/images/Camera.png (http://www.harness.org.au/photofinish/PC030117/PCC03011704.jpg) http://www.harness.org.au/images/video-trotstv-2.gif (http://www.trotstv.com.au/?mc=PC030117&rn=2)
[/URL]AINSWORTH TECHNOLOGIES PACE Race code: PCC03011704 Stakes: $8,480 Gait: PACERS Class: C0 Only. 3YO and older 1,609 METRES MOBILE STARTPl HorsePrize-
money Row &
BrTAB
# Trainer Driver
( C = Concession )Mgn
(m)Starting
oddsStewards'
Comments

[URL="http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-comments-explain.cfm?stateName=NSW"]Expln (http://www.trotstv.com.au/?mc=PC030117&rn=2)1ANYTHING FOR LOVE (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=781971) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr22S P Tritton, L R TrittonL R Tritton $ 9.80 GS L SWAB BAY GELDING 4 by ROCK N ROLL HEAVEN USA (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm) out of THE PERFECT MONA (http://www.harness.org.au/ausbreed/reports/hraonline.htm)
Owner(s): M P Sheahan, J A Sheahan, D W Sheahan, R M Sheahan, M Sheahan, D M Barber
Breeder(s): P I (Paul) Humphreys 2ASTRIDE (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=792461) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr88J P McCarthyL A McCarthy 14.80 $ 1.40 fav 3WE WF 3MISTER REGAL MAJOR NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=792403) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr77T G ButtD R Hancock 21.10 $ 10.20 RAS 4HE CAN FLY NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=799166) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr55J J AlchinJ J Alchin 23.70 $ 7.50 5THE LIFE OF BRIAN NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=800026) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr11J A Rando, M J RandoD R Morris 40.30 $ 67.30 6DASHING HANNAH (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=790308) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr66K A TurnerR P Morris 40.30 $ 19.70 RAS 7ALLSTAR SEA (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=785061) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr44D M HewittD M Hewitt 40.70 $ 19.40 8CYCLONE CHARLIE NZ (http://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=791939) http://www.harness.org.au/images/bb_icon.gif (http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PC030117&ms=nsw#void) Fr33D M HewittT P McCarthy 41.60 $ 43.40 HU ScratchingsAll startedTrack Rating: GOODGross Time: 1:51:4Mile Rate: 1:51:4First Quarter: 27.5Second Quarter: 29.3Third Quarter: 27.0Fourth Quarter: 27.6Margins: 14.8m x 6.3m

Yep thats him. Went super!! Still got the mares other offspring and she in foal to Somebeach.

[Messenger]

yep WOW
This was the C0 of the day but the time blitzed all the higher grades
Hope you got some of the $9.80 (The first of a treble for the stable)

[Fan of Jate]

Left 2nd and 3rd and the rest of the field in its wake, absolutely panced the favourite. Is this horse headed for the big time or what?

[Messenger]

I see Tony Xihira is the trainer for Chilli Palmer for the $70k Horsham Cup on Sunday
With Tony only having had 1 win for the season, I am guessing Adam Kelly (13 wins) sacked Chilli not visa versa

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=HS080117&fromstate=vic#7

[KTQ]

I see Tony Xihira is the trainer for Chilli Palmer for the $70k Horsham Cup on Sunday
With Tony only having had 1 win for the season, I am guessing Adam Kelly (13 wins) sacked Chilli not visa versa

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=HS080117&fromstate=vic#7
hmmmm... He won 4 starts ago, was held up last start and doing fast times. If the owners want, they can ship Chilli over to my Dad in the West - we don't really have the space in the stables but he can have my old room.

[KTQ]

There's this really good horse in the West called Rub Of The Green. Fantastic front runner who is quite unbeatable if it draws well - which is great for it, because in its last 10 starts, it's drawn 2, 1, 8, 1, 9, 1, 9, 2, 4, 5. Four Leaf Clover up its butt or what!
This contrasts with our horse Three Blind Mice which has drawn 12, 9, 10, 9, 10, 5, 4, 2, 10, 6, 7, 7, 8 in its past 13. This is for purely RBD Mobile races, and excludes any Preferential barrier draw races based on C or M class, $won etc as that would sway the numbers. Poor Mouse - it makes me laugh/pout/cringe how unlucky he is. :(

I wonder if there is a record of the luckiest and unluckiest horses random-barrier-draw-wise in Aus. Our ones in NZ draw terribly an uncanny amount and I'm getting very suspicious of it over there that it's not as 'random' as they make out... I might make a chart.

[Messenger]

We have talked about it before on here but there really should be a way of evening out the 'randomness' eg working on field average being 10 or 12 you say that over time numerically the average draw should be 5 or 6 so lets say there is a computer program that adds up the last 5 or so starts for a horse and calculates what draw a horse requires to bring its average closer to 5/6

[codywinnell]

We have talked about it before on here but there really should be a way of evening out the 'randomness' eg working on field average being 10 or 12 you say that over time numerically the average draw should be 5 or 6 so lets say there is a computer program that adds up the last 5 or so starts for a horse and calculates what draw a horse requires to bring its average closer to 5/6


Not in my opinion, Kev. Unless every single horse in those RBD races keep racing against one another in all "5 or so races" and share it around completely evenly, that system wouldn't work. Random means random. So good luck/bad luck. It's random.

I remember two trainers used to tell me they drew poorly all the time in RBD races. I looked up the stats and it turns out both of them actually had well above average good barrier draws in RBD races. They were shocked, but the stats were hard facts. Stats don't lie.

Bad luck in races or at the barrier draws is annoying for those on the wrong end of it, but that's racing IMO. Always has been.

[aussiebreno]

So you can have a horse drawing 4, 5, 7, 8 to even it out but when you drew 4 and 5 you had speedsters drawn to your inside and only ended up one out and four back anyway. Just keep it random. Not too mention 6 at Menangle is a bit different to 6 at Penrith.

[Messenger]

I am not suggesting anything is likely to be the perfect system but I think it might share the draws around

Take R3 at Geelong tonight
and lets pretend that the previous starts numbers next to each horses name
are actually their previous barrier draws (I am doing this so that I can be lazy and just put up this snip)

We will total the last 4 supposed barrier draws for each runner

So their barriers have been and the totals are
1 - 4,8,6,9 = 27
2 - 5,1,8,7 = 21
3 - 5,3,3,3 = 14
4 - 1,4,3,5 = 13
5 - 9,4,10,6 = 29
6 - 9,5,1,10 =25
7 - 9,7,4,5 = 25
8 - 4,4,2,2 = 10
9 - 8,6,4,6 = 24
10 - 2,2,4,6 =14

So worst total under this system should have got barrier 1 down to lowest total copping barrier 10 - see new Red numbers on Snip
The biggest problem I see it having is that the longer it is in place, the more horses will have pretty much the same totals (and splitting according to their last barrier will be used)

[Messenger]

Yep thats him. Went super!! Still got the mares other offspring and she in foal to Somebeach.

Next start on Tuesday does not look like the smartest placement - why take on C4's and C5's now

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=PC100117&s=ANYTHING%2520FOR%2520LOVE&f=1#7

[aussiebreno]

I am not suggesting anything is likely to be the perfect system but I think it might share the draws around

Take R3 at Geelong tonight
and lets pretend that the previous starts numbers next to each horses name
are actually their previous barrier draws (I am doing this so that I can be lazy and just put up this snip)

We will total the last 4 supposed barrier draws for each runner

So their barriers have been and the totals are
1 - 4,8,6,9 = 27
2 - 5,1,8,7 = 21
3 - 5,3,3,3 = 14
4 - 1,4,3,5 = 13
5 - 9,4,10,6 = 29
6 - 9,5,1,10 =25
7 - 9,7,4,5 = 25
8 - 4,4,2,2 = 10
9 - 8,6,4,6 = 24
10 - 2,2,4,6 =14

So worst total under this system should have got barrier 1 down to lowest total copping barrier 10 - see new Red numbers on Snip
The biggest problem I see it having is that the longer it is in place, the more horses will have pretty much the same totals (and splitting according to their last barrier will be used)
You are also assuming 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 is the order of the best draws. SR2 and even SR1 is better than FR6 and FR7 at many tracks and also depending on your horses gate speed.

In those horses last four I would have no doubt some of them were PBD races. If you go in a PBD and draw 1 why be disadvantaged next start in a RBD under an evening up system.


Next start on Tuesday does not look like the smartest placement - why take on C4's and C5's now

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=PC100117&s=ANYTHING%2520FOR%2520LOVE&f=1#7
So he draws close to the inside and can just roll to front and run another sub 1.53. The trainers of the higher assessed horses would be ruing their bad luck with the placement of their horses that they give away the barrier draw to a horse they won't get near.

[Messenger]

You are also assuming 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 is the order of the best draws. SR2 and even SR1 is better than FR6 and FR7 at many tracks and also depending on your horses gate speed.

In those horses last four I would have no doubt some of them were PBD races. If you go in a PBD and draw 1 why be disadvantaged next start in a RBD under an evening up system.

I am not assuming that at all, I am just suggesting a system that 'might' mean every horse gets the spread of possible barrier numbers. PLEASE Brendan, who do you think you are talking to - a Newb? If you wanted the system to be preferential you would allocate the draws 1,2,3,9,10, or whatever. I am just playing with numbers here - if such a program was developed it would be easy to have it exclude PBD's


So he draws close to the inside and can just roll to front and run another sub 1.53. The trainers of the higher assessed horses would be ruing their bad luck with the placement of their horses that they give away the barrier draw to a horse they won't get near.

I am not saying he won't blitz them again - I am just saying I would prefer to seem him in a C1 (don't follow NSW so I do not know if your system makes it hard for you to get what you want)

[aussiebreno]

I am not saying he won't blitz them again - I am just saying I would prefer to seem him in a C1 (don't follow NSW so I do not know if your system makes it hard for you to get what you want)
Just leave it random.
C1/C3 PBD C. As a C1 they knew he would draw close to the inside against horses he is better than. Good placement.

[Messenger]

Just leave it random.
C1/C3 PBD C. As a C1 they knew he would draw close to the inside against horses he is better than. Good placement.
Good point

[aussiebreno]

Good point
Thats if it was the original program. Could have just been a race put together from noms received.

[Messenger]

I wondered about that - NSW : the state where connections have little control

[Amlin]

Two prominent Victorian horsemen have passed away in recent days - Ken Wills and Les Turner, both names will be fondly remembered by many.

[trish]

Next start on Tuesday does not look like the smartest placement - why take on C4's and C5's now

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=PC100117&s=ANYTHING%2520FOR%2520LOVE&f=1#7






A bit at the bottom of the Angel out article.


But Tritton has another rising star aimed at the $200,000 Group 1 in Anything For Love.
The four-year-old had his first start for the stable at Menangle last week and won rating a career best 1:51.4.
“He is a nice horse and works as good as any of my horses,” Tritton said.
“He is a bit on the back foot compared to some of the other horses just having his first start back the other day but he will be ready for the Chariots.”
Anything For Love is racing at Menangle on Tuesday.

[Messenger]

Our Waikiki Beach resumes at Menangle on Saturday

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=PC140117&s=MATCH%2520POINT%2520NZ&f=1#4

[Mighty Atom]

I cannot believe Our Jericho and The Bucket List got a start in the WA Pacing Cup ahead of Flaming Flutter his last start second was huge.

[aussiebreno]

I cannot believe Our Jericho and The Bucket List got a start in the WA Pacing Cup ahead of Flaming Flutter his last start second was huge.
So if he shouldn't be in the field what odds are you offering for The Bucket List?

[Mighty Atom]

So if he shouldn't be in the field what odds are you offering for The Bucket List?

On form he would have to be 33 to 50/1 but probably will start at 25/1. Flaming Flutter from barrier 2 on last run would be 15/1.

[aussiebreno]

On form he would have to be 33 to 50/1 but probably will start at 25/1. Flaming Flutter from barrier 2 on last run would be 15/1.

Bucket List beaten 12m Interdom and a length by Hectorjayjay in Heat. Have a look at the replays of his also rans and see him get stuck behind slow horses due to bad draws - last week is a prime example. Won't happen from gate 2 this week. The Bucket List is $9 in early markets ... love to see this 25/1

[Fan of Jate]

Rod, flaming flutter has not won a race for a year ...lo and behold it was the SA pacing cup. Bucket list not only got into the race, he drew 2 but he wont run a zac in this race even though BB and the Bull have drawn wide. He has never beaten any of the horses in this field and it is a cop out that he gets stuck behind slow horses.

[Mighty Atom]

Rod, flaming flutter has not won a race for a year ...lo and behold it was the SA pacing cup. Bucket list not only got into the race, he drew 2 but he wont run a zac in this race even though BB and the Bull have drawn wide. He has never beaten any of the horses in this field and it is a cop out that he gets stuck behind slow horses.

Hi Pat,
Absolutely agree with you but FF did deserve a start ahead of BL and even more so Our Jericho.

[Messenger]

'Aiken's Stars Return'

http://www.harnesslink.com/Australia/Aiken-s-stars-return

but the pic looks like John Justice on Lenny to me

(Adam Hamilton seems to be doing more Harness writing again)

[Messenger]

Amanda T and Craig D not deterred by any clouds hanging over their heads - win the first 2 races at Melton tonight

[KTQ]

here is a lovely article: http://harnessnews.com.au/2017/01/big-jims-legacy-lives-on/

[Toohard]

here is a lovely article: http://harnessnews.com.au/2017/01/big-jims-legacy-lives-on/

Brilliant

[hugdon]

Thanks Katie Have always liked him just for his name. There are a couple of BJ's at the Perth Sale however Canada is a long way to commute

[Messenger]

I just noticed that in last night's 2yo at Geelong, Peter Manning trained 5 out of the 6 starters
Did he win it?

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GE190117&ms=vic#GEC19011706

[KTQ]

Mach Three died :( :( :(

[hugdon]

A real pity, thankfully he left some pretty good replacements. His sons I imagine will be in greater demand ? good for the breeding industry

[Messenger]

Above average money on offer at Boort today

https://www.harness.org.au/fields.cfm?mc=BT270117&fromstate=vic

[teecee]

Whilst Lazarus continues on his winning way it may be worth noting the performace of the horse who got closest to beating him as a 3yo last season on any number of times they met. When you compare the performance of Lazarus on a roomy and fast 1200 metres Addington in the NZ Cup running a world record 3:53.1 for 3200metres off the front in a stand start. Mile rate 1:57.2, 800 in 55.3 and 400 27.1 against the cream of the crop.

Yesterday on the egg shaped 1000metres track at Invercargill, the aforementioned horse Classie Brigade ran 3200 metres off 30 metre handicap 3:53.5, mile rate 1:57.4, 800 in 55.3, 400 in 26.5 Naturally a track and race all comers record

When the cat's away.........

[harnessyourenthusiasm]

Hughie Green, wow, well that was an effort in defeat on Friday night.....


All the work 3 wide/breeze and beaten by talented Three Ways who had the cold sit on them. wins because Heavenly Trend wasnt going well enough to hold the back of Hughie to keep Three Ways in. Great performance.


First Quarter: 30.7
Second Quarter: 27.6 Third Quarter: 29.0 Fourth Quarter: 28.5 Mile Rate: 1:54:5

[Messenger]

I am glad the price of standardbred horses is realistic - watching the Karaka thoro sale on racing.com today made me think the gallops industry verges on obscene

[Fan of Jate]

There would be quite a few hoping that the upcoming APG sales can reach those lofty figures Kev, maybe someone can get in a bidding duel with the Purdon crew, just maybe.

[KTQ]

Watch the yellow colours horse behind the green colours horse as he moves out from the rail around horses (I'm Entitled) in this race from the 2:30 to 2:40 mark. Is that legal? Nothing noted in Stewards Report but seemed like the driver barged the outside horse out of the way.
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PA300117&ms=wa

[Messenger]

Watch the yellow colours horse behind the green colours horse as he moves out from the rail around horses (I'm Entitled) in this race from the 2:30 to 2:40 mark. Is that legal? Nothing noted in Stewards Report but seemed like the driver barged the outside horse out of the way.
http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=PA300117&ms=wa

Is that your push out rule?

[Fan of Jate]

Just a gentle nudge, the race caller even said that the horse was unlucky !!!!! It would never have beaten the eventual winner.

[KTQ]

Nudging looks a bit dangerous to me :/ haha

[Messenger]

Nudging looks a bit dangerous to me :/ haha

I agree Katie, there is always a chance of a mishap

[KTQ]

681

What are these Tweets about?

[teecee]

681

What are these Tweets about?
Only Info I can find. Note the date of the media release.

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/latest-news/pdf/09-12-2016-suspended-chief-steward-of-harness-racing.pdf

[Fan of Jate]

Auckland Reactor got his first Australian winner tonight at Kilmore. I don't think he has got a winner in NZ yet

[Messenger]

Auckland Reactor got his first Australian winner tonight at Kilmore. I don't think he has got a winner in NZ yet

Gotta React had everything go its way Pat and the death horse was a much better run in a fairly slow race (compared to what we tend to see nowadays)

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=KI060217&ms=vic#KIC06021704

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http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=YG090217&ms=vic#YGC09021705

This race created some controversy at YV (on and off the track apparently)
If you watch it you will see that it was a little different

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what the..

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The Gods intervened :D
The gallops were supposed to be at Ararat today
AND the trots tonight
RIDICULOUS
however Ararat gallop's irrigation pump packed it in early in the week so the meet was moved to Stawell

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Auckland Reactor had a couple of trial winners at Bunbury overnight.

[Gtrain]

What is ARs pass mark for this season? What will it take for him to get another good book? One star? Two? How many individual winners is a good result from just over 100 live foals in Aus? Breeders are quick to jump ship...

[trish]

http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/4485198/allamby-family-farewell-our-sir-vancelot-photos-videos/


They were the good old days.

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I don't think AR sold all that well at the Karaka sales- everyone is saving their money for the big three sires. But if one of his progeny can win a classic race or 2 similar to what happened with Roll with Joe then he may get a good book again.

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Saxon Warrior was declared a non-runner in the listed Tontine final at Hamilton today. You have to wonder whether the starters are under pressure to get them away on time (with races breathing down your neck) as it was clear that Christmas Jolt galloping in the score up cost SW a good length and any possibility of settling anything but last

http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=HM230217&ms=vic#HMC23021701

[trish]

I don't think AR sold all that well at the Karaka sales- everyone is saving their money for the big three sires. But if one of his progeny can win a classic race or 2 similar to what happened with Roll with Joe then he may get a good book again.




I think you are correct in what you are saying about the big three, so what happens to those folk that breed that can not afford those sires???

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CONGRATULATIONS KEVIN FOR 100 pages for ODDS AND ENDS.

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The thread has got a bit big so I might close it and start V2